Hillary won more votes for President

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    First off, it's from employees who are free to contribute to whomever they wish. Second, they contributed to Bernie although in smaller numbers. Third, what they have given Hillary is 2% of the industry's total contribution. Fourth unless you live in a teepee, you are part of the problem too.

    And last, I would have expected you to have renounced your 10C membership by now since EV is no better than Clooney. Your morals aren't relative, are they?
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    This is why the "email" issue matters...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/04/04/was-an-asian-government-reading-hillary-clintons-emails-in-february-2009/

    IF national security was compromised because of her want to skirt government transparency rules then she will be disqualified for the presidency and will likely be on her way to prison.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,306
    I'm not sure the democratic base is in much better shape then the republican base after seeing some of the comments. Trump or Cruz might actually win this thing.
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  • Free
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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D6poD2EEN7w
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Jason P said:

    I'm not sure the democratic base is in much better shape then the republican base after seeing some of the comments. Trump or Cruz might actually win this thing.

    If both bases are fractured, it still favors the Democrats for two reasons 1. Trump's high (er than Clinton) negatives, particularly with women and 2. natural electoral advantages that Democrats have right now. I never say something can't happen, or the fundamentals can't change, but I still think the D is in a much better spot.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,306
    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    I'm not sure the democratic base is in much better shape then the republican base after seeing some of the comments. Trump or Cruz might actually win this thing.

    If both bases are fractured, it still favors the Democrats for two reasons 1. Trump's high (er than Clinton) negatives, particularly with women and 2. natural electoral advantages that Democrats have right now. I never say something can't happen, or the fundamentals can't change, but I still think the D is in a much better spot.
    I'm pretty sure Clinton would win but Sanders ... not so much. There are not enough college students and hippies spread about the middle states to make that happen
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  • mrussel1
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    Jason P said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    I'm not sure the democratic base is in much better shape then the republican base after seeing some of the comments. Trump or Cruz might actually win this thing.

    If both bases are fractured, it still favors the Democrats for two reasons 1. Trump's high (er than Clinton) negatives, particularly with women and 2. natural electoral advantages that Democrats have right now. I never say something can't happen, or the fundamentals can't change, but I still think the D is in a much better spot.
    I'm pretty sure Clinton would win but Sanders ... not so much. There are not enough college students and hippies spread about the middle states to make that happen
    I think a lot of people underestimate the amount of Red baiting that would happen in the general election once the super pacs start turning their sites on him. There hasn't been one negative ad, to my knowledge, run against Sanders so far. In fact, if you go to Drudge, Red State, NRO, Breitbart, etc. there are tons of anti-Hillary ads and articles. Zero on Bernie.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,306
    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    I'm not sure the democratic base is in much better shape then the republican base after seeing some of the comments. Trump or Cruz might actually win this thing.

    If both bases are fractured, it still favors the Democrats for two reasons 1. Trump's high (er than Clinton) negatives, particularly with women and 2. natural electoral advantages that Democrats have right now. I never say something can't happen, or the fundamentals can't change, but I still think the D is in a much better spot.
    I'm pretty sure Clinton would win but Sanders ... not so much. There are not enough college students and hippies spread about the middle states to make that happen
    I think a lot of people underestimate the amount of Red baiting that would happen in the general election once the super pacs start turning their sites on him. There hasn't been one negative ad, to my knowledge, run against Sanders so far. In fact, if you go to Drudge, Red State, NRO, Breitbart, etc. there are tons of anti-Hillary ads and articles. Zero on Bernie.
    Yeah, no way the GOP attacks him yet. They see him as the key to victory, where even Trump will come out on top. Getting rid of Clinton is key to the GOP.

    This would be the reaction of a GOP anti-Sanders strategist if he won the nomination ...

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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    I'm not sure the democratic base is in much better shape then the republican base after seeing some of the comments. Trump or Cruz might actually win this thing.

