Bernie Sanders for President

gimmesometruth27 said:

brianlux said:

Free said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

rgambs said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

what if hillary picks obama to run for vp?

stranger things have happened. obama is experienced. he is still very popular. he said that his political career is not going to be over, and he knows how to make the gop look very, very foolish.

i would say he is qualified for the gig, for sure.

Wow, that's a great thought!

you want an unstoppable ticket, there it is right there.

i still plan to vote for bernie in the primary, but looking at the math he doesn't have it.

Looking at the math 8 years ago, Obama wasn't going to win either.

Exactly! There are a lot of people working very hard to discourage those of us who support Sanders. They're pulling every dirty trick out of the bag to get us to throw up our hands and quit. That just shows you how afraid they are. It just shows how resistant to change some people are, even when that change is in there own best interest. This is what abused people do. They hide behind what they recognize, what they are used to. But once they cut loose, they realize how much better off they are. This is what's going to happen. The change is coming. Many people will stay stuck on a path that leads to nowhere and they will amuse and distract themselves into thinking everything is OK but of course they know it isn't. Meanwhile, many others will move forward and take a better path. This is what is happening today and will continue to happen.

Stop being afraid people.

i am not being afraid.

all i am saying is that if we can't get sanders elected, a clinton presidency is not the worst thing that could happen.

if hillary gets the nomination and the democrats don't show up at the polls to support her, it is those no shows that are handing the keys to the white house and handing the supreme court to president trump. and that is not going to be good for anybody.

think about that before you people decide to stay home on election day.

You are a brave soul- I know that gimme!

I will continue to support Bernie all the way to the convention but yes, if Hillary wins the Dem nod, then she gets my vote- but with much reservation. Yes, we all would do well to get out and vote. Any of the Republican nominees would be a much worse choice, especially Trump, but I do not relish the idea of a Clinton presidency.

But enough about Hillary for now. This is the "Bernie Sanders for President" thread. While we still have a shot at it, lets keep the focus on Bernie and those of us who share his vision, let's keep focused on that!

JC29856 said:

JimmyV said:

JC29856 said:

JimmyV said:

"Stop being afraid" and "You are listening to the media" aren't the most compelling messages Bernie Sanders supporters could be putting forth. I respect the passion but lashing out at others who are looking at the situation objectively is counterproductive.

It has been asked several times in the Sanders threads. Has anyone taken the time to map out exactly what Bernie's path to the nomination is? What States does he win? Where does he finish close?

We'll see what happens tomorrow and Tuesday but going in with my eyes open is not giving up or being afraid. It is understanding the likely outcome.

This response is exactly what's wrong with the MSM and the voters. Ignore the issues and only report on the horse race. The MSM and voters family friends neighbors co workers need to talk more about the issues and less about the race.

And the continued dodge on answering the question regarding Bernie's path to victory, instead pivoting and attacking anyone who asks it, is exactly what is wrong with some Bernie supporters on this board right now.

Bernie lost me long ago when he too finally became a bitch boy whore for Israel.

The path to victory is not the issue the issues are the issue.

"bitch boy whore" haha. That about as funny as Dan's "the old bag" and "the old goat".

Trouncing by intimidation is no win.

JC29856 said:

What else do you call giving $10M a day? He certainly not the pimp.

I'm not singling him out, 99% of all senators and congress persons are Israel whores, the other 1% get voted out.

http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-israel-and-the-palestinians/

"Bernie Sanders on Israel and the Palestinians

Bernie Sanders has described the entrenched conflict between Israel and the Palestinians as both depressing and difficult, and considers the conflict one of the most important issues in the Middle East. He acknowledges that there is no magic solution to the problem, but Bernie believes in a two-state solution, where “Israel has a right to exist in security, and at the same time the Palestinians have a state of their own.” Finally, Bernie sees many other conflicts in the Middle East as exacerbating the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Jewish Heritage: Bernie is Jewish, but he does not favor Israel over the Palestinians, nor does he otherwise let his religion influence his positions regarding the conflict.

Two-State Solution: Bernie believes that Israel and the Palestinians can, and should, peacefully co-exist, and that Palestinians should have a country of their own.

On Netanyahu & Iran: Bernie is not a big supporter of Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and believes that diplomacy, not military action or economic sanctions, can keep Israel safe from Iran."

Free said:

JC29856 said:

jeffbr said:

JimmyV said:

JC29856 said:

JimmyV said:

"Stop being afraid" and "You are listening to the media" aren't the most compelling messages Bernie Sanders supporters could be putting forth. I respect the passion but lashing out at others who are looking at the situation objectively is counterproductive.

It has been asked several times in the Sanders threads. Has anyone taken the time to map out exactly what Bernie's path to the nomination is? What States does he win? Where does he finish close?

We'll see what happens tomorrow and Tuesday but going in with my eyes open is not giving up or being afraid. It is understanding the likely outcome.

