Stanford rapist

Enkidu

polaris_x said:

this is in response to the backlash leslie rasmussen faced when her character statement on behalf of the convicted was made public ... it was on her fb page but has since been deleted ...


Two months ago, I was asked to write a character statement for use in the sentencing phase of Brock Turner’s trial. Per the request of the court, I was asked to write this statement in an effort to shed light on Brock’s character as I knew it to be during my childhood, adolescence and young adulthood when I interacted with him as a classmate and friend. I felt confident in my ability to share my straightforward opinion of him and how I knew him. I also felt compelled to share my deep concern over the misuse of alcohol that was a well-established contributor in this case. Beyond sharing my personal experience with Brock, I made an appeal to the judge to consider the effect that alcohol played in this tragedy.

I understand that this appeal has now provided an opportunity for people to misconstrue my ideas into a distortion that suggests I sympathize with sex offenses and those who commit them or that I blame the victim involved. Nothing could be farther from the truth, and I apologize for anything my statement has done to suggest that I don’t feel enormous sympathy for the victim and her suffering.

Perhaps I should have included in my statement the following ideas that explain my perspective on the complexities of what may have happened. As a young female musician who has spent years (since I was in fourth grade) performing as a drummer in live music venues, clubs, and bars with my two sisters, I have had the unique opportunity to observe over 10 years of public American drinking culture and the problems that invariably arise through alcohol misuse. I have watched friends, acquaintances and complete strangers transform before my eyes over the course of sometimes very short periods of time, into people I could barely recognize as a result of alcohol overconsumption. I am currently 20 years old. I have made these observations through sober eyes. I have been repeatedly reminded by my family and coached by police to hold my personal sobriety closely and seriously because of the industry I work in and the risks to my own life that I could face as a young woman playing regularly in venues across the country where alcohol is served.

Additionally, I have grown up and currently reside in a university town that is affected every year by the tragic consequences resulting from undergraduate students’ excessive enthusiasm for binge drinking. Student arrests, violence, injuries, and sexual assaults occur with some regularity, and I have often wondered why this culture continues to thrive seemingly unquestioned and unchecked.

There is nothing more sad than the unnecessary, destructive and enormous toll that
overuse, misuse and abuse of alcohol and drugs play in people’s lives, and I don’t think my effort to point this out in confidence to a judge while commenting on Brock Turner’s character, as the sober person I knew him to be, was an irresponsible or reckless decision. Unfortunately, due to the overzealous nature of social media and the lack of confidence and privacy in which my letter to the judge was held, I am now thrust into the public eye to defend my position on this matter in the court of public opinion. Now, my choices to defer college to write and play music, to finally introduce 10 years of hard work to a national audience while working consistently and intentionally on my own personal and professional integrity, has led to an uproar of judgement and hatred unleashed on me, my band and my family.

I know that Brock Turner was tried and rightfully convicted of sexual assault. I realize that this crime caused enormous pain for the victim. I don’t condone, support, or sympathize with the offense or the offender. I was asked by a court in California to provide a character statement as a standard and necessary part of the sentencing process.

I believe that Brock’s character was seriously affected by the alcohol he consumed, and I felt that the court needed to consider this issue during their sentencing deliberations.

She did say this in her letter, I don’t think it’s fair to base the fate of the next ten + years of his life on the decision of a girl who doesn’t remember anything but the amount she drank to press charges against him.

And this. This is completely different from a woman getting kidnapped and raped as she is walking to her car in a parking lot. This is a rapist. These are not rapists. These are idiot boys and girls having too much to drink and not being aware of their surroundings and having clouded judgement. I’m not saying that is every case because I know there are young men that take advantage of young women and vice versa, but I know for a fact that Brock is not one of these people. He is respectful and caring, talented and smart enough to know better.

And this. I would not be writing this letter if I had any doubt in my mind that he is innocent.

More about her and her letter here. http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2016/06/08/24179751/woman-who-defended-brock-turners-character-in-trial-clarifiesbackpedals-after-her-band-is-shunned

Mignelli14

I'm sure the vast majority of these cases are handled properly in the US and the odd time it isn't, such as this time, we hear about it because it is surprising news. So I'll give the justice department the benefit of the doubt (proofreading this post this part sounds yucky lol) that they make mistakes from time to time - but this is worse than just a mistake, it's freaking inexplicably incorrect.
Is there a law where the department, upon reviewing it during his 6 month sentence, realize they totally goofed and extend the sentence for a more appropriate length of time? If not, there should be.

