Hillary won more votes for President

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Bentleyspop said:

    mrussel1 said:

    rssesq said:

    thumped again.
    Thanks lil Debbie Wasserman-Schultz for riggin this thing.

    You mean Sanders campaign manager Ted Devine, who is the one who created the superdelegate system in 1980 to prevent another George McGovern. Knowledge is power.
    Just to be clear....

    Jeff Weaver is the campaign manager for the Sanders campaign.

    Tad Devine is senior campaign strategist. And every presidential campaign he has worked on has lost!
    You are right on both counts. Or to be more accurate, he's lost every NATIONAL campaign in the US. When he represented scumbags like Yanukoyvch in the Ukraine, that went better.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited April 2016
    ‘Young Turks’ Reveals How DNC and 33 States Used Loopholes to Funnel Millions Into ‘Hillary Fund’


    http://m.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/young_turks_reveals_how_dnc_and_33_states_used_loopholes_hillary_20160406

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwDJmCD6iDA
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,192
    Jason P said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    Jason P said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    I'm not sure the democratic base is in much better shape then the republican base after seeing some of the comments. Trump or Cruz might actually win this thing.

    If both bases are fractured, it still favors the Democrats for two reasons 1. Trump's high (er than Clinton) negatives, particularly with women and 2. natural electoral advantages that Democrats have right now. I never say something can't happen, or the fundamentals can't change, but I still think the D is in a much better spot.
    I'm pretty sure Clinton would win but Sanders ... not so much. There are not enough college students and hippies spread about the middle states to make that happen
    I think a lot of people underestimate the amount of Red baiting that would happen in the general election once the super pacs start turning their sites on him. There hasn't been one negative ad, to my knowledge, run against Sanders so far. In fact, if you go to Drudge, Red State, NRO, Breitbart, etc. there are tons of anti-Hillary ads and articles. Zero on Bernie.
    Yeah, no way the GOP attacks him yet. They see him as the key to victory, where even Trump will come out on top. Getting rid of Clinton is key to the GOP.

    This would be the reaction of a GOP anti-Sanders strategist if he won the nomination ...

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    Polling shows a massive dem victory whether it's Sanders or Clinton.
    Election is many months away and the attacks on Sanders have yet to begin.
    LOL for what? The "socialist" attacks?

    You're forgetting that if Sanders is nominated he'll also be in the spotlight to challenge those claims.
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  • joseph33
    joseph33 Washington DC Posts: 1,341
    Is this country not tired by now of Bush's and Clinton's in the oval office?
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    This will leave a mark...

    http://observer.com/2016/04/panama-papers-reveal-clintons-kremlin-connection/
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    edited April 2016
    BS44325 said:

    This will leave a mark...

    http://observer.com/2016/04/panama-papers-reveal-clintons-kremlin-connection/

    Can you summarize for me, how this will leave a mark? I read it and all I see is that the Podesta group worked for the Russian Sberbank (largest bank in Russia) as a lobbyist, who are connected to the Panama Papers. And the CEO of Podesta is brother to John Podesta, who worked for Bill Clinton and Obama. That's it? Did I miss something else when I read it?

    It's no different than tying Devine to Putin through Yakunoyvch.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Let's take a different angle. You remember the GM ignition switch scandal, right? 124 deaths were linked to it. Pretty bad. Way worse than this. Now is every employee of GM a piece of shit because of that? What about all the companies that do business with GM (their dealers, the truck drivers, their outside counsel, their lobbyists, their supply chain who provide windows, radios (Bose, for example), etc. Are they all directly implicated?
  • BS44325
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    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    This will leave a mark...

    http://observer.com/2016/04/panama-papers-reveal-clintons-kremlin-connection/

    Can you summarize for me, how this will leave a mark? I read it and all I see is that the Podesta group worked for the Russian Sberbank (largest bank in Russia) as a lobbyist, who are connected to the Panama Papers. And the CEO of Podesta is brother to John Podesta, who worked for Bill Clinton and Obama. That's it? Did I miss something else when I read it?

    It's no different than tying Devine to Putin through Yakunoyvch.
    To quote the article:

    "It should be noted that Tony Podesta is a big-money bundler for the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign while his brother John is the chairman of that campaign, the chief architect of her plans to take the White House this November."

