voter id requirements
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Apparently sorgambs said:
I took it in a lighter tone than that, as though dignin was actually interested in her opinion...internets make communications Liu difficile!JC29856 said:
Of all the horse shit posts in this forum you decide to call that one out?dignin said:
Have anything to add to the discussion?hedonist said:Jimmy, I really appreciate your open-mindedness on this issue - not to mention other ones.
That is all!
If you're the relevance police then you been doing a shitty job lately.
dignin, your initial comment didn't come off as you said above, so thanks for clarifying.
This issue has bled into other threads, so I'm not sure if my posts are in this one or others. But I have tossed a nickel or three into the discussion.
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Hahaha muy difficile veridad!hedonist said:
Apparently sorgambs said:
I took it in a lighter tone than that, as though dignin was actually interested in her opinion...internets make communications Liu difficile!JC29856 said:
Of all the horse shit posts in this forum you decide to call that one out?dignin said:
Have anything to add to the discussion?hedonist said:Jimmy, I really appreciate your open-mindedness on this issue - not to mention other ones.
That is all!
If you're the relevance police then you been doing a shitty job lately.
dignin, your initial comment didn't come off as you said above, so thanks for clarifying.
This issue has bled into other threads, so I'm not sure if my posts are in this one or others. But I have tossed a nickel or three into the discussion.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Ok, my bad apologies. Have you read thru all of the posts?dignin said:
If you haven't noticed I don't engage with the trolls around here. And I don't troll, so if I ask a question, I mean it.JC29856 said:
Of all the horse shit posts in this forum you decide to call that one out?dignin said:
Have anything to add to the discussion?hedonist said:Jimmy, I really appreciate your open-mindedness on this issue - not to mention other ones.
That is all!
If you're the relevance police then you been doing a shitty job lately.
I'll ADD this, except for maybe 1 or 2 on here I don't keep mental track recordsPost edited by JC29856 on0 -
No prob.JC29856 said:
Ok, my bad apologies. Have you read thru all of the posts?dignin said:
If you haven't noticed I don't engage with the trolls around here. And I don't troll, so if I ask a question, I mean it.JC29856 said:
Of all the horse shit posts in this forum you decide to call that one out?dignin said:
Have anything to add to the discussion?hedonist said:Jimmy, I really appreciate your open-mindedness on this issue - not to mention other ones.
That is all!
If you're the relevance police then you been doing a shitty job lately.
I'll ADD this, except for maybe 1 or 2 on here I don't keep mental track records
I have read through most of the posts in this thread. Hedo at that time thought it reasonable to show id to vote, but that was 4 years ago and I was curious if that opinion had changed given the info since.
I think it's important to be flexible in a position when evidence challenges that position.0 -
We have the same issues here in Canada. Thankfully the disenfranchised rose up last election.
Anger at Stephen Harper, disenfranchisement fuelled aboriginal voter turnout, say activists
Some communities saw voter turnout up by 270 per cent
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/aboriginal-vote-disenfranchisement-harper-1.32880100 -
Bad back has hindered my physical flexibility but my mind's still there and open.dignin said:
No prob.JC29856 said:
Ok, my bad apologies. Have you read thru all of the posts?dignin said:
If you haven't noticed I don't engage with the trolls around here. And I don't troll, so if I ask a question, I mean it.JC29856 said:
Of all the horse shit posts in this forum you decide to call that one out?dignin said:
Have anything to add to the discussion?hedonist said:Jimmy, I really appreciate your open-mindedness on this issue - not to mention other ones.
That is all!
If you're the relevance police then you been doing a shitty job lately.
I'll ADD this, except for maybe 1 or 2 on here I don't keep mental track records
I have read through most of the posts in this thread. Hedo at that time thought it reasonable to show id to vote, but that was 4 years ago and I was curious if that opinion had changed given the info since.
I think it's important to be flexible in a position when evidence challenges that position.
Like I said, I've chimed in recently (I guess they are in other current threads?). I'm just not inclined to search them out as they're there. Y'all feel free to have at it
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Has anyone here argued that Republican conduct on this issue isn't suspect or that voter ID fraud is rampant? Does anyone here want to make that argument? Because through two threads now I have seen that argument consistently refuted but I am yet to see anyone actually make it. If you are out there I would be interested to hear from you. Maybe I've just missed it.___________________________________________
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That would be the only reason to provide id while voting. What other conclusion is there?JimmyV said:Has anyone here argued that Republican conduct on this issue isn't suspect or that voter ID fraud is rampant? Does anyone here want to make that argument? Because through two threads now I have seen that argument consistently refuted but I am yet to see anyone actually make it. If you are out there I would be interested to hear from you. Maybe I've just missed it.
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If people are making that argument let's hear from them.dignin said:
That would be the only reason to provide id while voting. What other conclusion is there?JimmyV said:Has anyone here argued that Republican conduct on this issue isn't suspect or that voter ID fraud is rampant? Does anyone here want to make that argument? Because through two threads now I have seen that argument consistently refuted but I am yet to see anyone actually make it. If you are out there I would be interested to hear from you. Maybe I've just missed it.
