Pearl Jam Cancels 4/20 Raleigh, NC Concert in Opposition to HB2; Official Band Statement

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  • Pixeltender
    Pixeltender nyc Posts: 79

    OfficerPJ said:

    I have been struggling all night to try to find the way I feel about this and how to express it. This is something that is beyond disappointing and my first reaction was straight anger. I don't agree with this and waiting until the last minute hurts your truest fans the most. I know in the big picture that this is just a concert by some rock group, but to some of us it is more. Pearl Jam is my "thing". I don't go out drinking, or hunting, and anything else really. For the most part I just go to work, take care of my family, and all the other little things that adults do. This was always my splurge or something to look forward to that was kind of a reward to get through the monotony of everyday life. Besides the nonrefundable plane tickets, hotels, rental car, time off work, and various travel expenses there are other aspects that don't necessarily have a monetary value. Things such as, arranging help with your kids, using the saved up " kitchen passes" from the wife, spending your turn for help from the grandparents, arranging rides to and from the airport, and so on. These are things I am sure the band did not consider. Much of this trip was a Christmas gift and it just hurts that the same excitement is some how gone. It seems dumb that this would bring these feelings, but when it is something that you have been so passionate about for so many years, you just start to question it all. I could not even listen to their music tonight and that is something that I did not expect.

    That's all very reasonable. It might help to remember why Pearl Jam is your "thing". Is it because of all those ideals they sing about and stand for? They're a band that you can feel pride for supporting because they're always standing on the right side of history. Even 25 years into it, they're not just old rockers playing nostalgia shows, they're still doing their best to use what power they have to help make a difference even at the cost of upsetting their precious fan base, which I can guarantee was no small consideration for them. Food for thought.
    Pearl Jam is my thing because their music is freaking awesome.

    They don't drive my social conscience. I like how they think and that makes me like them more... but their music is their greatest gift to us. Let's get serious.
    Not sure why you had to add "let's get serious" to the end of a statement that doesn't contradict mine. Obviously the music is what brought us all here.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    joekern said:

    First of all, I'm sorry for all the fans who had tix for Raleigh. That sucks for you guys. I know that I'd be seriously disappointed if the shows I'm attending in the next couple of weeks were cancelled.

    That being said, I'm hoping that once your disappointment and anger subside, you'll continue to support the band whose world view (though perhaps different from one's own) is inextricably linked to the music they make. And it's THAT -- the music -- that makes you fan.

    A cancelled show (regardless of the reason or the manner in which it was done) is not reason enough to turn one's back on such a great band. If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, it's Pearl Jam. Easy for me to say, huh! Yeah, but still ... I'd (eventually) feel the same way if I'd planned on attending Raleigh.

    Reason to be disappointed? Of course.
    Reason to be angry? I suppose.
    Reason to hate Pearl Jam? No.

    I totally agree, and I am local to raleigh. I think my wife was more upset than I was, and she isn't even a fan. She purchased these tickets as a gift for me, it would have been my first PJ concert after being a die hard fan for over 20 years.

    Which just tells me that those on this thread upset about this are either feeling the sting finanically, or are not really invested in the band as much as they think they are.
    It's not quite fair to make those assumptions.

    I've got but two PJ shows under my belt and who knows when I'll see them next. So to express my opinion has nothing to do with money.

    And invested in the band? Invested emotionally, heart and soul...and wholly-ensconced in their music. It has sustained me, and led me. So much more than that.

    Coming on 16 years with the love of my life, met through these forums. Met through this music.

    So...no.

    Leave judgments at the swinging doors, please.
  • OfficerPJ said:

    I have been struggling all night to try to find the way I feel about this and how to express it. This is something that is beyond disappointing and my first reaction was straight anger. I don't agree with this and waiting until the last minute hurts your truest fans the most. I know in the big picture that this is just a concert by some rock group, but to some of us it is more. Pearl Jam is my "thing". I don't go out drinking, or hunting, and anything else really. For the most part I just go to work, take care of my family, and all the other little things that adults do. This was always my splurge or something to look forward to that was kind of a reward to get through the monotony of everyday life. Besides the nonrefundable plane tickets, hotels, rental car, time off work, and various travel expenses there are other aspects that don't necessarily have a monetary value. Things such as, arranging help with your kids, using the saved up " kitchen passes" from the wife, spending your turn for help from the grandparents, arranging rides to and from the airport, and so on. These are things I am sure the band did not consider. Much of this trip was a Christmas gift and it just hurts that the same excitement is some how gone. It seems dumb that this would bring these feelings, but when it is something that you have been so passionate about for so many years, you just start to question it all. I could not even listen to their music tonight and that is something that I did not expect.