Degeneratefk

Mignelli14 said:

I'm sure the vast majority of these cases are handled properly in the US and the odd time it isn't, such as this time, we hear about it because it is surprising news. So I'll give the justice department the benefit of the doubt (proofreading this post this part sounds yucky lol) that they make mistakes from time to time - but this is worse than just a mistake, it's freaking inexplicably incorrect.
Is there a law where the department, upon reviewing it during his 6 month sentence, realize they totally goofed and extend the sentence for a more appropriate length of time? If not, there should be.

I disagree with such a law. If it is found that this judge was biased jn any way towards the defendant, then by all means, reprimand him. But to have a person be sentenced twice for the same conviction does not sit well with me.

Mignelli14

Degeneratefk said:

Mignelli14 said:

I'm sure the vast majority of these cases are handled properly in the US and the odd time it isn't, such as this time, we hear about it because it is surprising news. So I'll give the justice department the benefit of the doubt (proofreading this post this part sounds yucky lol) that they make mistakes from time to time - but this is worse than just a mistake, it's freaking inexplicably incorrect.
Is there a law where the department, upon reviewing it during his 6 month sentence, realize they totally goofed and extend the sentence for a more appropriate length of time? If not, there should be.

I disagree with such a law. If it is found that this judge was biased jn any way towards the defendant, then by all means, reprimand him. But to have a person be sentenced twice for the same conviction does not sit well with me.

Hmm hearing that from someone else's POV makes me agree. You're right. The person who gave the sentence should be punished. But I still feel like the offender should have to pay a more significant price

F Me In The Brain

Enkidu said:

polaris_x said:

this is in response to the backlash leslie rasmussen faced when her character statement on behalf of the convicted was made public ... it was on her fb page but has since been deleted ...


Two months ago, I was asked to write a character statement for use in the sentencing phase of Brock Turner’s trial. Per the request of the court, I was asked to write this statement in an effort to shed light on Brock’s character as I knew it to be during my childhood, adolescence and young adulthood when I interacted with him as a classmate and friend. I felt confident in my ability to share my straightforward opinion of him and how I knew him. I also felt compelled to share my deep concern over the misuse of alcohol that was a well-established contributor in this case. Beyond sharing my personal experience with Brock, I made an appeal to the judge to consider the effect that alcohol played in this tragedy.

I understand that this appeal has now provided an opportunity for people to misconstrue my ideas into a distortion that suggests I sympathize with sex offenses and those who commit them or that I blame the victim involved. Nothing could be farther from the truth, and I apologize for anything my statement has done to suggest that I don’t feel enormous sympathy for the victim and her suffering.

Perhaps I should have included in my statement the following ideas that explain my perspective on the complexities of what may have happened. As a young female musician who has spent years (since I was in fourth grade) performing as a drummer in live music venues, clubs, and bars with my two sisters, I have had the unique opportunity to observe over 10 years of public American drinking culture and the problems that invariably arise through alcohol misuse. I have watched friends, acquaintances and complete strangers transform before my eyes over the course of sometimes very short periods of time, into people I could barely recognize as a result of alcohol overconsumption. I am currently 20 years old. I have made these observations through sober eyes. I have been repeatedly reminded by my family and coached by police to hold my personal sobriety closely and seriously because of the industry I work in and the risks to my own life that I could face as a young woman playing regularly in venues across the country where alcohol is served.

Additionally, I have grown up and currently reside in a university town that is affected every year by the tragic consequences resulting from undergraduate students’ excessive enthusiasm for binge drinking. Student arrests, violence, injuries, and sexual assaults occur with some regularity, and I have often wondered why this culture continues to thrive seemingly unquestioned and unchecked.

There is nothing more sad than the unnecessary, destructive and enormous toll that
overuse, misuse and abuse of alcohol and drugs play in people’s lives, and I don’t think my effort to point this out in confidence to a judge while commenting on Brock Turner’s character, as the sober person I knew him to be, was an irresponsible or reckless decision. Unfortunately, due to the overzealous nature of social media and the lack of confidence and privacy in which my letter to the judge was held, I am now thrust into the public eye to defend my position on this matter in the court of public opinion. Now, my choices to defer college to write and play music, to finally introduce 10 years of hard work to a national audience while working consistently and intentionally on my own personal and professional integrity, has led to an uproar of judgement and hatred unleashed on me, my band and my family.

