San Bernardino Shootings Kill 14

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  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    edited December 2015
    imalive said:

    "cheney blow up doll"was good.

    radical islam and guns/gun laws are two seperate issues that sometimes overlap. they both need to be addressed.

    See? I'm not so bad once you get over the fact that I'm a fan of some baseball team you hate. TBF, I hate Scioscia. He's peaked as a manager.

    I left a voice mail for my case worker hoping she's okay there. I work with two other clients there in a warehouse for a logistics company in Chino so it hits home for them since we're the only 3 who live in the county.
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Shooters were a married couple with a 6 month old baby. They were military tactic ready with pipe bombs and GoPro's apparently mounted to their weapons. They were ready to broadcast footage and their home was just called an "IED facility".
  • BS44325 said:

    imalive said:

    Smellyman said:

    BS really wants it to be a Muslim

    BS just wants guns to protect his family and defend freedom!
    I don't own a gun or want one but I respect someone's right to get one (within reason).
    Why don't you enlighten us with what your definition of, "within reason" is? If you can? And are you actively advocating for liberal gun ownership in Oh Canada? Why not?
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    imalive said:

    Smellyman said:

    BS really wants it to be a Muslim

    BS just wants guns to protect his family and defend freedom!
    I don't own a gun or want one but I respect someone's right to get one (within reason).
    Why don't you enlighten us with what your definition of, "within reason" is? If you can? And are you actively advocating for liberal gun ownership in Oh Canada? Why not?
    "Within reason" - no criminal record, no history of mental illness, background checks etc. pretty much all the things you have right now. I don't believe in zero regulation.

    Gun ownership in Canada should absolutely be less restrictive. The long gun registry in Canada was a disaster and only hurt law abiding citizens. I advocated for it's removal.

    Now stop trying to dodge the motivations of today's killers by flooding the zone with a history of every shooting. You are out of gun law ideas and I think even you recognize that the restrictive gun laws of France didn't prevent the Paris attacks. It's the ideology. Don't be afraid to confront it.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    imalive said:

    Smellyman said:

    BS really wants it to be a Muslim

    BS just wants guns to protect his family and defend freedom!
    I don't own a gun or want one but I respect someone's right to get one (within reason).
    Why don't you enlighten us with what your definition of, "within reason" is? If you can? And are you actively advocating for liberal gun ownership in Oh Canada? Why not?
    "Within reason" - no criminal record, no history of mental illness, background checks etc. pretty much all the things you have right now. I don't believe in zero regulation.

    Gun ownership in Canada should absolutely be less restrictive. The long gun registry in Canada was a disaster and only hurt law abiding citizens. I advocated for it's removal.

    Now stop trying to dodge the motivations of today's killers by flooding the zone with a history of every shooting. You are out of gun law ideas and I think even you recognize that the restrictive gun laws of France didn't prevent the Paris attacks. It's the ideology. Don't be afraid to confront it.
    BS, at this point, the ideology of the Paris killings has nothing to do with the San Bernardino killings for which no motive has yet been established. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    edited December 2015
    brianlux said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    imalive said:

    Smellyman said:

    BS really wants it to be a Muslim

    BS just wants guns to protect his family and defend freedom!
    I don't own a gun or want one but I respect someone's right to get one (within reason).
    Why don't you enlighten us with what your definition of, "within reason" is? If you can? And are you actively advocating for liberal gun ownership in Oh Canada? Why not?
    "Within reason" - no criminal record, no history of mental illness, background checks etc. pretty much all the things you have right now. I don't believe in zero regulation.

    Gun ownership in Canada should absolutely be less restrictive. The long gun registry in Canada was a disaster and only hurt law abiding citizens. I advocated for it's removal.

    Now stop trying to dodge the motivations of today's killers by flooding the zone with a history of every shooting. You are out of gun law ideas and I think even you recognize that the restrictive gun laws of France didn't prevent the Paris attacks. It's the ideology. Don't be afraid to confront it.
    BS, at this point, the ideology of the Paris killings has nothing to do with the San Bernardino killings for which no motive has yet been established. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.
    Bri, lots of similarities between Paris and this recent shooting. Same type of gun used, dressed very similar, obviously planned out and multiple shooters, the suspects didn't run but rather went back to their apartment and fought the police and died.

    And now of course we found out that the suspect met his wife (the other suspect) online and recently visited Saudis Arabia.
    Fwiw: all guns used were legally bought a few years ago.
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    BS44325 said:

    The facts come out and you all run from the ideology like you always do. Islamic radicalism is a real thing that must be confronted. If you truly want these incidents of violence to end you must stop being afraid to discuss it. Enough running from the facts.

