No to increased taxes

rgambs · February 2016

Amongst the Ani said:
Taxes as a whole are out of whack. Fix and then expand is what I asked for if you go back and read. Bernie nor any politician will get any new taxes really levied on the corporations or the 1%. They might get a slight tweak but it will still be out of whack. The system is setup now to encourage them to not do that so they can keep getting their donations and well paid jobs after they leave the government. Until the government uses what they get responsibly they should not get anymore.

If this is how you feel, you should research the candidates' donor lists. Bernie is the only candidate that isn't taking money from the forces you are talking about.

rr165892 · February 2016

Ani,save your breathe.Its like roller skating uphill with these discussions.Your dealing with a far left view.Just look at the theme of basically every fucking thread.A lot of hate being thrown out from the peace and love crowd.Ah the smell of hypocrarcy.

gimmesometruth27 · February 2016

rr165892 said:
Ani,save your breathe.Its like roller skating uphill with these discussions.Your dealing with a far left view.Just look at the theme of basically every fucking thread.A lot of hate being thrown out from the peace and love crowd.Ah the smell of hypocrarcy.

sounds to me like the main hypocracy is about benefiting from a system only to resent paying into it again when you are done with it?

Thirty Bills Unpaid · February 2016

rr165892 said:
Ani,save your breathe.Its like roller skating uphill with these discussions.Your dealing with a far left view.Just look at the theme of basically every fucking thread.A lot of hate being thrown out from the peace and love crowd.Ah the smell of hypocrarcy.

Taxes are inevitable, RR.

Canada is taxed heavily, but I am okay with it. I don't look at what I am paying into the tax pool- I look at what I earn after paying taxes. It's more than enough and... my family and I are afforded many services that are critical. I'm getting things for my money... very valuable things in fact.

Do people cheat the system? Of course. Do I want to smack the lazy piece of shit that's a residual welfare bum- smoking mary jane and playing video games all day? Yes. But at the end of the day... I'd rather be pissed off with a lazy leech than shitty highways, unkept bridges, dilapidated schools, unregulated businesses, ineffective hospitals, etc.

rr165892 · February 2016

Indeed they are 30.No arguments here.
I personally have no problem paying my share.In fact I pay way more than my fair share.Both on the personal side and on the corporate side.
I give a whole hell of a lot and take very little.Same goes with my property taxes and services at a local level.
I feel I have the right to want my $$ paid in not to be wasted and squandered.Fiscal responsibility is a must.

I will ask you this.Why does some of my family who lives in Canada come to the states for medical care? If the system is so good why do they need to do that?
Same goes with people I know in England.Need medical care for a sick kid,I hope you like to wait unless someone is in trauma?

Thirty Bills Unpaid · February 2016

rr165892 said:
Indeed they are 30.No arguments here.
I personally have no problem paying my share.In fact I pay way more than my fair share.Both on the personal side and on the corporate side.
I give a whole hell of a lot and take very little.Same goes with my property taxes and services at a local level.
I feel I have the right to want my $$ paid in not to be wasted and squandered.Fiscal responsibility is a must.

I will ask you this.Why does some of my family who lives in Canada come to the states for medical care? If the system is so good why do they need to do that?
Same goes with people I know in England.Need medical care for a sick kid,I hope you like to wait unless someone is in trauma?

Wait lists. Sometimes, when people can do so, they seek private medical attention.

Serious stuff moves more quickly up the queue as does age and condition of patient. My daughter was injured playing soccer. We did have to wait before she could access the specialist and get the MRI she needed... but not too too long and once she was seen... things moved quickly

Would I have liked immediate service? Yes. But overall... I was satisfied with the care she received.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · February 2016

RR... I agree that there is waste that affects the level of servicing I'd ideally like to see. If an effective model of accountability was presented to me... I'd be in favour of it.

rgambs · February 2016

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rr165892 said:
Indeed they are 30.No arguments here.
I personally have no problem paying my share.In fact I pay way more than my fair share.Both on the personal side and on the corporate side.
I give a whole hell of a lot and take very little.Same goes with my property taxes and services at a local level.
I feel I have the right to want my $$ paid in not to be wasted and squandered.Fiscal responsibility is a must.

I will ask you this.Why does some of my family who lives in Canada come to the states for medical care? If the system is so good why do they need to do that?
Same goes with people I know in England.Need medical care for a sick kid,I hope you like to wait unless someone is in trauma?
Wait lists. Sometimes, when people can do so, they seek private medical attention.

Serious stuff moves more quickly up the queue as does age and condition of patient. My daughter was injured playing soccer. We did have to wait before she could access the specialist and get the MRI she needed... but not too too long and once she was seen... things moved quickly

Would I have liked immediate service? Yes. But overall... I was satisfied with the care she received.