I know that Brock Turner was tried and rightfully convicted of sexual assault. I realize that this crime caused enormous pain for the victim. I don’t condone, support, or sympathize with the offense or the offender. I was asked by a court in California to provide a character statement as a standard and necessary part of the sentencing process.

I believe that Brock’s character was seriously affected by the alcohol he consumed, and I felt that the court needed to consider this issue during their sentencing deliberations.

She did say this in her letter, I don’t think it’s fair to base the fate of the next ten + years of his life on the decision of a girl who doesn’t remember anything but the amount she drank to press charges against him.

And this. This is completely different from a woman getting kidnapped and raped as she is walking to her car in a parking lot. This is a rapist. These are not rapists. These are idiot boys and girls having too much to drink and not being aware of their surroundings and having clouded judgement. I’m not saying that is every case because I know there are young men that take advantage of young women and vice versa, but I know for a fact that Brock is not one of these people. He is respectful and caring, talented and smart enough to know better.

And this. I would not be writing this letter if I had any doubt in my mind that he is innocent.

More about her and her letter here. http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2016/06/08/24179751/woman-who-defended-brock-turners-character-in-trial-clarifiesbackpedals-after-her-band-is-shunned

Wow, talk about Mic dropping.
This lady deserves every bit of backlash she gets. What an asshole letter to scribe.

PJ_Soul

Degeneratefk said:

Mignelli14 said:

I'm sure the vast majority of these cases are handled properly in the US and the odd time it isn't, such as this time, we hear about it because it is surprising news. So I'll give the justice department the benefit of the doubt (proofreading this post this part sounds yucky lol) that they make mistakes from time to time - but this is worse than just a mistake, it's freaking inexplicably incorrect.
Is there a law where the department, upon reviewing it during his 6 month sentence, realize they totally goofed and extend the sentence for a more appropriate length of time? If not, there should be.

I disagree with such a law. If it is found that this judge was biased jn any way towards the defendant, then by all means, reprimand him. But to have a person be sentenced twice for the same conviction does not sit well with me.

Yeah, I agree. Once a verdict is reached and a sentence given for the crime, that's the end of the story as far as that goes. Don't want to go down that slippery slope.

pjhawks

Enkidu said:

polaris_x said:

this is in response to the backlash leslie rasmussen faced when her character statement on behalf of the convicted was made public ... it was on her fb page but has since been deleted ...


Two months ago, I was asked to write a character statement for use in the sentencing phase of Brock Turner’s trial. Per the request of the court, I was asked to write this statement in an effort to shed light on Brock’s character as I knew it to be during my childhood, adolescence and young adulthood when I interacted with him as a classmate and friend. I felt confident in my ability to share my straightforward opinion of him and how I knew him. I also felt compelled to share my deep concern over the misuse of alcohol that was a well-established contributor in this case. Beyond sharing my personal experience with Brock, I made an appeal to the judge to consider the effect that alcohol played in this tragedy.

I understand that this appeal has now provided an opportunity for people to misconstrue my ideas into a distortion that suggests I sympathize with sex offenses and those who commit them or that I blame the victim involved. Nothing could be farther from the truth, and I apologize for anything my statement has done to suggest that I don’t feel enormous sympathy for the victim and her suffering.

Perhaps I should have included in my statement the following ideas that explain my perspective on the complexities of what may have happened. As a young female musician who has spent years (since I was in fourth grade) performing as a drummer in live music venues, clubs, and bars with my two sisters, I have had the unique opportunity to observe over 10 years of public American drinking culture and the problems that invariably arise through alcohol misuse. I have watched friends, acquaintances and complete strangers transform before my eyes over the course of sometimes very short periods of time, into people I could barely recognize as a result of alcohol overconsumption. I am currently 20 years old. I have made these observations through sober eyes. I have been repeatedly reminded by my family and coached by police to hold my personal sobriety closely and seriously because of the industry I work in and the risks to my own life that I could face as a young woman playing regularly in venues across the country where alcohol is served.

Additionally, I have grown up and currently reside in a university town that is affected every year by the tragic consequences resulting from undergraduate students’ excessive enthusiasm for binge drinking. Student arrests, violence, injuries, and sexual assaults occur with some regularity, and I have often wondered why this culture continues to thrive seemingly unquestioned and unchecked.