    All of this while she was serving as Secretary of State. Now does this prove anything nefarious? No but between this and the money Hillary and Bill have been receiving through the Clinton Global Intitative there are serious questions as to whether US policy decisions have been and/or will be made secondary to the needs and wants of big money special interests that Hillary and her people are deeply in bed with. This whole thing reeks.
  • mrussel1
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    So two people from the Clinton/Obama admins started a lobbying firm sometime between 2009 and 2012 (her time as Secy of state). Explain to me precisely how this lobbying firm played into specific State department decisions. Please be precise. The whole accusation is guilt by association.
    And then explain to me precisely what the Clinton Foundation has done wrong. And don't say 'refile tax returns' as if that's criminal and companies don't re-state or refile every all the time.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    So two people from the Clinton/Obama admins started a lobbying firm sometime between 2009 and 2012 (her time as Secy of state). Explain to me precisely how this lobbying firm played into specific State department decisions. Please be precise. The whole accusation is guilt by association.
    And then explain to me precisely what the Clinton Foundation has done wrong. And don't say 'refile tax returns' as if that's criminal and companies don't re-state or refile every all the time.

    Are you not familiar with the Uranium One story at all? It has been discussed on these boards previously.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/five-questions-about-the-clintons-and-a-uranium-company

    There are a number of transactions similar to this one where money flowed to the Clinton Foundation while decisions at State were being made. Hit the old google for more info on this story and others. Again...it reeks.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    So two people from the Clinton/Obama admins started a lobbying firm sometime between 2009 and 2012 (her time as Secy of state). Explain to me precisely how this lobbying firm played into specific State department decisions. Please be precise. The whole accusation is guilt by association.
    And then explain to me precisely what the Clinton Foundation has done wrong. And don't say 'refile tax returns' as if that's criminal and companies don't re-state or refile every all the time.

    Are you not familiar with the Uranium One story at all? It has been discussed on these boards previously.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/five-questions-about-the-clintons-and-a-uranium-company

    There are a number of transactions similar to this one where money flowed to the Clinton Foundation while decisions at State were being made. Hit the old google for more info on this story and others. Again...it reeks.
    I read the article thoroughly. Thanks for sharing. And I like the New Yorker. It generally has well articulated arguments. There are two key points that I always point back to when people accuse the foundation of being corrupt
    1. The MOU between the Admin and Clinton to recuse herself from business where it intermingles with the Foundation. A conservative watchdog recently filed an FOIA for internal records related to any objections to her participation by career diplomats, bureaucrats, etc. To date, only one objection has ever been filed.
    2. Any meaningful decision goes through multiple cabinet officers. For example, you don't sell arms without approval by the DOD/Sec of Defense. You don't do a mineral deal with Russia without Homeland Security and Interior signing off.

    The one area that gave me pause on this article is around the tax disclosures. Those are problematic. But that could be lots of things, including errors by the public accounting firms, etc. I'm not sure if there's a fire under that smoke or not. But in all, the article raises questions, it doesn't draw conclusions.

    I do appreciate that the author mentioned a few times about the work the the foundation does. It does tremendous work around the world for progressive causes. And you would be hard pressed to find a charity that uses a higher % of its contributions towards the actual causes, upwards of 80%.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,306
    edited April 2016
    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    Further evidence (not that it's needed) that Hillary is trying to buy this election: For $350,000 you can sit next to George Clooney at one of Hillary's fund raising event. Are millionaires and billionaires going to buy this election? Obviously that what Hillary wants. Is this what you want? Not me!


    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/24/hillary-clinton-demands-353k-fundraiser-sit-george/

    The following night, George Clooney is hosting another fundraiser with a $30,000 price tag. I'll find the link.

    http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/george-and-amal-clooney-co-hosting-34300-person-clinton-fundraiser-pro-israel-mega
    George is a great actor but, stupid as this may sound, it will taint my view of his work. I don't see how anyone can sell out to a (delete, delete, delete) like Hillary.

    Another thing that I don't believe has been addressed here is Hillary's ties to private prisons. Dr. Cornell West has spoken out on that. I'll have to see if I can find a link.
    I don't think Clooney is a good actor. George Clooney is good at playing George Clooney. He is the same character in every role. Good looking, good voice, and a devilish smile. And if you look at his IMDB, he has a half-ass resume.

    He would make an excellent politician.
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  • brianlux
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    Jason P said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    Further evidence (not that it's needed) that Hillary is trying to buy this election: For $350,000 you can sit next to George Clooney at one of Hillary's fund raising event. Are millionaires and billionaires going to buy this election? Obviously that what Hillary wants. Is this what you want? Not me!


