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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    I think the people suggesting to tone it down on the liquor to keep yourself safe is based in reality and common sense. These comments are more towards taking precaution versus attributing blame.

    Men typically comprise the bulk of the scum of humanity (I say this as a man). With 50% of all women 'reporting' rape of some sort at some point in their life... it's obvious a woman getting hammered around a pack of men is tantamount to walking in dangerous neighbourhoods at night while flashing a massive wad of bills.

    You don't deserve to be raped just as one doesn't deserve to be robbed. But reality is reality: take precautions. There are thieves... and there are scumbag rapists.

    In her case, as she admitted, she was a little foolish for not taking precautions to protect herself from the inevitable and lurking predators.

    This is not the same thing as saying she is at fault. The fault lies entirely with the fast swimmer. This is saying she placed herself in a very vulnerable position.

    * My daughter and her friends have been counselled by me and others to look out for each other- go to the bathroom together... leave together... things like this- and to drink nothing that hasn't been opened by themselves. She's been counselled this way because I know there are scumbags out there that the naked eye cannot distinguish.

    it is all in how it is presented, 30. there are many good comments regarding keeping yourself safe, but there are other comments that are, well......
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    I was 19. I briefly dated a girl who was 17. we were at a party. things got hot and heavy. she told me to hold off, she wasn't ready. I said "cool, do you want to go back out to the party?". she looked at me like I was an alien. I asked her what was wrong. She said she had never been with a guy who treated her with respect like that. I thought that was so incredibly sad. a few months later she was back to dating assholes, and a few years later she was dead under circumstances her family won't talk about. always made me sad.
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  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I was 19. I briefly dated a girl who was 17. we were at a party. things got hot and heavy. she told me to hold off, she wasn't ready. I said "cool, do you want to go back out to the party?". she looked at me like I was an alien. I asked her what was wrong. She said she had never been with a guy who treated her with respect like that. I thought that was so incredibly sad. a few months later she was back to dating assholes, and a few years later she was dead under circumstances her family won't talk about. always made me sad.

    I had a similar experience HFD. A girl I had brought to one of my fraternity parties got way to drunk. She passed out on our couch. Since I invited her, I was responsible for her (that was what my fraternity brothers mentality.) I was fine with that. She threw up over herself. Since she passed out on a couch we had on the back porch, I was able to get the garden hose and clean her off. A girlfriend of a frat brother had a shirt that we changed her into.

    When she woke up the next morning, needless to say, she was freaked out. I explained to her what happened and assured her that nobody had took advantage of her. She cried for 30 minutes thinking what could have happened. She ended up being a regular at our parties after that. She felt safe with us.
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,871
    Degeneratefk said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I was 19. I briefly dated a girl who was 17. we were at a party. things got hot and heavy. she told me to hold off, she wasn't ready. I said "cool, do you want to go back out to the party?". she looked at me like I was an alien. I asked her what was wrong. She said she had never been with a guy who treated her with respect like that. I thought that was so incredibly sad. a few months later she was back to dating assholes, and a few years later she was dead under circumstances her family won't talk about. always made me sad.

    I had a similar experience HFD. A girl I had brought to one of my fraternity parties got way to drunk. She passed out on our couch. Since I invited her, I was responsible for her (that was what my fraternity brothers mentality.) I was fine with that. She threw up over herself. Since she passed out on a couch we had on the back porch, I was able to get the garden hose and clean her off. A girlfriend of a frat brother had a shirt that we changed her into.