There is nothing more sad than the unnecessary, destructive and enormous toll that
overuse, misuse and abuse of alcohol and drugs play in people’s lives, and I don’t think my effort to point this out in confidence to a judge while commenting on Brock Turner’s character, as the sober person I knew him to be, was an irresponsible or reckless decision. Unfortunately, due to the overzealous nature of social media and the lack of confidence and privacy in which my letter to the judge was held, I am now thrust into the public eye to defend my position on this matter in the court of public opinion. Now, my choices to defer college to write and play music, to finally introduce 10 years of hard work to a national audience while working consistently and intentionally on my own personal and professional integrity, has led to an uproar of judgement and hatred unleashed on me, my band and my family.

I know that Brock Turner was tried and rightfully convicted of sexual assault. I realize that this crime caused enormous pain for the victim. I don’t condone, support, or sympathize with the offense or the offender. I was asked by a court in California to provide a character statement as a standard and necessary part of the sentencing process.

I believe that Brock’s character was seriously affected by the alcohol he consumed, and I felt that the court needed to consider this issue during their sentencing deliberations.

She did say this in her letter, I don’t think it’s fair to base the fate of the next ten + years of his life on the decision of a girl who doesn’t remember anything but the amount she drank to press charges against him.

And this. This is completely different from a woman getting kidnapped and raped as she is walking to her car in a parking lot. This is a rapist. These are not rapists. These are idiot boys and girls having too much to drink and not being aware of their surroundings and having clouded judgement. I’m not saying that is every case because I know there are young men that take advantage of young women and vice versa, but I know for a fact that Brock is not one of these people. He is respectful and caring, talented and smart enough to know better.

And this. I would not be writing this letter if I had any doubt in my mind that he is innocent.

More about her and her letter here. http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2016/06/08/24179751/woman-who-defended-brock-turners-character-in-trial-clarifiesbackpedals-after-her-band-is-shunned

what this character witness and even the assholes father fail to mention is that TWO PEOPLE caught him in the act. it's NOT her word against his. it's not the word of an intoxicated woman vs. an intoxicated man like so many campus sexual assaults. it can't possibly be any more clear he did it.

g under p

Degeneratefk said:

Mignelli14 said:

I'm sure the vast majority of these cases are handled properly in the US and the odd time it isn't, such as this time, we hear about it because it is surprising news. So I'll give the justice department the benefit of the doubt (proofreading this post this part sounds yucky lol) that they make mistakes from time to time - but this is worse than just a mistake, it's freaking inexplicably incorrect.
Is there a law where the department, upon reviewing it during his 6 month sentence, realize they totally goofed and extend the sentence for a more appropriate length of time? If not, there should be.

I disagree with such a law. If it is found that this judge was biased jn any way towards the defendant, then by all means, reprimand him. But to have a person be sentenced twice for the same conviction does not sit well with me.

The judge may have been biased in a sense. He was a a jock lacrosse player at Stanford and may have used his position in sentencing to give another jock scholarship swimmer a break and certainly did in this case.

Peace

hedonist

HughFreakingDillon said:

hedonist said:

I find it rich (not to mention insulting) when rape is referred to as "sexual assault".

I actually thought they were different offenses. rape being actual force able sexual intercourse, sexual assault being unwanted sexual advances via other means (touching, fingering, etc).

But she was raped, not sexually assaulted. This backtracking idiot letter-writer referred to it as such.

Degeneratefk

g under p said:

Degeneratefk said:

Mignelli14 said:

I'm sure the vast majority of these cases are handled properly in the US and the odd time it isn't, such as this time, we hear about it because it is surprising news. So I'll give the justice department the benefit of the doubt (proofreading this post this part sounds yucky lol) that they make mistakes from time to time - but this is worse than just a mistake, it's freaking inexplicably incorrect.
Is there a law where the department, upon reviewing it during his 6 month sentence, realize they totally goofed and extend the sentence for a more appropriate length of time? If not, there should be.

I disagree with such a law. If it is found that this judge was biased jn any way towards the defendant, then by all means, reprimand him. But to have a person be sentenced twice for the same conviction does not sit well with me.

The judge may have been biased in a sense. He was a a jock lacrosse player at Stanford and may have used his position in sentencing to give another jock scholarship swimmer a break and certainly did in this case.

Peace

Then the judge should be reprimanded if it is found he wasn't using proper judgment. The sentence shouldn't be changed. As idiotic as it is.

