voter id requirements

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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    prism wrote:
    i know, and that's what i meant. if someone's most recent DL or State ID has expired, in order to obtain a new/current state ID a person is still required to show the DMV a birth certificate AND things like as a passport, ss card or utility bills in addition. a person can't just walk in to the DMV and say 'here's $20...give me a State ID'

    Oh alright, sorry.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    prism wrote:
    i know, and that's what i meant. if someone's most recent DL or State ID has expired, in order to obtain a new/current state ID a person is still required to show the DMV a birth certificate AND things like as a passport, ss card or utility bills in addition. a person can't just walk in to the DMV and say 'here's $20...give me a State ID'

    Oh alright, sorry.
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    Also... the DMV fucking SUCKS. Who wants to have to spend a day in line in that place unless you absolutely have to.
    ...
    Also... what about absentee votes? how are those things verified? It's not like you have to have a notary validat it... you fill it out, plop a stamp in it and drop it in th mail box. Who is checking those?
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Looks like we already have a thread on this topic, so let's get it rolling again.

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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    My question
    Why are there different state by state rules for a federal election?
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    JC29856 said:

    My question
    Why are there different state by state rules for a federal election?

    Arguably there is no such thing as a federal election. Each state runs their own show.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,546
    I hope no one thinks you have to carry ID, or even are required to have an ID in the U.S.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    dignin said:

    Looks like we already have a thread on this topic, so let's get it rolling again.

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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Go Beavers said:

    I hope no one thinks you have to carry ID, or even are required to have an ID in the U.S.

    Very true. But there are plenty of things that if you want to do you are required to show ID. Getting on a plane, buying alcohol, receiving certain medications, etc. I certainly don't want anyone buying firearms without ID.

    Voting is a right, but it's a right you need to register for in advance in order to exercise. Requiring voters to prove they are who they say they are, to me, seems like common sense.

    The problem of ID being expensive and/or hard to acquire can and should be fixed.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    JimmyV said:

    Go Beavers said:

    I hope no one thinks you have to carry ID, or even are required to have an ID in the U.S.

    Very true. But there are plenty of things that if you want to do you are required to show ID. Getting on a plane, buying alcohol, receiving certain medications, etc. I certainly don't want anyone buying firearms without ID.

    Voting is a right, but it's a right you need to register for in advance in order to exercise. Requiring voters to prove they are who they say they are, to me, seems like common sense.

    The problem of ID being expensive and/or hard to acquire can and should be fixed.
    BEFORE the ID laws go into effect!
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    To obtain an ID is rather easy. Birth certificate, SS card is all you need sometimes.
    I can't imagine NOT having an ID on me.
    Police can make it very difficult for you if you get stopped/detained and you have no id...
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    rgambs said:

    JimmyV said:

    Go Beavers said:

    I hope no one thinks you have to carry ID, or even are required to have an ID in the U.S.

    Very true. But there are plenty of things that if you want to do you are required to show ID. Getting on a plane, buying alcohol, receiving certain medications, etc. I certainly don't want anyone buying firearms without ID.

    Voting is a right, but it's a right you need to register for in advance in order to exercise. Requiring voters to prove they are who they say they are, to me, seems like common sense.

    The problem of ID being expensive and/or hard to acquire can and should be fixed.
    BEFORE the ID laws go into effect!
    Yes. In some places the fixes will not be quick.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    There's a reason republicans are pushing. And it isn't fraud. Nuff said.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    tempo_n_groove said:

    To obtain an ID is rather easy. Birth certificate, SS card is all you need sometimes.
    I can't imagine NOT having an ID on me.
    Police can make it very difficult for you if you get stopped/detained and you have no id...

    Easy for you is not the standard of ease though. There are elderly and infirm folks who dont/can't leave the house. There many thousands of people who live on SS alone, living on 10,000$ or under per year is an incredibly difficult thing to do.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    edited March 2016
    callen said:

    There's a reason republicans are pushing. And it isn't fraud. Nuff said.

    I agree about the Republicans but I don't agree it is nuff said. This shouldn't be a red vs blue, Democrat vs Republican issue. Both parties are trying to frame the issue a certain way and neither have it right, IMO.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    rgambs said:

    tempo_n_groove said:

    To obtain an ID is rather easy. Birth certificate, SS card is all you need sometimes.
    I can't imagine NOT having an ID on me.
    Police can make it very difficult for you if you get stopped/detained and you have no id...