    When she woke up the next morning, needless to say, she was freaked out. I explained to her what happened and assured her that nobody had took advantage of her. She cried for 30 minutes thinking what could have happened. She ended up being a regular at our parties after that. She felt safe with us.
    Had a number of similar experiences at our Fraternity House. Beyond being decent human beings, we knew that if women felt unsafe at our house that we would not have women coming around and everyone looked out for everyone else. Bent over backward to make sure that any crazy shit that happened always saw another woman part of the "helping" process...to clean anyone who was getting sick up, or to get her home, etc.
    18-22 year old people over-indulge. This is known. Normal 18-22 year old people take care of one another. This is known as well.
    Sadly, there are lots of fucked up people out there. Like this dick-hole Brock.
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    edited June 2016
    This is from Democracy Now....
    http://www.democracynow.org/2016/6/7/why_is_black_lives_matter_activist
    In California, Black Lives Matter activist Jasmine Richards faces up to four years in prison at her sentencing today after she was convicted of a rarely used statute in California law known up until recently as "felony lynching." Police accused her of trying to de-arrest someone during a peace march in Pasadena last August. The arrest and jailing of a young black woman activist on charges of felony lynching has sparked a firestorm of protest, with supporters vowing to pack the court today. Meanwhile, in another California case, a judge sentenced white former Stanford University swimmer Brock Allen Turner to six months in jail after he was convicted of three felony counts of sexual assault. We get reaction from California Senate President Pro-Tem Kevin de León and Los Angeles City Councilmember Gil Cedillo. "You started your show talking about someone from Stanford who rapes a woman and gets six months, and then you’ve got a woman who is part of the Black Lives [Matter] movement who is trying to bring forth the challenges that face us in America around racism and racial discrimination, and she’s participating, trying to exercise her First Amendment rights, ... and she’s going to be given four years?" Cedillo says, somethings wrong with this picture.
    Yeah something IS certainly wrong with this picture.

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    are we all clear here? ... :)
  • Enkidu
    Enkidu So Cal Posts: 2,996
    Someone posted this today and I thought it was lovely. Sometimes it's hard to remember there are more good people in the world than not.

    http://johnpavlovitz.com/2016/06/06/to-brock-turners-father-from-another-father/
  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    Can't open the link from computer at work; I'll check it tonight.

    Just read that the judge can't comment on his sentencing or anything about the case because Turner is appealing his sentence. :tired_face::tired_face:

    Dude, you got off really light. Can't believe you want to push your luck.
    "The stars are all connected to the brain."
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    Who Princess said:

    Can't open the link from computer at work; I'll check it tonight.

    Just read that the judge can't comment on his sentencing or anything about the case because Turner is appealing his sentence. :tired_face::tired_face:

    Dude, you got off really light. Can't believe you want to push your luck.

    can it backfire on him and get a harsher sentence?
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    edited June 2016
    Who Princess said:

    Can't open the link from computer at work; I'll check it tonight.

    Just read that the judge can't comment on his sentencing or anything about the case because Turner is appealing his sentence. :tired_face::tired_face:

    Dude, you got off really light. Can't believe you want to push your luck.

    Wow he thinks he's really living in a self perceived privileged world. I wonder if he's still enrolled at Stanford? Unbelievable!

    Let me add he's so privileged that the 16 month trial which ended in March his mug shot was never released by news media. You could google him but the pictures are of him smiling and of him swimming.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/after-months-requests-mugshots-stanford-rapist-brock-turner-finally-emerge-n586936

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    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,517
    edited June 2016
    g under p said:

    Who Princess said:

    Can't open the link from computer at work; I'll check it tonight.

    Just read that the judge can't comment on his sentencing or anything about the case because Turner is appealing his sentence. :tired_face::tired_face:

    Dude, you got off really light. Can't believe you want to push your luck.

    Wow he thinks he's really living in a self perceived privileged world. I wonder if he's still enrolled at Stanford? Unbelievable!

    Peace

    Nope
    Been expelled and banned from campus permanently.
    Or so they say
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    Bentleyspop said:

    g under p said:

    Who Princess said:

    Can't open the link from computer at work; I'll check it tonight.

    Just read that the judge can't comment on his sentencing or anything about the case because Turner is appealing his sentence. :tired_face::tired_face:

    Dude, you got off really light. Can't believe you want to push your luck.

    Wow he thinks he's really living in a self perceived privileged world. I wonder if he's still enrolled at Stanford? Unbelievable!