Enkidu

I agree about the sentence not being changed. Even though that makes me a little sick.

And this made me a little sick too. http://deadstate.org/brock-turners-dad-launched-a-fundraiser-for-supporters-to-help-pay-for-his-sons-legal-fees/

catefrances

polaris_x said:

i think it would be an important message on responsible drinking ... but how many stories out there involving tragic consequences involve excessive drinking!?? ... too many ...

I think the more important message is DONT RAPE conscious or unconscious women. SIMPLE.
if you see a body just lying somewhere assume they need help, not violation.

Degeneratefk

catefrances said:

polaris_x said:

i think it would be an important message on responsible drinking ... but how many stories out there involving tragic consequences involve excessive drinking!?? ... too many ...

I think the more important message is DONT RAPE conscious or unconscious women. SIMPLE.
if you see a body just lying somewhere assume they need help, not violation.

Sad that this has to be a message on responsible drinking instead of don't fucking rape people.

catefrances

Degeneratefk said:

catefrances said:

polaris_x said:

i think it would be an important message on responsible drinking ... but how many stories out there involving tragic consequences involve excessive drinking!?? ... too many ...

I think the more important message is DONT RAPE conscious or unconscious women. SIMPLE.
if you see a body just lying somewhere assume they need help, not violation.

Sad that this has to be a message on responsible drinking instead of don't fucking rape people.

but it doesnt have to be and it shouldn't be. whats sad is that there are people out there that see a person in a vulnerable position and think its ok to violate them. i suspect the average person just expects a hangover after drinking to excess, nothing more.

northerndragon

Enkidu said:

I agree about the sentence not being changed. Even though that makes me a little sick.

And this made me a little sick too. http://deadstate.org/brock-turners-dad-launched-a-fundraiser-for-supporters-to-help-pay-for-his-sons-legal-fees/

A little sick? It's projectile vomit inducing.

Degeneratefk said:

catefrances said:

polaris_x said:

i think it would be an important message on responsible drinking ... but how many stories out there involving tragic consequences involve excessive drinking!?? ... too many ...

I think the more important message is DONT RAPE conscious or unconscious women. SIMPLE.
if you see a body just lying somewhere assume they need help, not violation.

Sad that this has to be a message on responsible drinking instead of don't fucking rape people.

What's sad is that a few people have made about responsible drinking and not DON'T FUCKING RAPE PEOPLE!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

People are saying be careful.

People are saying if you get totally shitfaced, that might not work out so great given there are f**king scumbags out there that will rape you... and worse if in the hands of an extreme sociopath.

Do people think we should not educate our daughters on the importance of exercising caution when out? Go ahead with your daughters if that's what you think, but I understand that no matter how much we try and educate men... there are going to be several that are numb to such messages. And as such, as sad as this might be, I will teach my daughter to be careful.

hedonist

Thirty, I know where your heart lies and that you're one of the good fathers out there.

But, unfortunately, no matter how careful a woman will be, no matter how many lessons and talks, no matter how many precautions taken, there are still fuckers who will find a way around.

This piece of shit just had it made easier for him. If not this poor young woman, then another; matter of time.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

hedonist said:

Thirty, I know where your heart lies and that you're one of the good fathers out there.

But, unfortunately, no matter how careful a woman will be, no matter how many lessons and talks, no matter how many precautions taken, there are still fuckers who will find a way around.

This piece of shit just had it made easier for him. If not this poor young woman, then another; matter of time.

And that's why we should cut his nuts off.

Rapists... murderers... f**k 'em.

But be careful of them. Take precautions so you don't leave yourself vulnerable.

This incident was not her fault. The fault lies completely with the fast swimmer. But as we acknowledge that... let's move forward educating our young women that not all guys are going to be like your dad and brothers and help you when you need help. Some are going to spring fangs and hurt you.

F**king horrendous reality, but it's reality.

hedonist

Poor baby needs special protection in the po-po.

HughFreakingDillon

hedonist said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

hedonist said:

I find it rich (not to mention insulting) when rape is referred to as "sexual assault".

I actually thought they were different offenses. rape being actual force able sexual intercourse, sexual assault being unwanted sexual advances via other means (touching, fingering, etc).

But she was raped, not sexually assaulted. This backtracking idiot letter-writer referred to it as such.

was she? I'm not saying you are incorrect, I'm just saying I didn't read anything that suggested he had intercourse with her. I thought it was all digital stuff.