Waiting sure beats bankruptcy lol

F Me In The Brain · February 2016

It would be good if there were a middle ground but I do not think there is - and this is due to the layout of our economy currently. On one side you have the people who pay next to nothing in taxes in the US....and on the other side you have those who pay an annual tax that exceeds what the average American makes in a year. (Put aside the destitute and the elite rich.)
Could be that an issue raised by the vanishing middle class is that there are no people with middle class attitudes/realities.
Yes, there are people in both areas that believe that the average person should surrender a higher percentage of what they earn for the greater good.
Yes, there are people in both areas that see sense in everyone paying the same percentage -- and if you make more then the pot gets bigger for those in need.

What I do not understand are the two extremes -- those who believe they should pay no tax if they make very little money, and those that believe that those who make the most should pay almost all of the tax.
In my opinion both of those views are flawed. I have some different views when it comes to taxes to the majority of posters here, and I am not going to sink (rise?) to the level of trying to convince everyone that I am right. Here to share opinions.
Fuck you.
Make up your own mind. This is what I think and if you agree, great. If you don't, great.
OP has a right to share what he thinks and is not obligated to try and convince everyone that his way is right. Some agree, others do not.

"there aint gonna be any middle any more"

myoung321 · February 2016

I love all people that spout out about the dreaded evil Socialism...

Until they send their kids off to Public Schools
Use Interstate Highways - All Roads and Bridges
Need the Police Department
Need the Fire Department
Medicare
Need Social Security or have Parents living on SS
Postal Service
Garbage Collection and Landfills
The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world, including Veterans Healthcare

myoung321 · February 2016

Amongst the Ani said:
Why should I pay for all this extra stuff Bernie and Hillary want to do? I am a self made man. I went into the Marine Corps at 19. I earned my GI Bill and used that to better myself in my late 20's when I went back to school. I took a bus for 6 hours to get from school to work, slept a few hours and repeated that process the next day. I worked hard to get where I am at. Anyone could have done what I did. No one gave me anything. So when I see Bernie and Hillary wanting to pay for all this extra stuff I say fuck that. They will push me down to raise others up. I say hell no. They can fund their communist plans in another country.

Say yes to the American dream again. Say yes to Rubio in 2016! He may be a robot but at least he gets it. Or his people do, either way Rubio in 2016!

Self made? Raised by wolves in the wilderness?

rr165892 · February 2016

How did this thread turn into a circle jerk for socialized government programs.Not what op had in mind I'm sure.

rr165892 · February 2016

F Me In The Brain said:
It would be good if there were a middle ground but I do not think there is - and this is due to the layout of our economy currently. On one side you have the people who pay next to nothing in taxes in the US....and on the other side you have those who pay an annual tax that exceeds what the average American makes in a year. (Put aside the destitute and the elite rich.)
Could be that an issue raised by the vanishing middle class is that there are no people with middle class attitudes/realities.
Yes, there are people in both areas that believe that the average person should surrender a higher percentage of what they earn for the greater good.
Yes, there are people in both areas that see sense in everyone paying the same percentage -- and if you make more then the pot gets bigger for those in need.

What I do not understand are the two extremes -- those who believe they should pay no tax if they make very little money, and those that believe that those who make the most should pay almost all of the tax.
In my opinion both of those views are flawed. I have some different views when it comes to taxes to the majority of posters here, and I am not going to sink (rise?) to the level of trying to convince everyone that I am right. Here to share opinions.
Fuck you.
Make up your own mind. This is what I think and if you agree, great. If you don't, great.
OP has a right to share what he thinks and is not obligated to try and convince everyone that his way is right. Some agree, others do not.

"there aint gonna be any middle any more"

Well played as always.

rgambs · February 2016

F Me In The Brain said:
It would be good if there were a middle ground but I do not think there is - and this is due to the layout of our economy currently. On one side you have the people who pay next to nothing in taxes in the US....and on the other side you have those who pay an annual tax that exceeds what the average American makes in a year. (Put aside the destitute and the elite rich.)
Could be that an issue raised by the vanishing middle class is that there are no people with middle class attitudes/realities.
Yes, there are people in both areas that believe that the average person should surrender a higher percentage of what they earn for the greater good.
Yes, there are people in both areas that see sense in everyone paying the same percentage -- and if you make more then the pot gets bigger for those in need.

What I do not understand are the two extremes -- those who believe they should pay no tax if they make very little money, and those that believe that those who make the most should pay almost all of the tax.
In my opinion both of those views are flawed. I have some different views when it comes to taxes to the majority of posters here, and I am not going to sink (rise?) to the level of trying to convince everyone that I am right. Here to share opinions.
Fuck you.
Make up your own mind. This is what I think and if you agree, great. If you don't, great.
OP has a right to share what he thinks and is not obligated to try and convince everyone that his way is right. Some agree, others do not.

"there aint gonna be any middle any more"

Then what the hell is the point? If you are only trying to rant your feelings and not debate then why post in a place reserved for "reasoned debate"????