    I'm a liberal, and you are 100% correct... Bill Maher has been screaming this from the roof tops for years...

    wake up liberals

  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    BS44325 said:

    Smellyman said:

    BS really wants it to be a Muslim

    I want it to be? Wow. Immediately after the attack what happened? The same people flooded these boards and flooded twitter yelling "random gun violence" without a single shred of evidence. "We must stop the NRA!" "Those who support it should die horrible deaths!" Talk about wanting a narrative! Then what happens? The facts come out and you all run from the ideology like you always do. Islamic radicalism is a real thing that must be confronted. If you truly want these incidents of violence to end you must stop being afraid to discuss it. Enough running from the facts.
    very well said.
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  • These two were "law abiding citizens". Apparently obtained their guns legally. Senseless shooting.

    Why this location of all places? What was their motive?
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    You pro gun people are right, you win. Nothing can nor should be done. It's all ideaology. Have fun shooting your guns and being responsible. You own it.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    First: " Cheney Blow Up Doll". Okay instant classic.

    Some did get a woody when it was determined these were Muslims. Not saying anyone on this board.

    Do Agree with BS odds were in favor with clues given. I thought it and sure most did as well

    BUT it's more a believing in mythical Gods than a Muslim thing. We need to get past this utterly ridiculous belief system.

    On gun thing, yes all guns bought legally. Doesn't negate need for tougher registration and control.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    callen said:

    First: " Cheney Blow Up Doll". Okay instant classic.

    Some did get a woody when it was determined these were Muslims. Not saying anyone on this board.

    Do Agree with BS odds were in favor with clues given. I thought it and sure most did as well

    BUT it's more a believing in mythical Gods than a Muslim thing. We need to get past this utterly ridiculous belief system.

    On gun thing, yes all guns bought legally. Doesn't negate need for tougher registration and control.

    registration and multiple background checks would be nice across the united sates but people are very afraid because imo they have something to hide.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,302
    Where does the pro bomb lobby come down on this?
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    Jason P said:

    Where does the pro bomb lobby come down on this?

    thank god they didn't go off! I read they had 3 "pipe bombs" attached to some sort of remote control car.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Yawn! Another day south of the border.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited December 2015
    mcgruff10 said:

    callen said:

    First: " Cheney Blow Up Doll". Okay instant classic.

    Some did get a woody when it was determined these were Muslims. Not saying anyone on this board.

    Do Agree with BS odds were in favor with clues given. I thought it and sure most did as well

    BUT it's more a believing in mythical Gods than a Muslim thing. We need to get past this utterly ridiculous belief system.

    On gun thing, yes all guns bought legally. Doesn't negate need for tougher registration and control.

    registration and multiple background checks would be nice across the united sates but people are very afraid because imo they have something to hide.
    Know I respect your rights and enthusiasm with guns.

    Read your thanking god bombs didn't go off and take it as a matter of speech rather than actually thanking a god. :)
    Post edited by callen on
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388

    Yawn! Another day south of the border.

    Bit more than another day due to perps and execution of shooting. Thanks for your concern.
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  • mcgruff10 said:

    callen said:

    First: " Cheney Blow Up Doll". Okay instant classic.

    Some did get a woody when it was determined these were Muslims. Not saying anyone on this board.

    Do Agree with BS odds were in favor with clues given. I thought it and sure most did as well

    BUT it's more a believing in mythical Gods than a Muslim thing. We need to get past this utterly ridiculous belief system.

    On gun thing, yes all guns bought legally. Doesn't negate need for tougher registration and control.

    registration and multiple background checks would be nice across the united sates but people are very afraid because imo they have something to hide.
    Not really. People are afraid that it will lead to confiscation.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114

    mcgruff10 said:

    callen said:

    First: " Cheney Blow Up Doll". Okay instant classic.

    Some did get a woody when it was determined these were Muslims. Not saying anyone on this board.

    Do Agree with BS odds were in favor with clues given. I thought it and sure most did as well

    BUT it's more a believing in mythical Gods than a Muslim thing. We need to get past this utterly ridiculous belief system.

    On gun thing, yes all guns bought legally. Doesn't negate need for tougher registration and control.

    registration and multiple background checks would be nice across the united sates but people are very afraid because imo they have something to hide.
    Not really. People are afraid that it will lead to confiscation.
    you are absolutely 100% correct. but we've been registering guns in nj for years and nothing has been confiscated yet. However many many guns have been banned here already, some I agree with and others I do not.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • callen said:

    Yawn! Another day south of the border.

    Bit more than another day due to perps and execution of shooting. Thanks for your concern.
    Perhaps you'd like to explain the differnce between this, and shooting up a movie theatre, a church, an unarmed person. Like I said, another day, south of my border!

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08