    That's all very reasonable. It might help to remember why Pearl Jam is your "thing". Is it because of all those ideals they sing about and stand for? They're a band that you can feel pride for supporting because they're always standing on the right side of history. Even 25 years into it, they're not just old rockers playing nostalgia shows, they're still doing their best to use what power they have to help make a difference even at the cost of upsetting their precious fan base, which I can guarantee was no small consideration for them. Food for thought.
    Pearl Jam is my thing because their music is freaking awesome.

    They don't drive my social conscience. I like how they think and that makes me like them more... but their music is their greatest gift to us. Let's get serious.
    Not sure why you had to add "let's get serious" to the end of a statement that doesn't contradict mine. Obviously the music is what brought us all here.
    You seemed to be implying that Pearl Jam's political viewpoints were the attraction as much as their music and if this wasn't the case... then maybe you're not a real fan.

    I obviously misread what you meant. No worries. I'm not looking to irritate anyone more than they might already be.
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  • dlymnfld
    dlymnfld CT Posts: 923
    ComeToTX said:

    Mumford and Buffett are handling it correctly.

    This
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  • NewJPage
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    ComeToTX said:

    Negative attention doesn't matter to the few who passed this. Neither does popular opinion. Neither does PayPal and Deutsche taking money and jobs out of NC. They are bigots and PJ not playing a show won't change that.

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  • SmallestOceans
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    Ed confronted the issue tonight. He's got balls. I feel sorry for the fans that lost money on plane tickets and hotel rooms. But any anger i had has dissolved.
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  • Pixeltender
    Pixeltender nyc Posts: 79

    OfficerPJ said:

    I have been struggling all night to try to find the way I feel about this and how to express it. This is something that is beyond disappointing and my first reaction was straight anger. I don't agree with this and waiting until the last minute hurts your truest fans the most. I know in the big picture that this is just a concert by some rock group, but to some of us it is more. Pearl Jam is my "thing". I don't go out drinking, or hunting, and anything else really. For the most part I just go to work, take care of my family, and all the other little things that adults do. This was always my splurge or something to look forward to that was kind of a reward to get through the monotony of everyday life. Besides the nonrefundable plane tickets, hotels, rental car, time off work, and various travel expenses there are other aspects that don't necessarily have a monetary value. Things such as, arranging help with your kids, using the saved up " kitchen passes" from the wife, spending your turn for help from the grandparents, arranging rides to and from the airport, and so on. These are things I am sure the band did not consider. Much of this trip was a Christmas gift and it just hurts that the same excitement is some how gone. It seems dumb that this would bring these feelings, but when it is something that you have been so passionate about for so many years, you just start to question it all. I could not even listen to their music tonight and that is something that I did not expect.

    That's all very reasonable. It might help to remember why Pearl Jam is your "thing". Is it because of all those ideals they sing about and stand for? They're a band that you can feel pride for supporting because they're always standing on the right side of history. Even 25 years into it, they're not just old rockers playing nostalgia shows, they're still doing their best to use what power they have to help make a difference even at the cost of upsetting their precious fan base, which I can guarantee was no small consideration for them. Food for thought.
    Pearl Jam is my thing because their music is freaking awesome.

    They don't drive my social conscience. I like how they think and that makes me like them more... but their music is their greatest gift to us. Let's get serious.
    Not sure why you had to add "let's get serious" to the end of a statement that doesn't contradict mine. Obviously the music is what brought us all here.
    You seemed to be implying that Pearl Jam's political viewpoints were the attraction as much as their music and if this wasn't the case... then maybe you're not a real fan.

