North Carolina passes bill blocking LGBT protections

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,408
    Wife shared a post on adbook that is drop the mic truth.


    Dear creepy heterosexual men guarding our bathrooms,

    My entire life, I've been told to fear you in one way or another. I've been told to cover my body as to not distract you in school, to cover my body to help avoid unwanted advances or comments, to cover my body as to not tempt you to sexually assault me, to reject your unwanted advances politely as to not anger you. I've been taught to never walk alone at night, to hold my keys in my fist while walking in parking lots, to check the backseat of my car, to not drink too much because you might take advantage of me. I've been told what I should and shouldn't do with my body as to not jeopardize my relationships with you.

    I've been warned not to emasculate you, to let "boys be boys", to protect your fragile ego and to not tread on your even more fragile masculinity. I've been taught to keep my emotions in check, to let you be the unit of measure for how much emotion is appropriate and to adjust my emotions accordingly. I've been taught that you're allowed to categorize women into mothers/sisters/girlfriends/wives/daughters but any woman outside of your protected categories is fair game.

    So to those of you who think you're being helpful by "protecting" me and my fellow women, you're like a shark sitting in the Lifeguard chair. I wasn't uncomfortable until you showed up at the pool and the only potential predator I see is you.

    Your mothers, sisters, girlfriends, wives and daughters don't need you to walk them to the bathroom for safety. Your fathers, brothers, friends and sons need to walk themselves away from their own double standards. Women are sexually harassed and sexually assaulted on school campuses, on the street, at their jobs, on the Internet, in their own homes, in ANY public place. And it has been excused or ignored for so long because of what you and I are taught from the first years of our interactions with each other: You, as a male, are not accountable for your own actions. It's MY responsibility, as a female, to not "provoke" you. But then you get to Knight-In-Shining-Armor your way through life for those in your protected categories and I am expected to applaud you. Why the outrage now over bathrooms? Why aren't you outraged every single day?

    If you're telling me that there are high volumes of boys and men out there, in schools or in general, who are just waiting for a "loop hole" to sexually assault girls and women, we have bigger problems on our hands than bathrooms. The first problem would be your apparent lack of knowledge of how often it happens OUTSIDE of bathrooms, with no "loop holes" needed. This isn't about Transgender bathroom access. This is about you not trusting the boys and men in your communities and/or fearing that they're all secretly predators. Why do you have this fear? How many fathers have panicked when their daughters started dating because they "know how teenaged boys can be because they used to be one"? How many times have girls been warned "boys are only after one thing"? A mother can bring her young son into the women's restroom and that's fine but a father bringing his young daughter into the men's restroom is disturbing because men are assumed to be predators and "little girls" shouldn't be exposed to that.

    So instead of picking up your sword and heading to Target or the girls' locker room to defend our "rights", why don't you start somewhere that could actually make a difference? Challenge your children's schools to end sexist dress codes and dress codes that sexualize girls as young as age 5. Advocate for proper (or any) sex education classes in all public schools by a certain grade level. Focus more on teaching your sons not to rape vs teaching your daughters how to avoid being raped. Stop asking "How would you feel if that was your mother or sister?" It shouldn't take the comparison to clue you in to what's right or wrong. Question why you're more worried about your daughter being around men than your son being around women in bathrooms and dressing rooms. Stop walking by Victoria's Secret with no problem but covering your son's eyes if a woman is breastfeeding in public. Stop treating your daughter's body as some fortress you're sworn to protect as if that's all she's got to offer the world.

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  • lolobugg
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    mickeyrat said:

    Wife shared a post on adbook that is drop the mic truth.


    Dear creepy heterosexual men guarding our bathrooms,

    My entire life, I've been told to fear you in one way or another. I've been told to cover my body as to not distract you in school, to cover my body to help avoid unwanted advances or comments, to cover my body as to not tempt you to sexually assault me, to reject your unwanted advances politely as to not anger you. I've been taught to never walk alone at night, to hold my keys in my fist while walking in parking lots, to check the backseat of my car, to not drink too much because you might take advantage of me. I've been told what I should and shouldn't do with my body as to not jeopardize my relationships with you.