Thirty Bills Unpaid · February 2016

rr165892 said:

F Me In The Brain said:
It would be good if there were a middle ground but I do not think there is - and this is due to the layout of our economy currently. On one side you have the people who pay next to nothing in taxes in the US....and on the other side you have those who pay an annual tax that exceeds what the average American makes in a year. (Put aside the destitute and the elite rich.)
Could be that an issue raised by the vanishing middle class is that there are no people with middle class attitudes/realities.
Yes, there are people in both areas that believe that the average person should surrender a higher percentage of what they earn for the greater good.
Yes, there are people in both areas that see sense in everyone paying the same percentage -- and if you make more then the pot gets bigger for those in need.

What I do not understand are the two extremes -- those who believe they should pay no tax if they make very little money, and those that believe that those who make the most should pay almost all of the tax.
In my opinion both of those views are flawed. I have some different views when it comes to taxes to the majority of posters here, and I am not going to sink (rise?) to the level of trying to convince everyone that I am right. Here to share opinions.
Fuck you.
Make up your own mind. This is what I think and if you agree, great. If you don't, great.
OP has a right to share what he thinks and is not obligated to try and convince everyone that his way is right. Some agree, others do not.

"there aint gonna be any middle any more"
Well played as always.

Not really.

It sounds as if he's disappointed the OP's rant wasn't left to stand. It sounds as if he's not really clear on the idea of what discourse really is.

I'd agree with him on the aspect of everyone proportionately paying their share of taxes (if that's what he was saying because it wasn't the clearest of entries).

And I'm not sure about the 'f**k you' either. F**k who? Me? Then f**k you too.

F Me In The Brain · February 2016

Directed toward anyone who feels like their opinion needs to be everyone else's...and conversely that my goal here should be to convince everyone else to think how I think.

Accept that there are differences in opinion, and that they can be well thought out positions informed by a different reality.

If you make $250,000 per year and I make $45,000 per year it is foolish to think that we have the same perspective when it comes to taxation.
What would I know about your reality when I pay $9,000 in taxes and you pay $87,000 in taxes?? (Based on 2015 tax table in NJ...Fed, Medicare, SSI, State estimated)

So the arguments that many make above are strained.
Roads, education, military, health care, SSI, etc....both of us pay towards those.

In this example, I happen to pay 20% toward those items while you pay nearly 35%.
Is this fair? Up for interpretation, I guess. In my opinion, no.
Would I expect that I have the same opinion on this that you do? Ummm, no.
Should your vote count more than mine, since you pay an 866% increase on the taxes that I pay?
Would I expect you to be more concerned than me about increasing tax rates?
Who is more likely to see their % of income toward taxes increase? The person who pays 20% or the person who pays 866% more than that total?

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Sorry rgambs, we have a different interpretation on the description I guess of AMT. I can see where you get to your position as you read it.
You left out the 'discussion' part. I read it as an exchange of ideas. No issues with someone wanting to find like minded people but to position things constantly on AMT as a battle until everyone agrees seems to be the pointless approach to me.

"Politics, current events - reasoned debate and discussion - we can all learn something new."

I do sometimes learn new things from items people post here, and gain different perspectives based on where people come from.

rgambs · February 2016

I don't think everything has to be a battle, but when you post something that incites strong feelings, you should expect a bit of battle!

Amongst the Ani · February 2016

Why do people keep saying I said I do not want taxes? I never once stated anything like that. The damn title of the thread is no to increased taxes, not no to taxes. I am with RR on all this. If the government used the money correctly a lot of what Bernie wants could get done with what is already being brought in. If you were donating money to charity and found out only a very small portion of what you were donating went to the actual cause would you decide to double down and donate more? That is what raised taxes will do.

F Me In The Brain · February 2016

rgambs said:
I don't think everything has to be a battle, but when you post something that incites strong feelings, you should expect a bit of battle!

I can certainly see that -- perhaps I am drawing feelings from many of the threads on AMT and applying here. It would seem that the goal of most people is only to convince others as to how they think and to not bother and try to see things from a different perspective.

Anyone can google engineer a response and post a link -- which is what frequently is done here -- and point to that as being their opinion instead of taking a few minutes to share why they feel the way they do and allow for there to be a differing opinion.

Too often these days Opinion = Fact to many.

rgambs · February 2016

F Me In The Brain said:

rgambs said:
I don't think everything has to be a battle, but when you post something that incites strong feelings, you should expect a bit of battle!
I can certainly see that -- perhaps I am drawing feelings from many of the threads on AMT and applying here. It would seem that the goal of most people is only to convince others as to how they think and to not bother and try to see things from a different perspective.

Anyone can google engineer a response and post a link -- which is what frequently is done here -- and point to that as being their opinion instead of taking a few minutes to share why they feel the way they do and allow for there to be a differing opinion.

Too often these days Opinion = Fact to many.

Ok, I don't see the relevance.

No to increased taxes

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