San Bernardino Shootings Kill 14

brianlux
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Am I missing something? This happened this AM. No thread yet?
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-up-to-20-shot-in-san-bernardino-active-shooter-sought-20151202-story.html
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    In the America's Gun Violence thread.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Smellyman said:

    In the America's Gun Violence thread.

    That's interesting because terrorism hasn't been ruled out and these types of events usually lead to lengthy threads. Maybe it's better to keep all the horror business in one thread but it also leads me to wonder if we are just getting so used to these mass killings that we react like, "Oh damn, that sucks. Another mass shooting. Hmmm." Like it's just not that big a deal any more. We are a crazy animal species.
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    It probably should have it's own thread because it no longer qualifies as plain old American Gun Violence. It is now looking like another case of Islamic terrorism.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    BS44325 said:

    It probably should have it's own thread because it no longer qualifies as plain old American Gun Violence. It is now looking like another case of Islamic terrorism.

    Any links, BS? Last I looked it still isn't classified beyond "uncertain". It does sound an aweful lot like Paris.
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    brianlux said:

    BS44325 said:

    It probably should have it's own thread because it no longer qualifies as plain old American Gun Violence. It is now looking like another case of Islamic terrorism.

    Any links, BS? Last I looked it still isn't classified beyond "uncertain". It does sound an aweful lot like Paris.
    It's all over cable news and they have just named the alleged attackers. First guy is listed here...again it is very early so details can change

    http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/suspect-involved-calif-massacre-identified-article-1.2453471
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    BS44325 said:

    It probably should have it's own thread because it no longer qualifies as plain old American Gun Violence. It is now looking like another case of Islamic terrorism.

    Any links, BS? Last I looked it still isn't classified beyond "uncertain". It does sound an aweful lot like Paris.
    It's all over cable news and they have just named the alleged attackers. First guy is listed here...again it is very early so details can change

    http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/suspect-involved-calif-massacre-identified-article-1.2453471
    Damn, just what we need. :frowning:
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,274
    bizarre....because on suspect has a middle eastern sounding name.....but was also maybe a disgruntled employee....so terrorism or not? FWIW, anything like this is "terrorism"
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • brianlux
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    imalive said:

    bizarre....because on suspect has a middle eastern sounding name.....but was also maybe a disgruntled employee....so terrorism or not? FWIW, anything like this is "terrorism"

    I just did a little more poking around and I'd say it's too early to say it is or isn't terrorist. One thing we know for sure- it's more death by gunfire in the USA.
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    edited December 2015
    BS really wants it to be a Muslim
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,274
    Smellyman said:

    BS really wants it to be a Muslim

    BS just wants guns to protect his family and defend freedom!
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    Horrible news. Very sad. This shit has to stop.
  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    edited December 2015
    BS, I'm a client at that regional center and for you to bring your xenophobua bullshit especially since you're okay with terrorist warmogers on your GOP side is a new personal low. Go play with your Cheney blow up doll, jackass.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    A lot of people want the shooter to be Muslim. That fits many people's expectations, keeps the biases intact, keeps the gun thing off the table (because, damn it, we all need to be armed to the frickin teeth), and eventually is great for the war economy. Same old story.
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited December 2015
    Smellyman said:

    BS really wants it to be a Muslim

    I want it to be? Wow. Immediately after the attack what happened? The same people flooded these boards and flooded twitter yelling "random gun violence" without a single shred of evidence. "We must stop the NRA!" "Those who support it should die horrible deaths!" Talk about wanting a narrative! Then what happens? The facts come out and you all run from the ideology like you always do. Islamic radicalism is a real thing that must be confronted. If you truly want these incidents of violence to end you must stop being afraid to discuss it. Enough running from the facts.
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    imalive said:

    Smellyman said:

    BS really wants it to be a Muslim

    BS just wants guns to protect his family and defend freedom!
    I don't own a gun or want one but I respect someone's right to get one (within reason).
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,274
    "cheney blow up doll"was good.

    radical islam and guns/gun laws are two seperate issues that sometimes overlap. they both need to be addressed.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    imalive said:

    "cheney blow up doll"was good.

    radical islam and guns/gun laws are two seperate issues that sometimes overlap. they both need to be addressed.

    Absolutely agree. They can both be discussed and it is not xenophobia to call this what it is.
  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    This is so horrible and meaningless. Is it another terror shooting ?
  • Asterisk on the Street
    Asterisk on the Street Posts: 849
    Very sad. Thoughts are with the injured and families of those who lost loved ones. One of my coworkers used to do some work at Inland Regional Center. We have been watching the local news to hear more information about motive. Doesn't fit a disgruntled employee scenario.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Annafalk said:

    This is so horrible and meaningless. Is it another terror shooting ?

    Here's the best clearest answer I've seen yet:

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-live-updates-htmlstory.html#

    "What we know

    Around 11 a.m., at least one shooter opened fire in San Bernardino at a party in the Inland Regional Center.
    At least 14 people were killed and 17 wounded, San Bernardino police said.
    Police said there were one to three assailants, who were heavily armed and possibly wearing body armor.
    After an afternoon car chase, two suspects were killed by police -- one male and one female. A third person has been detained.
    Authorities are searching a home in nearby Redlands.
    One suspect is named Syed Farook, according to law enforcement officials.
    The motive behind the shooting is unknown."

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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