    I obviously misread what you meant. No worries. I'm not looking to irritate anyone more than they might already be.
    I was just trying to cheer up OfficerPJ with some perspective :)
  • That's all very reasonable. It might help to remember why Pearl Jam is your "thing". Is it because of all those ideals they sing about and stand for? They're a band that you can feel pride for supporting because they're always standing on the right side of history. Even 25 years into it, they're not just old rockers playing nostalgia shows, they're still doing their best to use what power they have to help make a difference even at the cost of upsetting their precious fan base, which I can guarantee was no small consideration for them. Food for thought.

    Well-said, Pix
  • That is great that Pearl Jam will refund my tickets, but I have lost $125 for my hotel room that I can't get refunded because I went through priceline.

    I GOT ALL MONEY BACK FROM PRICELINE< < < U HAVE TO CALL HOTEL FIRST AND THEY HAVE TO AGREE TO GIVE MONEY BACK< MINE DID AT THE WYNDHAM <<EVEN THOUGH I USED PRICELINE WITH NO REFUND ATTACHED< iTS WORTH A COUPLE PHONE CALLS
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    Well, I still don't think too much about transgender politics . . . but I am a bit more wary about buying tickets in the future.

    Last summer, I was on a boycott of South Carolina -- a place where I have roots, so it was hard -- until the Confederate flag came down. I understand the idea behind boycotts, but in my self-imposed travel ban, I thought and read a lot about how effective they really. I learned there had been an NAACP boycott of that state for longer than a decade over that flag, and it had zero impact on tourism dollars. It wasn't until people got themselves on the ground working under a confluence of events when the political will finally rose to remove that symbol. My little boycott made me feel like I was doing something at the time, but at the end of the day, I'm not really sure. It takes foot soldiers to change a system. The people in the state themselves had to work it out and get it done.

    I'm just glad the Confederate flag came down in time for Columbia. But I'm also pretty sure I would have abandoned my boycott for Pearl Jam.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    jfayiii said:

    I'm confused... didn't Pearl Jam just play in Chile a few months ago? Isn't abortion illegal there? Like 100% illegal, even in rape cases? Aren't there numerous other human rights concerns there and in the other countries they played? Sounds like selective/fashionable outrage.

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  • dlymnfld
    dlymnfld CT Posts: 923
    edited April 2016
    I wonder if Pearl Jam would of cancelled the Oracle show if it was in NC?
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  • rival9500
    rival9500 Posts: 594
    It sucks that I'm out hundreds in travel expenses. I made plans to go to this show because my friend won the lottery that I got completely shut out of, again. While I am extremely disappointed that this happened, I'm directing my anger to the lawmakers in NC responsible for this pathetic law. Seriously, fuck those people. Fuck the NC governor, and fuck anyone that supports this law.
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  • DarbyCrash
    DarbyCrash Posts: 223
    In solidarity with Pearl Jam in their decision to cancel the NC show to show support for LGBT rights, I'm offering up one free Wrigley Field night 2 ticket (Monday Aug 22nd) to someone who lost out on the Raleigh date. It's not a Ten Club seat but it's decent: Terrace 213 or something like that. I'll have to look. I got this ticket as insurance. :-) I won't give this to anyone who bashed the band or LGBT rights FYI.

    PM me with proof that you had NC tix and the reason why you should get the free ticket. I'll pick tomorrow.

    Much love to all!

    EDIT: I can mail the hard copy ticket to the winner ASAP via UPS or some kind of traceable carrier. Also, please please please remember these aren't ten club seats. They are decent seats but they aren't TC. I just don't want anyone to miss that part and then be disappointed.
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  • JP Losman
    JP Losman Raleigh Posts: 149
    This band is just not as informed as they think they are and perhaps not as genuine in their beliefs

    My wife and I are activists here in Raleigh. Hers is her career. We are talking ground floor level. We each have different primary causes but the progressive community as a whole supports each other. We have had some success but have lost fights too. If pj did their homework, they would have understood that this was not one of the better options in trying to repeal the law.

