Hillary won more votes for President

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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    This is crazy...now Salon is saying a vote for Hillary is a vote for fascism

    http://www.salon.com/2016/03/21/democrats_you_cant_vote_for_hillary_the_case_for_writing_in_bernie_sanders_if_hillary_clinton_is_the_nominee/

    It seems that nobody is happy with the options before them.

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    edited March 2016
    BS44325 said:

    This is crazy...now Salon is saying a vote for Hillary is a vote for fascism

    http://www.salon.com/2016/03/21/democrats_you_cant_vote_for_hillary_the_case_for_writing_in_bernie_sanders_if_hillary_clinton_is_the_nominee/

    It seems that nobody is happy with the options before them.

    This article is delusional on so many levels:.

    1. Has the author not heard of 'executive orders'? A fair amount of Trump's policies could move through EO's and then they fight it for months or years up to the SCOTUS
    2. I would encourage the author to look up the definition of fascist. He apparently thinks it has something to do with international policy. It doesn't.
    3. He's going to write a letter to the DNC imploring them to examine her? That seems useful.
    4. Bill Kristol would rather see Hillary than Trump, ergo she is going to have neocons in her admin. Nice critical analysis there.
    5. Talking to Kissinger makes you a war criminal. Well wtf... If I interviewed McNamara and had deep conversations, does that make me a war criminal?
    6. Four years of Trump will give us eight years of Dems...Okay, who would that be? Sanders at 77? Elizabeth Warren who doesn't have a clue about international politics?
    Post edited by mrussel1 on
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,452
    edited March 2016
    rssesq said:

    did "OUR" candidates where their kippahs when they sold out today?

    Maybe you should answer my question from above before asking any more of your own. ...

    What was point of this....

    Lloyd Blankfein, the entire Federal Reserve and soon to be 4 of 5 Supreme Court justices. For a 3% population, that aint to shabby. Laugh or you might wanna cry.<\b>

  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    i'm $250 an hour, send a retainer son
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883

    rssesq said:

    did "OUR" candidates where their kippahs when they sold out today?

    Maybe you should answer my question from above before asking any more of your own. ...

    What was point of this....

    Lloyd Blankfein, the entire Federal Reserve and soon to be 4 of 5 Supreme Court justices. For a 3% population, that aint to shabby. Laugh or you might wanna cry.<\b>

    I didn't know we only had five justices. This is even bigger news than what you're after..
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,452
    edited March 2016
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    Post edited by Bentleyspop on
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    This is crazy...now Salon is saying a vote for Hillary is a vote for fascism

    http://www.salon.com/2016/03/21/democrats_you_cant_vote_for_hillary_the_case_for_writing_in_bernie_sanders_if_hillary_clinton_is_the_nominee/

    It seems that nobody is happy with the options before them.

    This article is delusional on so many levels:.

    1. Has the author not heard of 'executive orders'? A fair amount of Trump's policies could move through EO's and then they fight it for months or years up to the SCOTUS
    2. I would encourage the author to look up the definition of fascist. He apparently thinks it has something to do with international policy. It doesn't.
    3. He's going to write a letter to the DNC imploring them to examine her? That seems useful.
    4. Bill Kristol would rather see Hillary than Trump, ergo she is going to have neocons in her admin. Nice critical analysis there.
    5. Talking to Kissinger makes you a war criminal. Well wtf... If I interviewed McNamara and had deep conversations, does that make me a war criminal?
    6. Four years of Trump will give us eight years of Dems...Okay, who would that be? Sanders at 77? Elizabeth Warren who doesn't have a clue about international politics?
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    my bad, 46% (4 of 9). Representative Gov, lmao.
    Why does Bloomberg, Schumer, MSNBC and the whole lot want to strip Americans of their 2nd amendment right?
    Nothing to see her kids, keep it movin.

    At least Bernie was a no show for the asskissin party goin on in DC.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    edited March 2016
    rssesq said:

    my bad, 46% (4 of 9). Representative Gov, lmao.
    Why does Bloomberg, Schumer, MSNBC and the whole lot want to strip Americans of their 2nd amendment right?
    Nothing to see her kids, keep it movin.

    At least Bernie was a no show for the asskissin party goin on in DC.

    Bernie asked to do his speech via video rather than in person. It was declined as they don't allow that typically.