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I think the point is that in the absence of that argument, and with voter disenfranchisement an accepted, inevitable result, there is no reason to initiate the ID process.JimmyV said:
If people are making that argument let's hear from them.dignin said:
That would be the only reason to provide id while voting. What other conclusion is there?JimmyV said:Has anyone here argued that Republican conduct on this issue isn't suspect or that voter ID fraud is rampant? Does anyone here want to make that argument? Because through two threads now I have seen that argument consistently refuted but I am yet to see anyone actually make it. If you are out there I would be interested to hear from you. Maybe I've just missed it.
"Because it is logical" is not a strong enough answer to the question of "why" when faced with the near certainty of voter disenfranchisement.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
I don't agree that if the system is truly fixed - as we have previously discussed - that there is anything close to a near certainty or even a likelihood that voters will be disenfranchised. What the Republicans are doing is disgusting, but that isn't an inherent problem with voter ID. It goes to a larger problem of voter suppression. I look at a system where ID's are easily obtained and free and I see presenting one at the polling place as being no different than registering to vote. We have controls in place and this feels like a natural extension of them.rgambs said:
I think the point is that in the absence of that argument, and with voter disenfranchisement an accepted, inevitable result, there is no reason to initiate the ID process.JimmyV said:
If people are making that argument let's hear from them.dignin said:
That would be the only reason to provide id while voting. What other conclusion is there?JimmyV said:Has anyone here argued that Republican conduct on this issue isn't suspect or that voter ID fraud is rampant? Does anyone here want to make that argument? Because through two threads now I have seen that argument consistently refuted but I am yet to see anyone actually make it. If you are out there I would be interested to hear from you. Maybe I've just missed it.
"Because it is logical" is not a strong enough answer to the question of "why" when faced with the near certainty of voter disenfranchisement.
At my polling place there is literally a collection of older people with books filled with large print checking people in. They are very sweet and I enjoy my interactions with them on voting day greatly. But every time they get older and every time the print in the book gets bigger and easier to read. Who on my street has voted and with which party's ballot, and who has not. And each time my mother's name, who hasn't lived in Massachusetts since 2008 and who has been registered in Florida since 2008, can clearly be seen as still being registered to vote here in Precint H. Each time I walk out thinking this is something we could do better.
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Again though...if anyone here is under the belief that the GOP is acting in good faith or that there are legions of people committing voter ID fraud, please do speak up.___________________________________________
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I'm trying really hard to figure out your side of this. I just don't know what argument you are trying to make for voter id. If you don't think voter fraud is a problem then why make a "fix" to a problem that doesn't exist?JimmyV said:
If people are making that argument let's hear from them.dignin said:
That would be the only reason to provide id while voting. What other conclusion is there?JimmyV said:Has anyone here argued that Republican conduct on this issue isn't suspect or that voter ID fraud is rampant? Does anyone here want to make that argument? Because through two threads now I have seen that argument consistently refuted but I am yet to see anyone actually make it. If you are out there I would be interested to hear from you. Maybe I've just missed it.
Or do you think it is a problem, just a very small problem? But a problem that should require millions of people to provide id to stop maybe..... maybe, a handful of idiots, from pretending to be someone who they are not, to vote.
We should be taking down barriers to vote, not putting up more.
Edit: I see rgambs has basically asked what I am asking and you have answered.
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Amazing that some are troll prank calling and troll prank emailing those hotlines to tie up the resource. I wonder who is behind that? GOPFree said:
Forgot to mention that falsely using voter id laws is a convenient by product that helos the effort to turn away votes.Post edited by JC29856 on0 -
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Who benefits more from shrinking the electorate in Michigan today: the Republicans who are locked in four or five way contest or the former Democratic Secretary of State?JC29856 said:
Amazing that some are troll prank calling and troll prank emailing those hotlines to tie up the resource. I wonder who is behind that? GOPFree said:
Forgot to mention that falsely using voter id laws is a convenient by product that helos the effort to turn away votes.
If this is indeed going on then it is no coincidence Sanders is the one calling attention to it.___________________________________________
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Millions and millions of eligible Americans don't have an adequate form of legal ID actually, and a majority of them are African American. As many as 25% of them don't, according to various sources. I totally believe that Republicans are trying to decrease votes with this..hedonist said:It never occurred to me as a conspiracy to reduce democratic votes.
It just seems like common sense and wise practice - I mean, who doesn't have a form of legal ID (assuming one is of legal citizenry)?
Why would it be considered over-the-top to show up at your polling place, declare "I'm so-and-so and I'm here to vote", and then be asked to confirm that you actually ARE so-and-so?With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
This is interesting. Can you post some links to this please.PJ_Soul said:
Millions and millions of eligible Americans don't have an adequate form of legal ID actually, and a majority of them are African American. As many as 25% of them don't, according to various sources. I totally believe that Republicans are trying to decrease votes with this..hedonist said:It never occurred to me as a conspiracy to reduce democratic votes.
It just seems like common sense and wise practice - I mean, who doesn't have a form of legal ID (assuming one is of legal citizenry)?
Why would it be considered over-the-top to show up at your polling place, declare "I'm so-and-so and I'm here to vote", and then be asked to confirm that you actually ARE so-and-so?
I would never think that millions don't have ID. That's crazy.0 -
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