This response is exactly what's wrong with the MSM and the voters. Ignore the issues and only report on the horse race. The MSM and voters family friends neighbors co workers need to talk more about the issues and less about the race.

And the continued dodge on answering the question regarding Bernie's path to victory, instead pivoting and attacking anyone who asks it, is exactly what is wrong with some Bernie supporters on this board right now.

This. It isn't surprising that they don't want to talk about the reality of the race, and are living on hopes and prayers. The reality of the race is that one must get the majority of the delegates to become the nominee. All I'm asking for is for one of you Sanders people to please explain how he gets the majority of the delegates? Which states will he will? Which superdelegates does he get? It isn't about being afraid, it is about being real. Sorry to burst any Bernie Bubbles, but I don't see how the math works, and I'm just asking for someone in the Bernie camp to lay out his path to the victory you're all seeing.

All I'm asking is one of these Bernie supporters to tell me tomorrows powerball numbers, will the eagles win a super bowl before I die and if a cure for cancer will ever be discovered.

Perfect response.

Agreed! It aligned perfectly with my expectation for receiving a logical, reality-based answer to a valid and important question.

I think Brian addressed the issue perfectly. Hope and vote your convictions. When a Sanders supporter tells me they're voting for Sanders because he's the best candidate to address issues, or because he aligns most closely with their views, I completely support that and don't question it. Absolutely vote your convictions! When a Sanders supporter tells me that Sanders will win the nomination, that is different matter altogether. That moves things from the subjective to the objective, and that's when I ask the hard question - How? Pesky logic. Pesky math. Pesky reality.

As a disclaimer, I haven't voted for a winner in a presidential race since 1980, so I completely understand backing a candidate based on conviction. I don't belittle Sanders supporters for wanting him to win. I just question them when they're convinced he can.

Free said:

jeffbr said:

Free said:

JC29856 said:

jeffbr said:

JimmyV said:

JC29856 said:

JimmyV said:

"Stop being afraid" and "You are listening to the media" aren't the most compelling messages Bernie Sanders supporters could be putting forth. I respect the passion but lashing out at others who are looking at the situation objectively is counterproductive.

It has been asked several times in the Sanders threads. Has anyone taken the time to map out exactly what Bernie's path to the nomination is? What States does he win? Where does he finish close?

We'll see what happens tomorrow and Tuesday but going in with my eyes open is not giving up or being afraid. It is understanding the likely outcome.

This response is exactly what's wrong with the MSM and the voters. Ignore the issues and only report on the horse race. The MSM and voters family friends neighbors co workers need to talk more about the issues and less about the race.

And the continued dodge on answering the question regarding Bernie's path to victory, instead pivoting and attacking anyone who asks it, is exactly what is wrong with some Bernie supporters on this board right now.

This. It isn't surprising that they don't want to talk about the reality of the race, and are living on hopes and prayers. The reality of the race is that one must get the majority of the delegates to become the nominee. All I'm asking for is for one of you Sanders people to please explain how he gets the majority of the delegates? Which states will he will? Which superdelegates does he get? It isn't about being afraid, it is about being real. Sorry to burst any Bernie Bubbles, but I don't see how the math works, and I'm just asking for someone in the Bernie camp to lay out his path to the victory you're all seeing.

All I'm asking is one of these Bernie supporters to tell me tomorrows powerball numbers, will the eagles win a super bowl before I die and if a cure for cancer will ever be discovered.

Perfect response.

Agreed! It aligned perfectly with my expectation for receiving a logical, reality-based answer to a valid and important question.

I think Brian addressed the issue perfectly. Hope and vote your convictions. When a Sanders supporter tells me they're voting for Sanders because he's the best candidate to address issues, or because he aligns most closely with their views, I completely support that and don't question it. Absolutely vote your convictions! When a Sanders supporter tells me that Sanders will win the nomination, that is different matter altogether. That moves things from the subjective to the objective, and that's when I ask the hard question - How? Pesky logic. Pesky math. Pesky reality.

As a disclaimer, I haven't voted for a winner in a presidential race since 1980, so I completely understand backing a candidate based on conviction. I don't belittle Sanders supporters for wanting him to win. I just question them when they're convinced he can.

And who said that he's going to win? All I've been doing is calling you folks out for saying he's NOT going to win! Study the math, media and polls all you want, doesn't mean that you know who's going to win. Following the horse race play by play doesn't make anyone an expert on who will win. Again, look back eight years. And that's my point.

But you "call us out" by basically telling us to ignore reality. It isn't effective. It is a normal part of an election process to try to understand momentum shifts, strength of message, performance in debates, endorsements and other indicators to try to gauge where a race is headed. It is called a race for a reason. Could Bernie win the nomination? Absolutely! Hillary could get hit by a bus crossing the street later this evening. But barring that, I don't see it.

I feel like I'm talking to a deeply religious person who is able to suspend disbelief and ho