    Moreover, the band just reeks of being hypocrites and grandstanding for publicity. The hb2 bill is bad and people on this board (even those in favor of pj cancelling) don't appear to understand how bad of a bill it is. It's disgusting. From a civil rights standpoint, the right to vote is also an incredibly important civil liberty in a democracy. The voter id laws in many of our states coupled with county and local level policies like closing all the dmvs in poor communities has resulted in essentially disenfranchising voters in poor communities, especially poor minority voters. These laws are major civil rights violations. And they are happening in plenty of states Pearl jam has played in like Virginia and Florida or will play in the future. Pj please cancel shows in places with bad voter id laws too. Be consistent.

    I find it repulsive too that you are condemning a state where the biggest city actually was pro active in making a progressive law that helps lgbt community as opposed to the cities that have voted against it like Houston. Charlotte may have forced the states hand and created a situation where lgbt becomes a protected class by the Supreme Court but thanks for punishing the great people of the state trying to make a difference in advancing the rights of LGBT among other things.

    Besides plenty of other hypocrisies such as the recent chile shows despite their detestable laws, let's not forget eddies support of Nader in the 2000 election. If not for Nader, that presidential election swings the other way and we likely have a Supreme Court that would have been far more favorable for civil rights then we have had. This all makes me think this cancellation was not genuine. It was a copout publicity move. The real move. The real protest. The real courage is playing a show and donating proceeds. If you don't feel like being so charitable, I understand. But then at least cancel with reasonable notice. But to do it like this and writing that garbage letter, you are out of touch with making real change (or you don't truly believe in it). It's just grandstanding without moving the dial at all. I'm very disappointed you decided this was the best course of action. Although I will always love your music, I have no respect for your political stances and supposed activism anymore. Next time I see you play, if there is any political rant, count me as one of those that will think shut up and just play. Before I respected the ramblings. Now I know it's a joke. Excuse me for typos as I writing this from a phone.
  • LukinAtU
    LukinAtU Posts: 831
    edited April 2016
    So, November 2013 I traveled to see the band play Portland, Oregon. Oregon, the state in which January of that year a baker refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. Why was there no cancellation of the show? I'm not saying this is apples to apples but...it's also a situation that involves discrimination
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  • DT164689
    DT164689 Posts: 4
    Sweet! I can change my flight out of LA to Charleston into Charlotte instead for only an extra 60,000 miles...way to wait until 2 days before the concert - PJ Mgmt. Here's how it probably played out, white guy to richer white guy, "We can't let all the local businesses get screwed in the process of making a statement...well then, cancel late, everyone talks about it, and all the business get to keep the money of the fans as will be past cancelation time. Brilliant." Way to stick it to that HB2 law. #FANGATE And to think it would have been my friend's PJ concert cherry. This one stings. And I have a trans friend.
  • KC2917
    KC2917 Posts: 872
    Don't complain too much though. Apparently if you have an opinion other than "Pearl Jam is awesome and I agree with everything they do," the powers that be around here will close down the thread, as they already have in a different thread about the same topic.

    Hey admin... being critical of a decision the band made that had significant financial ramifications to thousands of fans isn't being disrespectful, it's simply stating an opinion. Isn't that why we're on here in the first place? I'm choking on the irony over here. Who's really shown a lack of respect? It's not the diehard fans, that's for damn sure.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,923
    Ed from the stage in Hampton:

    "We had to make a real tough call and um, we had to make a call about what we would do about the situation in North Carolina. (crowd cheers and some boos). Because they have a law there that broadly…broadly discriminates against a whole group of people. And I can’t tell from here if you are booing North Carolina if your booing us for having to decide that we are not gonna play there. I would understand that too.
    It was a hard process because we thought we could still play and make things right and we could fortify all the people on the ground working to repeal this despicable law. We thought we could take the money and give it to them and still play the show but the reality is there is nothing like the immense power like boycotting and putting a strain and it’s a shame because people are going to affected that don’t deserve it but it could be the way that ultimately is gonna effect change so again, we just couldn’t find it in ourselves in good conscience to cross a picket line when there was a movement so…
    So we apologize to those in Raleigh, we apologize to those who are going to Raleigh, we apologize to the locals who probably believe in the same things that we do. They have a reason to be pissed and were pissed off too. But we gotta be pissed off at the right people and get them to change their minds because they made a mistake, a big mistake and they can fix it.
    So tonight we play this one for all the soldiers in the LGBT community.")
  • Spags
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