    Peace

    Nope
    Been expelled and banned from campus permanently.
    Or so they say
    GOOD. The father was probably pissed about that expulsion. This story just sickens me to no end.

    Peace

    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Who Princess said:

    Can't open the link from computer at work; I'll check it tonight.

    Just read that the judge can't comment on his sentencing or anything about the case because Turner is appealing his sentence. :tired_face::tired_face:

    Dude, you got off really light. Can't believe you want to push your luck.

    can it backfire on him and get a harsher sentence?
    I'm no lawyer but I believe it can.
    "The stars are all connected to the brain."
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    dude's also ruining the lives of his family and friends ... his childhood friend is a drummer in a band and they've had a lot of their shows cancelled because she wrote a letter of support for the dude ...
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Where's the mother in all this? I don't recall reading anything about her (if she's still in the picture).

    Also, that stupida fucking mugshot makes me want to junk-punch him even more.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Enkidu said:

    Someone posted this today and I thought it was lovely. Sometimes it's hard to remember there are more good people in the world than not.

    http://johnpavlovitz.com/2016/06/06/to-brock-turners-father-from-another-father/

    Just read his letter, thanks, E.

    This in particular got me:

    The idea that your son has never violated another woman next to a dumpster before isn’t a credit to his character. We don’t get kudos for only raping one person in our lifetime.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,783
    Poor poor victim , fuck this kid & that dad I'd kick his ass just for saying shit like this I bet this dad never ever had a one to one with this imbecile on how to treat & respect women !!!
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  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    Jose, you bring up something that has been bothering me the last few days, ever since this story received national attention.

    Someone here said previously that they had real life experience with a rape victim. I have real life experience, too, and a lot of it. I understand that this is a good time for parents to talk to their daughters about taking care in certain situations, about not drinking to excess. Those are good lessons for young women to learn. They should also learn about how to assess situations, how to have a back up plan to remove themselves from bad situations, and how to trust their instincts. But it has to be expressed appropriately. Much of the discussion around this case has focused on the victim being partly culpable. Sorry, she's not, and when things are expressed such a way as to assign blame to a victim, it's easy to understand why rape is so under-reported.

    I want to say that in all the talk about how young women (and believe me, older women too) should take care, I am really fucking tired. Tired of how the onus to prevent rape is placed on women. Tired of scoping out every situation, where should I park, looking around, behind, under my car, making sure I have deadbolt locks on the door of my home, keeping my gas tank full so that I don't have to stop at night, taking care where I drive, don't roll my window all the way day down if someone happens to speak to me. Don't get on an elevator if the only other passenger is a man. Avoid streets, parks, any public place where I may have to walk alone with no safe place around. I have been watching out for so long that it's second nature to me.

    So what I want to know in all of this is, what are men saying to their sons? Are they telling them that taking advantage of vulnerable people is wrong? Why do professional athletes all seem to act like thugs? Why aren't they saying to young men that you can be strong without being brutal, that how you live your life off the field or the court is even more important than how well you play a game?

    I'm not on a tear about the men on this board or in this discussion. Far from it. Most of the men I've known have been good people. My kind, caring husband is a prince. But this situation reminds me that so many young men aren't getting the right kind of messages from the people they respect. And that will only change if men decide to change it.

    Rant over.
    "The stars are all connected to the brain."
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Who P :clap:
  • Enkidu
    Enkidu So Cal Posts: 2,996
    I don't think that was a rant, WP. It made me sad though. My husband was at a work party at a bar last week and a young woman he was sitting with got up, put a napkin on top of her drink and said, "Will you watch my drink? I have to go to the bathroom." And of course he did, but when he told me the story it made us both sad. We're of an age where back in the Dark Ages you could go to a party or a bar and not worry that somebody would drop something in your drink.

    When did that become a thing? And why?

    There's a piece floating around online about the Swedish grad students who rescued the girl from Stanford rape boy - again, I think/hope there are more good people in the world than bad.

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