    If both bases are fractured, it still favors the Democrats for two reasons 1. Trump's high (er than Clinton) negatives, particularly with women and 2. natural electoral advantages that Democrats have right now. I never say something can't happen, or the fundamentals can't change, but I still think the D is in a much better spot.
    I'm pretty sure Clinton would win but Sanders ... not so much. There are not enough college students and hippies spread about the middle states to make that happen
    I think a lot of people underestimate the amount of Red baiting that would happen in the general election once the super pacs start turning their sites on him. There hasn't been one negative ad, to my knowledge, run against Sanders so far. In fact, if you go to Drudge, Red State, NRO, Breitbart, etc. there are tons of anti-Hillary ads and articles. Zero on Bernie.
    I think a lot of people overestimate the amount people care about Red baiting nowadays.
    I am 30, I have never met anyone my age of younger who bought into McCarthyism. We tend to think of people who use McCarthyisms as weirdo extremists.
    If you say commie, pinko, or you can't say socialist without a snarl, anybody under 35 is going to laugh at you like your the cover of a Donna Summers album.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    rgambs said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    I'm not sure the democratic base is in much better shape then the republican base after seeing some of the comments. Trump or Cruz might actually win this thing.

    If both bases are fractured, it still favors the Democrats for two reasons 1. Trump's high (er than Clinton) negatives, particularly with women and 2. natural electoral advantages that Democrats have right now. I never say something can't happen, or the fundamentals can't change, but I still think the D is in a much better spot.
    I'm pretty sure Clinton would win but Sanders ... not so much. There are not enough college students and hippies spread about the middle states to make that happen
    I think a lot of people underestimate the amount of Red baiting that would happen in the general election once the super pacs start turning their sites on him. There hasn't been one negative ad, to my knowledge, run against Sanders so far. In fact, if you go to Drudge, Red State, NRO, Breitbart, etc. there are tons of anti-Hillary ads and articles. Zero on Bernie.
    I think a lot of people overestimate the amount people care about Red baiting nowadays.
    I am 30, I have never met anyone my age of younger who bought into McCarthyism. We tend to think of people who use McCarthyisms as weirdo extremists.
    If you say commie, pinko, or you can't say socialist without a snarl, anybody under 35 is going to laugh at you like your the cover of a Donna Summers album.
    You're right, but for everyone over 40 it was ingrained. And remember, the older you are, the more likely you are to vote. He will get clobbered with ads on the Sandanistas, compliments about Castro, his honeymoon to the Soviet Union, etc. Will it work for everyone? Of course not. Will it work on moderates or true swing voters? Maybe. But you can be sure it will happen.

    It is important to note that McCarythism was outcast as fringe in the 50's when his credibility was destroyed. But anti-Red stuff continued well into the 90's.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,306
    Except it's not McCarthism. Sanders has called himself a socialist. He's not getting framed.
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  • Free
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    Hillary got a whopping 2,400 to come to her rally last night. While Bernie packs in tens of thousands.

    http://cbs6albany.com/news/local/hillary-clinton-to-visit-cohoes-for-campaign-event
  • Gern Blansten
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    Jason P said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    I'm not sure the democratic base is in much better shape then the republican base after seeing some of the comments. Trump or Cruz might actually win this thing.

    If both bases are fractured, it still favors the Democrats for two reasons 1. Trump's high (er than Clinton) negatives, particularly with women and 2. natural electoral advantages that Democrats have right now. I never say something can't happen, or the fundamentals can't change, but I still think the D is in a much better spot.
    I'm pretty sure Clinton would win but Sanders ... not so much. There are not enough college students and hippies spread about the middle states to make that happen
    I think a lot of people underestimate the amount of Red baiting that would happen in the general election once the super pacs start turning their sites on him. There hasn't been one negative ad, to my knowledge, run against Sanders so far. In fact, if you go to Drudge, Red State, NRO, Breitbart, etc. there are tons of anti-Hillary ads and articles. Zero on Bernie.
    Yeah, no way the GOP attacks him yet. They see him as the key to victory, where even Trump will come out on top. Getting rid of Clinton is key to the GOP.

    This would be the reaction of a GOP anti-Sanders strategist if he won the nomination ...

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    Polling shows a massive dem victory whether it's Sanders or Clinton.
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  • mrussel1
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    Gern Blansten said:

    Jason P said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    I'm not sure the democratic base is in much better shape then the republican base after seeing some of the comments. Trump or Cruz might actually win this thing.