    Easy for you is not the standard of ease though. There are elderly and infirm folks who dont/can't leave the house. There many thousands of people who live on SS alone, living on 10,000$ or under per year is an incredibly difficult thing to do.
    I'm curious as to how those on SS cash their checks?
    If they can't leave the house then how do they get out to vote?

    Both dead serious questions.

    I couldn't fathom trying to live on 10G a year. That is another problem in its entirety...
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    tempo_n_groove said:

    rgambs said:

    tempo_n_groove said:

    To obtain an ID is rather easy. Birth certificate, SS card is all you need sometimes.
    I can't imagine NOT having an ID on me.
    Police can make it very difficult for you if you get stopped/detained and you have no id...

    Easy for you is not the standard of ease though. There are elderly and infirm folks who dont/can't leave the house. There many thousands of people who live on SS alone, living on 10,000$ or under per year is an incredibly difficult thing to do.
    I'm curious as to how those on SS cash their checks?
    If they can't leave the house then how do they get out to vote?

    Both dead serious questions.

    I couldn't fathom trying to live on 10G a year. That is another problem in its entirety...
    In many cases people have payments made directly to a care center or have family members/lawyers handle their affairs.

    I know it seems like a trivial number of people, but when you combine the reasons people will be turned away, it outweighs the occurance of fraud.

    Leave without your wallet or bring the wrong purse, pops, too bad, hope you have time to go get it and come back!

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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    rgambs said:

    tempo_n_groove said:

    rgambs said:

    tempo_n_groove said:

    To obtain an ID is rather easy. Birth certificate, SS card is all you need sometimes.
    I can't imagine NOT having an ID on me.
    Police can make it very difficult for you if you get stopped/detained and you have no id...

    Easy for you is not the standard of ease though. There are elderly and infirm folks who dont/can't leave the house. There many thousands of people who live on SS alone, living on 10,000$ or under per year is an incredibly difficult thing to do.
    I'm curious as to how those on SS cash their checks?
    If they can't leave the house then how do they get out to vote?

    Both dead serious questions.

    I couldn't fathom trying to live on 10G a year. That is another problem in its entirety...
    In many cases people have payments made directly to a care center or have family members/lawyers handle their affairs.

    I know it seems like a trivial number of people, but when you combine the reasons people will be turned away, it outweighs the occurance of fraud.

    Leave without your wallet or bring the wrong purse, pops, too bad, hope you have time to go get it and come back!

    Election days should be holidays.
    I'm not so sure I'm sold on your points.

    You should have ID. If you forget your ID for whatever reason then shame on you. It should be on your person. If I forget my wallet and train pass the conductor doesn't care what my story is.

    As for voter fraud I'm with you that it's minimal if at all.
    As for SS fraud? I think that's a bigger picture. I've seen that first hand.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    JimmyV said:

    callen said:

    There's a reason republicans are pushing. And it isn't fraud. Nuff said.

    I agree about the Republicans but I don't agree it is nuff said. This shouldn't be a red vs blue, Democrat vs Republican issue. Both parties are trying to frame the issue a certain way and neither have it right, IMO.
    Please provide an evidenced based reason as to why voters should have an id to vote.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    dignin said:

    JimmyV said:

    callen said:

    There's a reason republicans are pushing. And it isn't fraud. Nuff said.

    I agree about the Republicans but I don't agree it is nuff said. This shouldn't be a red vs blue, Democrat vs Republican issue. Both parties are trying to frame the issue a certain way and neither have it right, IMO.
    Please provide an evidenced based reason as to why voters should have an id to vote.
    We went through this in the other thread. I was perfectly clear then. Since we require people to register to vote, and we require they be eligible to vote, in my opinion we should require ID showing they are the person registered.

    I do not need any more evidence than that nor does my opinion need to pass your muster.

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    JimmyV said:

    dignin said:

    JimmyV said:

    callen said:

    There's a reason republicans are pushing. And it isn't fraud. Nuff said.

    I agree about the Republicans but I don't agree it is nuff said. This shouldn't be a red vs blue, Democrat vs Republican issue. Both parties are trying to frame the issue a certain way and neither have it right, IMO.
    Please provide an evidenced based reason as to why voters should have an id to vote.
    We went through this in the other thread. I was perfectly clear then. Since we require people to register to vote, and we require they be eligible to vote, in my opinion we should require ID showing they are the person registered.

    I do not need any more evidence than that nor does my opinion need to pass your muster.

    Just thought we would make that clear for this thread, the people wanting other people to provide id to vote do so on belief and opinion....not evidence.

    I personally believe policy should be based in evidence, fact and reason. Your opinion shouldn't factor into it.

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