    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/24/hillary-clinton-demands-353k-fundraiser-sit-george/

    The following night, George Clooney is hosting another fundraiser with a $30,000 price tag. I'll find the link.

    http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/george-and-amal-clooney-co-hosting-34300-person-clinton-fundraiser-pro-israel-mega
    George is a great actor but, stupid as this may sound, it will taint my view of his work. I don't see how anyone can sell out to a (delete, delete, delete) like Hillary.

    Another thing that I don't believe has been addressed here is Hillary's ties to private prisons. Dr. Cornell West has spoken out on that. I'll have to see if I can find a link.
    I don't think Clooney is a good actor. George Clooney is good at playing George Clooney. He is the same character in every role. Good looking, good voice, and a devilish smile. And if you look at his IMDB, he has a half-ass resume.

    He would make an excellent politician.
    Yeah, maybe he missed his calling, haha!
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
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    Jason P said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    Further evidence (not that it's needed) that Hillary is trying to buy this election: For $350,000 you can sit next to George Clooney at one of Hillary's fund raising event. Are millionaires and billionaires going to buy this election? Obviously that what Hillary wants. Is this what you want? Not me!


    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/24/hillary-clinton-demands-353k-fundraiser-sit-george/

    The following night, George Clooney is hosting another fundraiser with a $30,000 price tag. I'll find the link.

    http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/george-and-amal-clooney-co-hosting-34300-person-clinton-fundraiser-pro-israel-mega
    George is a great actor but, stupid as this may sound, it will taint my view of his work. I don't see how anyone can sell out to a (delete, delete, delete) like Hillary.

    Another thing that I don't believe has been addressed here is Hillary's ties to private prisons. Dr. Cornell West has spoken out on that. I'll have to see if I can find a link.
    I don't think Clooney is a good actor. George Clooney is good at playing George Clooney. He is the same character in every role. Good looking, good voice, and a devilish smile. And if you look at his IMDB, he has a half-ass resume.

    He would make an excellent politician.
    He probably would, but I think he's a pretty damn good actor too. He's been a lot of movies over the years where he was fantastic IMO.
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  • Jason P
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    I think Clooney will run for some type of office. I think his choice for his wife played into those aspirations.
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  • BS44325
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    Jason P said:

    I think Clooney will run for some type of office. I think his choice for his wife played into those aspirations.

    George Clooney does not smoke enough crack to receive my support.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    This is certainly interesting but I won't make a judgement as to whether it will "leave a mark".

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/08/source-no-coincidence-romanian-hacker-guccifer-extradited-amid-clinton-probe.html?intcmp=hpbt1
  • brianlux
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    PJ_Soul said:

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    Jason P said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    Further evidence (not that it's needed) that Hillary is trying to buy this election: For $350,000 you can sit next to George Clooney at one of Hillary's fund raising event. Are millionaires and billionaires going to buy this election? Obviously that what Hillary wants. Is this what you want? Not me!


    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/24/hillary-clinton-demands-353k-fundraiser-sit-george/

    The following night, George Clooney is hosting another fundraiser with a $30,000 price tag. I'll find the link.

    http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/george-and-amal-clooney-co-hosting-34300-person-clinton-fundraiser-pro-israel-mega
    George is a great actor but, stupid as this may sound, it will taint my view of his work. I don't see how anyone can sell out to a (delete, delete, delete) like Hillary.

    Another thing that I don't believe has been addressed here is Hillary's ties to private prisons. Dr. Cornell West has spoken out on that. I'll have to see if I can find a link.
    I don't think Clooney is a good actor. George Clooney is good at playing George Clooney. He is the same character in every role. Good looking, good voice, and a devilish smile. And if you look at his IMDB, he has a half-ass resume.

    He would make an excellent politician.
    He probably would, but I think he's a pretty damn good actor too. He's been a lot of movies over the years where he was fantastic IMO.
    He's stuff's been hit and miss for me but when he's on he's great:

    Oh Brother, Where Art Thou
    Monument Men
    Perfect Storm (perfect for that part)
    The Men Who Stare at Goats
    (a few others I can't think of now)

    Excellent narrator too.

    He's make a great mayor of some cool little Southern California town that serves up good margaritas.
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  • CH156378
    CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    I enjoy most his movies and like to watch him on reruns of Roseanne.
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