    I've been warned not to emasculate you, to let "boys be boys", to protect your fragile ego and to not tread on your even more fragile masculinity. I've been taught to keep my emotions in check, to let you be the unit of measure for how much emotion is appropriate and to adjust my emotions accordingly. I've been taught that you're allowed to categorize women into mothers/sisters/girlfriends/wives/daughters but any woman outside of your protected categories is fair game.

    So to those of you who think you're being helpful by "protecting" me and my fellow women, you're like a shark sitting in the Lifeguard chair. I wasn't uncomfortable until you showed up at the pool and the only potential predator I see is you.

    Your mothers, sisters, girlfriends, wives and daughters don't need you to walk them to the bathroom for safety. Your fathers, brothers, friends and sons need to walk themselves away from their own double standards. Women are sexually harassed and sexually assaulted on school campuses, on the street, at their jobs, on the Internet, in their own homes, in ANY public place. And it has been excused or ignored for so long because of what you and I are taught from the first years of our interactions with each other: You, as a male, are not accountable for your own actions. It's MY responsibility, as a female, to not "provoke" you. But then you get to Knight-In-Shining-Armor your way through life for those in your protected categories and I am expected to applaud you. Why the outrage now over bathrooms? Why aren't you outraged every single day?

    If you're telling me that there are high volumes of boys and men out there, in schools or in general, who are just waiting for a "loop hole" to sexually assault girls and women, we have bigger problems on our hands than bathrooms. The first problem would be your apparent lack of knowledge of how often it happens OUTSIDE of bathrooms, with no "loop holes" needed. This isn't about Transgender bathroom access. This is about you not trusting the boys and men in your communities and/or fearing that they're all secretly predators. Why do you have this fear? How many fathers have panicked when their daughters started dating because they "know how teenaged boys can be because they used to be one"? How many times have girls been warned "boys are only after one thing"? A mother can bring her young son into the women's restroom and that's fine but a father bringing his young daughter into the men's restroom is disturbing because men are assumed to be predators and "little girls" shouldn't be exposed to that.

    So instead of picking up your sword and heading to Target or the girls' locker room to defend our "rights", why don't you start somewhere that could actually make a difference? Challenge your children's schools to end sexist dress codes and dress codes that sexualize girls as young as age 5. Advocate for proper (or any) sex education classes in all public schools by a certain grade level. Focus more on teaching your sons not to rape vs teaching your daughters how to avoid being raped. Stop asking "How would you feel if that was your mother or sister?" It shouldn't take the comparison to clue you in to what's right or wrong. Question why you're more worried about your daughter being around men than your son being around women in bathrooms and dressing rooms. Stop walking by Victoria's Secret with no problem but covering your son's eyes if a woman is breastfeeding in public. Stop treating your daughter's body as some fortress you're sworn to protect as if that's all she's got to offer the world.

    :clap:
    thank you for sharing that!
    that is so beautiful!!!!!!!

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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Nice post Mickey.


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  • mickeyrat
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    mickeyrat said:
    WTF? Isn't is totally normal for dads to do that? I see it all the time. Same with little boys with their moms in the women's washroom. This is standard operating procedure.
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    Yes it is.
  • lolobugg
    lolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,195
    PJ_Soul said:

    mickeyrat said:
    WTF? Isn't is totally normal for dads to do that? I see it all the time. Same with little boys with their moms in the women's washroom. This is standard operating procedure.
    I take my 3 year old daughter to the men's bathroom all the time if she is with me. any small dick piece of shit that would have a problem with that can kiss my ass. and attacking a guy while he was with his kids. i hope they lock this piece of shit up with some good boys that will show him a good time in prison.