    Are you saying that 4/9 is not representative of the tribal makeup of this country, or that the SCOTUS in general is not representative considering a co-equal branch of government has only 9 people.
    Post edited by mrussel1 on
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited March 2016
    BS44325 said:

    This is crazy...now Salon is saying a vote for Hillary is a vote for fascism

    http://www.salon.com/2016/03/21/democrats_you_cant_vote_for_hillary_the_case_for_writing_in_bernie_sanders_if_hillary_clinton_is_the_nominee/

    It seems that nobody is happy with the options before them.

    The options before us this November: the US has taken a nasty wet hangover shit
    Option 1: wipe ass with left BARE hand
    Option 2: wipe ass with right BARE hand


    Post edited by JC29856 on
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:

    rssesq said:

    my bad, 46% (4 of 9). Representative Gov, lmao.
    Why does Bloomberg, Schumer, MSNBC and the whole lot want to strip Americans of their 2nd amendment right?
    Nothing to see her kids, keep it movin.

    At least Bernie was a no show for the asskissin party goin on in DC.

    Bernie asked to do his speech via video rather than in person. It was declined as they don't allow that typically.

    Are you saying that 4/9 is not representative of the tribal makeup of this country, or that the SCOTUS in general is not representative considering a co-equal branch of government has only 9 people.
    They don't allow it? Or they do allow it?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    rssesq said:

    my bad, 46% (4 of 9). Representative Gov, lmao.
    Why does Bloomberg, Schumer, MSNBC and the whole lot want to strip Americans of their 2nd amendment right?
    Nothing to see her kids, keep it movin.

    At least Bernie was a no show for the asskissin party goin on in DC.

    Bernie asked to do his speech via video rather than in person. It was declined as they don't allow that typically.

    Are you saying that 4/9 is not representative of the tribal makeup of this country, or that the SCOTUS in general is not representative considering a co-equal branch of government has only 9 people.
    They don't allow it? Or they do allow it?
    According to what I read, AIPAC requires you to be there if you want to address the body. Can't do it remotely in any way.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited March 2016
    Critics Aghast at 'Disgusting Speech' Clinton Just Gave to AIPAC

    Democratic presidential candidate speech praises "everything that is bad about Israeli policy and U.S. imperialism"


    Hillary Clinton told the powerful AIPAC lobby on Monday that if elected president one of her first actions would be to invite Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to the White House.


    Palestinian and human rights advocates were aghast over remarks made by Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton at the annual American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) convention on Monday, saying the her speech represented "everything that is bad" with U.S. imperialism and policy in the Middle East.

    During the address, Clinton vowed to take the U.S.-Israel relationship to "the next level"—a level which seemingly includes more war and imperialism, few, if any, rights for Palestinians, and definitely no economic boycotts of Israel.

    "Has even one single Clinton supporter denounced the disgusting speech she gave today?"
    —Glenn GreenwaldStriking a hawkish tone, Clinton warned the powerful lobby group against rival candidates who want to "outsource Middle East security to dictators" and "cede the mantle of leadership for global peace and security," and instead vowed even more "security and intelligence cooperation."

    "As president, I will make a firm commitment to ensure Israel maintains its qualitative military edge," she said. "The United States should provide Israel with the most sophisticated defense technology so it can deter and stop any threats. That includes bolstering Israeli missile defenses with new systems like the Arrow Three and David’s Sling. And we should work together to develop better tunnel detection, technology to prevent armed smuggling, kidnapping and terrorist attacks."

    As observers noted, as she ran down the list of "evolving threats," the former U.S. secretary of state resorted to common neoconservative talking points, declaring:

    As we gather here, three evolving threats — Iran’s continued aggression, a rising tide of extremism across a wide arc of instability, and the growing effort to de-legitimize Israel on the world stage — are converging to make the U.S.-Israel alliance more indispensable than ever.

    We have to combat all these trends with even more intense security and diplomatic cooperation. The United States and Israel must be closer than ever, stronger than ever and more determined than ever to prevail against our common adversaries and to advance our shared values.

    Touting her "deep, personal commitment" to the "Jewish state," Clinton then said that "one of the first things I’ll do in office is invite Israeli Prime Minister [Benjamin Netanyahu] to visit the White House."

    The speech proved that, on matters of Israel, Clinton is "running to the right" of GOP front-runner Donald Trump, as noted by Mondoweiss' Philip Weiss, who wrote that the remarks were "filled with red meat for Israel supporters" and "contained scant reference to the peace process."