    If both bases are fractured, it still favors the Democrats for two reasons 1. Trump's high (er than Clinton) negatives, particularly with women and 2. natural electoral advantages that Democrats have right now. I never say something can't happen, or the fundamentals can't change, but I still think the D is in a much better spot.
    I'm pretty sure Clinton would win but Sanders ... not so much. There are not enough college students and hippies spread about the middle states to make that happen
    I think a lot of people underestimate the amount of Red baiting that would happen in the general election once the super pacs start turning their sites on him. There hasn't been one negative ad, to my knowledge, run against Sanders so far. In fact, if you go to Drudge, Red State, NRO, Breitbart, etc. there are tons of anti-Hillary ads and articles. Zero on Bernie.
    Yeah, no way the GOP attacks him yet. They see him as the key to victory, where even Trump will come out on top. Getting rid of Clinton is key to the GOP.

    This would be the reaction of a GOP anti-Sanders strategist if he won the nomination ...

    image
    Polling shows a massive dem victory whether it's Sanders or Clinton.
    My point is that the Sanders numbers will tighten up since he hasn't been defined yet. Remember that turnout for the primaries has been quite small. I think between the two parties, it's 28% on average (17% (R), 11% (D)) For the general it should be between 55-63% of EVs. Most normal people just aren't paying that close of attention yet.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,306
    Gern Blansten said:

    Jason P said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    I'm not sure the democratic base is in much better shape then the republican base after seeing some of the comments. Trump or Cruz might actually win this thing.

    If both bases are fractured, it still favors the Democrats for two reasons 1. Trump's high (er than Clinton) negatives, particularly with women and 2. natural electoral advantages that Democrats have right now. I never say something can't happen, or the fundamentals can't change, but I still think the D is in a much better spot.
    I'm pretty sure Clinton would win but Sanders ... not so much. There are not enough college students and hippies spread about the middle states to make that happen
    I think a lot of people underestimate the amount of Red baiting that would happen in the general election once the super pacs start turning their sites on him. There hasn't been one negative ad, to my knowledge, run against Sanders so far. In fact, if you go to Drudge, Red State, NRO, Breitbart, etc. there are tons of anti-Hillary ads and articles. Zero on Bernie.
    Yeah, no way the GOP attacks him yet. They see him as the key to victory, where even Trump will come out on top. Getting rid of Clinton is key to the GOP.

    This would be the reaction of a GOP anti-Sanders strategist if he won the nomination ...

    image
    Polling shows a massive dem victory whether it's Sanders or Clinton.
    Election is many months away and the attacks on Sanders have yet to begin.
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  • Free
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    • Here is Hillary Clinton explicitly saying she is against a $15 federal minimum wage just a few months ago: http://ow.ly/2bwTw5

    • Here is HRC yesterday celebrating with Gov. Cuomo New York's $15 victory (with strings & betrayals attached): http://ow.ly/2bwTw6

    New York knows who our real champion has been, and New York will let Hillary know on April 19th.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Free said:

    • Here is Hillary Clinton explicitly saying she is against a $15 federal minimum wage just a few months ago: http://ow.ly/2bwTw5

    • Here is HRC yesterday celebrating with Gov. Cuomo New York's $15 victory (with strings & betrayals attached): http://ow.ly/2bwTw6

    New York knows who our real champion has been, and New York will let Hillary know on April 19th.

    Use your brain for just a minute. She supports a $12 Federal (read NATIONWIDE where costs of living are DIFFERENT) and for states to raise the number to what is a fair wage for their state. Just can't go below $12. If you asked her if she supported CA raising their number to 15 or Seattle, I'm fairly sure she would say 'of course'. She's also in favor of Iowa, AR, KY, TN and states that have lower costs of living not be burdened with a wage that will cost jobs. Sorry that nuance and context is part of the real world, but it is. Obama supports $10 last time I checked.
  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    thumped again.
    Thanks lil Debbie Wasserman-Schultz for riggin this thing.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    rssesq said:

    thumped again.
    Thanks lil Debbie Wasserman-Schultz for riggin this thing.

    You mean Sanders campaign manager Ted Devine, who is the one who created the superdelegate system in 1980 to prevent another George McGovern. Knowledge is power.
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,422
    mrussel1 said:

    rssesq said:

    thumped again.
    Thanks lil Debbie Wasserman-Schultz for riggin this thing.

    You mean Sanders campaign manager Ted Devine, who is the one who created the superdelegate system in 1980 to prevent another George McGovern. Knowledge is power.
    Just to be clear....

    Jeff Weaver is the campaign manager for the Sanders campaign.

    Tad Devine is senior campaign strategist. And every presidential campaign he has worked on has lost!
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