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJ_Soul said:

    mickeyrat said:
    WTF? Isn't is totally normal for dads to do that? I see it all the time. Same with little boys with their moms in the women's washroom. This is standard operating procedure.
    There are some particularly good comments in the comments section below the article. Here's one I thought I would share, though perhaps it belongs in the gun thread instead:

    US fatal shootings by Islamist terrorists, 2015: 16
    US fatal shootings by conservative terrorists, 2015: 14
    US fatal shootings by toddlers, 2015: 32

    It looks to me like Islamic terrorism is, as it should be, pretty low on my personal threat matrix, “Conservatives” are having a really, really off year, and the toddler community is probably overdue for some monitoring and observation before it radicalizes.
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  • mickeyrat
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    Heard today two small towns , one in Tx the other in Az are crafting ordinances for their schools related to trans use of bathroom choice.

    neither school system has any trans students.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Cons are acting like the State Dept memo started all this hubbub, of course they are lying and know it, it started with this bill and it shows how disingenuous the conservative movement is.
    That being said, the State Dept memo was an unnecessary fanning of the flames, why give them fuel for the fire when they have none to begin with.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,408
    rgambs said:

    Cons are acting like the State Dept memo started all this hubbub, of course they are lying and know it, it started with this bill and it shows how disingenuous the conservative movement is.
    That being said, the State Dept memo was an unnecessary fanning of the flames, why give them fuel for the fire when they have none to begin with.

    you mean justice dept.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    mickeyrat said:

    rgambs said:

    Cons are acting like the State Dept memo started all this hubbub, of course they are lying and know it, it started with this bill and it shows how disingenuous the conservative movement is.
    That being said, the State Dept memo was an unnecessary fanning of the flames, why give them fuel for the fire when they have none to begin with.

    you mean justice dept.
    Hahaha yes thank you, the browbeating over the email "scandal" is seeping into my brain lol
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  • EM194007
    EM194007 Posts: 2,827
    rgambs said:

    Cons are acting like the State Dept memo started all this hubbub, of course they are lying and know it, it started with this bill and it shows how disingenuous the conservative movement is.
    That being said, the State Dept memo was an unnecessary fanning of the flames, why give them fuel for the fire when they have none to begin with.

    Wrong!!! It started in Illinois, after Obama thought he could change Title IX on his own, without Congress .

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/ill-group-sues-obama-administration-over-transgender-students-bathroom-access/2016/05/04/5c57ad12-1206-11e6-93ae-50921721165d_story.html
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    EM194007 said:

    rgambs said:

    Cons are acting like the State Dept memo started all this hubbub, of course they are lying and know it, it started with this bill and it shows how disingenuous the conservative movement is.
    That being said, the State Dept memo was an unnecessary fanning of the flames, why give them fuel for the fire when they have none to begin with.

    Wrong!!! It started in Illinois, after Obama thought he could change Title IX on his own, without Congress .

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/ill-group-sues-obama-administration-over-transgender-students-bathroom-access/2016/05/04/5c57ad12-1206-11e6-93ae-50921721165d_story.html
    So share what's your view in this? Birth certificate determines bathroom?
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    EM194007 said:

    rgambs said:

    Cons are acting like the State Dept memo started all this hubbub, of course they are lying and know it, it started with this bill and it shows how disingenuous the conservative movement is.
    That being said, the State Dept memo was an unnecessary fanning of the flames, why give them fuel for the fire when they have none to begin with.

    Wrong!!! It started in Illinois, after Obama thought he could change Title IX on his own, without Congress .

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/ill-group-sues-obama-administration-over-transgender-students-bathroom-access/2016/05/04/5c57ad12-1206-11e6-93ae-50921721165d_story.html
    This story broke on May 4th, well after the NC silliness.
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  • EM194007
    EM194007 Posts: 2,827
    callen said:


    So share what's your view in this? Birth certificate determines bathroom?

    I don't care what bathroom anyone uses. We've been doing alright before all this BS started.
  • EM194007
    EM194007 Posts: 2,827
    rgambs said:


    This story broke on May 4th, well after the NC silliness.

    Story might have been updated in May, once the lawsuit was filed. But this issue has been going on in Illinois since back in 2015.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    It's the conservative Christians bringing this shit up now. Blaming Obama and Feds feels better though I'm sure.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,419
    callen said:

    It's the conservative Christians bringing this shit up now. Blaming Obama and Feds feels better though I'm sure.

    Everything is President Obama's fault