    Later, Clinton doubled down on her previous pledge to dismantle the growing international Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement, linking the campaign against Palestinian apartheid to anti-Semitism, saying "we must repudiate all efforts to malign, isolate and undermine Israel and the Jewish people."

    "I’ve been sounding the alarm for a while now," Clinton continued. "As I wrote last year in a letter to the heads of major American Jewish organizations, we have to be united in fighting back against BDS."

    Clinton then specifically called on young people "on the front lines" to resist efforts to boycott Israel, saying: "I hope you stay strong. Keep speaking out. Don’t let anyone silence you, bully you or try to shut down debate" —to which Naomi Dann, media correspondent for Jewish Voice for Peace, responded:


    More at link.
    Post edited by Free on
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    Free said:

    Critics Aghast at 'Disgusting Speech' Clinton Just Gave to AIPAC

    Democratic presidential candidate speech praises "everything that is bad about Israeli policy and U.S. imperialism"



    Hillary Clinton told the powerful AIPAC lobby on Monday that if elected president one of her first actions would be to invite Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to the White House.


    Palestinian and human rights advocates were aghast over remarks made by Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton at the annual American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) convention on Monday, saying the her speech represented "everything that is bad" with U.S. imperialism and policy in the Middle East.

    During the address, Clinton vowed to take the U.S.-Israel relationship to "the next level"—a level which seemingly includes more war and imperialism, few, if any, rights for Palestinians, and definitely no economic boycotts of Israel.

    "Has even one single Clinton supporter denounced the disgusting speech she gave today?"
    —Glenn GreenwaldStriking a hawkish tone, Clinton warned the powerful lobby group against rival candidates who want to "outsource Middle East security to dictators" and "cede the mantle of leadership for global peace and security," and instead vowed even more "security and intelligence cooperation."

    "As president, I will make a firm commitment to ensure Israel maintains its qualitative military edge," she said. "The United States should provide Israel with the most sophisticated defense technology so it can deter and stop any threats. That includes bolstering Israeli missile defenses with new systems like the Arrow Three and David’s Sling. And we should work together to develop better tunnel detection, technology to prevent armed smuggling, kidnapping and terrorist attacks."

    As observers noted, as she ran down the list of "evolving threats," the former U.S. secretary of state resorted to common neoconservative talking points, declaring:

    As we gather here, three evolving threats — Iran’s continued aggression, a rising tide of extremism across a wide arc of instability, and the growing effort to de-legitimize Israel on the world stage — are converging to make the U.S.-Israel alliance more indispensable than ever.

    We have to combat all these trends with even more intense security and diplomatic cooperation. The United States and Israel must be closer than ever, stronger than ever and more determined than ever to prevail against our common adversaries and to advance our shared values.

    Touting her "deep, personal commitment" to the "Jewish state," Clinton then said that "one of the first things I’ll do in office is invite Israeli Prime Minister [Benjamin Netanyahu] to visit the White House."

    The speech proved that, on matters of Israel, Clinton is "running to the right" of GOP front-runner Donald Trump, as noted by Mondoweiss' Philip Weiss, who wrote that the remarks were "filled with red meat for Israel supporters" and "contained scant reference to the peace process."

    Later, Clinton doubled down on her previous pledge to dismantle the growing international Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement, linking the campaign against Palestinian apartheid to anti-Semitism, saying "we must repudiate all efforts to malign, isolate and undermine Israel and the Jewish people."

    "I’ve been sounding the alarm for a while now," Clinton continued. "As I wrote last year in a letter to the heads of major American Jewish organizations, we have to be united in fighting back against BDS."

    Clinton then specifically called on young people "on the front lines" to resist efforts to boycott Israel, saying: "I hope you stay strong. Keep speaking out. Don’t let anyone silence you, bully you or try to shut down debate" —to which Naomi Dann, media correspondent for Jewish Voice for Peace, responded:


    More at link.

    I've done you the favor of putting in bold the hyperbole in the paragraph, so you can easily distinguish fact from opinion. When you remove that, can you tell me the parts where you are 'aghast'?
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:

    Critics Aghast at 'Disgusting Speech' Clinton Just Gave to AIPAC

    Democratic presidential candidate speech praises "everything that is bad about Israeli policy and U.S. imperialism"



    Hillary Clinton told the powerful AIPAC lobby on Monday that if elected president one of her first actions would be to invite Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to the White House.


    Palestinian and human rights advocates were aghast over remarks made by Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton at the annual American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) convention on Monday, saying the her speech represented "everything that is bad" with U.S. imperialism and policy in the Middle East.

    During the address, Clinton vowed to take the U.S.-Israel relationship to "the next level"—a level which seemingly includes more war and imperialism, few, if any, rights for Palestinians, and definitely no economic boycotts of Israel.

    "Has even one single Clinton supporter denounced the disgusting speech she gave today?"
    —Glenn GreenwaldStriking a hawkish tone, Clinton warned the powerful lobby group against rival candidates who want to "outsource Middle East security to dictators" and "cede the mantle of leadership for global peace and security," and instead vowed even more "security and intelligence cooperation."

    "As president, I will make a firm commitment to ensure Israel maintains its qualitative military edge," she said. "The United States should provide Israel with the most sophisticated defense technology so it can deter and stop any threats. That includes bolstering Israeli missile defenses with new systems like the Arrow Three and David’s Sling. And we should work together to develop better tunnel detection, technology to prevent armed smuggling, kidnapping and terrorist attacks."

    As observers noted, as she ran down the list of "evolving threats," the former U.S. secretary of state resorted to common neoconservative talking points, declaring:

    As we gather here, three evolving threats — Iran’s continued aggression, a rising tide of extremism across a wide arc of instability, and the growing effort to de-legitimize Israel on the world stage — are converging to make the U.S.-Israel alliance more indispensable than ever.

    We have to combat all these trends with even more intense security and diplomatic cooperation. The United States and Israel must be closer than ever, stronger than ever and more determined than ever to prevail against our common adversaries and to advance our shared values.

    Touting her "deep, personal commitment" to the "Jewish state," Clinton then said that "one of the first things I’ll do in office is invite Israeli Prime Minister [Benjamin Netanyahu] to visit the White House."

    The speech proved that, on matters of Israel, Clinton is "running to the right" of GOP front-runner Donald Trump, as noted by Mondoweiss' Philip Weiss, who wrote that the remarks were "filled with red meat for Israel supporters" and "contained scant reference to the peace process."

    Later, Clinton doubled down on her previous pledge to dismantle the growing international Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement, linking the campaign against Palestinian apartheid to anti-Semitism, saying "we must repudiate all efforts to malign, isolate and undermine Israel and the Jewish people."

    "I’ve been sounding the alarm for a while now," Clinton continued. "As I wrote last year in a letter to the heads of major American Jewish organizations, we have to be united in fighting back against BDS."

    Clinton then specifically called on young people "on the front lines" to resist efforts to boycott Israel, saying: "I hope you stay strong. Keep speaking out. Don’t let anyone silence you, bully you or try to shut down debate" —to which Naomi Dann, media correspondent for Jewish Voice for Peace, responded:


    More at link.
    I've done you the favor of putting in bold the hyperbole in the paragraph, so you can easily distinguish fact from opinion. When you remove that, can you tell me the parts where you are 'aghast'?

    Might as well just link the whole speech so people can hear it for themselves

    http://youtu.be/QSjwRMvbmCI

    The BDS part is from about 8:30 - 10:20

    Pretty hard hitting.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    ^and rightfully so. BDS has a strong anti-Semitic strain throughout and she is right about Europe and other parts of the globe. Anti-Semitsm is on the rise, which is common during times of economic crisis, particularly in Europe. I'm no friend of neo-cons and you and I have gone at it here, but I support a Jewish state and a Palestinian state and I would oppose any attempt to de-legitimize either group.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall;
    Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality; and
    Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    BDS

    What options are there when a county ignores the UN, ignores international law, ignores conditions of signed treaties or refuses to sign treaties and can't get along with any of its neighbors?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    JC29856 said:

    BDS

    What options are there when a county ignores the UN, ignores international law, ignores conditions of signed treaties or refuses to sign treaties and can't get along with any of its neighbors?

    I'm no Israel apologist, but you are ignoring the massive security issues, the Six Day War and everything that had happened since 1946. No country should be obligated to make its security subservient to a UN Resolution. We in the States would not.
  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    did u hear Cruz? he wants to arrest those involved in BDS. It's like Canada 'round here. lmao
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/195302
    YAH FOR CENSORSHIP

    I guess he musta had DerSHOWitz as his Con Law professor, or else he took Canadian Con Law 101. lol
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