Jenner Woman of the Year

brianlux said:

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

chadwick said:

bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.

Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.

I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

dignin said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dignin said:

chadwick said:

does bruce still have his penis & testicles?

You are not paying attention. It makes no difference. Do you know the difference between gender and sex?

Here, I will give you a hint.

http://www.med.monash.edu.au/gendermed/sexandgender.html

Actually it does going by that link you posted…

In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:

Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.

This is more clear.

The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.

The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.

Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

Society has to make up our mind how to identify people
Male, Female or Transgender

They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.

So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"?
Do you know how belittling that suggestion is?
Male, Female or Transgender, simple.

No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as.
What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.

OK, so Bruce Jenner was a man, married, has kids and loves women and was heterosexual.

Now Bruce is Caitlyn, has boobs, his man parts, still loves women and is now a woman...

So is she a lesbian now?

I don't know. Who cares? I don't see how that makes any difference.

Why comment if you don't care then?

I thought it was an interesting question to ask...

I think part of the point is that we as a society seem to have this obsession with labelling everything, which is part of the problem. are you hetero? homo? bi?

how about "I'm just me"?

No, we have a gutless society that placates to the extreme minority. Transgender is not normal. We don't have an obsession with labeling. We just know that people are born male and female. Whether one has a chemical imbalance in the brain shouldn't add a third gender type.

Are people like Jenner bad people? No, of course not. Should they be treated with respect? Of course. But should society have to adapt to them based on their decisions about their bodies? I don't think so.

Are not "normal" and "abnormal" labels as well? And what is normal or abnormal anyway? I've never understood that nor care.

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

chadwick said:

bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.

Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.

I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

dignin said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dignin said:

chadwick said:

does bruce still have his penis & testicles?

You are not paying attention. It makes no difference. Do you know the difference between gender and sex?

Here, I will give you a hint.

http://www.med.monash.edu.au/gendermed/sexandgender.html

Actually it does going by that link you posted…

In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:

Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.

This is more clear.

The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.

The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.

Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

Society has to make up our mind how to identify people
Male, Female or Transgender

They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.

So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"?
Do you know how belittling that suggestion is?
Male, Female or Transgender, simple.

No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as.
What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.

OK, so Bruce Jenner was a man, married, has kids and loves women and was heterosexual.

Now Bruce is Caitlyn, has boobs, his man parts, still loves women and is now a woman...

So is she a lesbian now?

I don't know. Who cares? I don't see how that makes any difference.

Why comment if you don't care then?

I thought it was an interesting question to ask...

I think part of the point is that we as a society seem to have this obsession with labelling everything, which is part of the problem. are you hetero? homo? bi?

how about "I'm just me"?

No, we have a gutless society that placates to the extreme minority. Transgender is not normal. We don't have an obsession with labeling. We just know that people are born male and female. Whether one has a chemical imbalance in the brain shouldn't add a third gender type.

Are people like Jenner bad people? No, of course not. Should they be treated with respect? Of course. But should society have to adapt to them based on their decisions about their bodies? I don't think so.

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

chadwick said:

bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.

Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.

I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

dignin said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dignin said:

chadwick said:

does bruce still have his penis & testicles?

You are not paying attention. It makes no difference. Do you know the difference between gender and sex?

Here, I will give you a hint.

http://www.med.monash.edu.au/gendermed/sexandgender.html

Actually it does going by that link you posted…

In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:

Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.

This is more clear.

The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.

The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.

Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

Society has to make up our mind how to identify people
Male, Female or Transgender

They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.

So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"?
Do you know how belittling that suggestion is?
Male, Female or Transgender, simple.

No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as.
What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.

OK, so Bruce Jenner was a man, married, has kids and loves women and was heterosexual.

Now Bruce is Caitlyn, has boobs, his man parts, still loves women and is now a woman...

So is she a lesbian now?

I don't know. Who cares? I don't see how that makes any difference.

Why comment if you don't care then?

I thought it was an interesting question to ask...

I think part of the point is that we as a society seem to have this obsession with labelling everything, which is part of the problem. are you hetero? homo? bi?

how about "I'm just me"?

No, we have a gutless society that placates to the extreme minority. Transgender is not normal. We don't have an obsession with labeling. We just know that people are born male and female. Whether one has a chemical imbalance in the brain shouldn't add a third gender type.

Are people like Jenner bad people? No, of course not. Should they be treated with respect? Of course. But should society have to adapt to them based on their decisions about their bodies? I don't think so.

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

chadwick said:

bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.

Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.

I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

dignin said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dignin said:

chadwick said:

does bruce still have his penis & testicles?

You are not paying attention. It makes no difference. Do you know the difference between gender and sex?

Here, I will give you a hint.

http://www.med.monash.edu.au/gendermed/sexandgender.html

Actually it does going by that link you posted…

In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:

Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.

This is more clear.

The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.

The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.

Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

Society has to make up our mind how to identify people
Male, Female or Transgender

They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.

So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"?
Do you know how belittling that suggestion is?
Male, Female or Transgender, simple.

No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as.
What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.

OK, so Bruce Jenner was a man, married, has kids and loves women and was heterosexual.

Now Bruce is Caitlyn, has boobs, his man parts, still loves women and is now a woman...

So is she a lesbian now?

I don't know. Who cares? I don't see how that makes any difference.

Why comment if you don't care then?

I thought it was an interesting question to ask...

I think part of the point is that we as a society seem to have this obsession with labelling everything, which is part of the problem. are you hetero? homo? bi?

how about "I'm just me"?

No, we have a gutless society that placates to the extreme minority. Transgender is not normal. We don't have an obsession with labeling. We just know that people are born male and female. Whether one has a chemical imbalance in the brain shouldn't add a third gender type.

Are people like Jenner bad people? No, of course not. Should they be treated with respect? Of course. But should society have to adapt to them based on their decisions about their bodies? I don't think so.

Kinda like how being gay isn't normal? I wouldn't expect a post like this in 2015......blast from the past man.

Seriously. Is it 1991 again?

This board is so predictable. I went out of my way to say I had nothing against transgender people and get treated like a devil and someone who is going to discriminate like segregation. If anyone has any links to message boards that allow differing opinions let me know.

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

chadwick said:

bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.

Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.

I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

dignin said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dignin said:

chadwick said:

does bruce still have his penis & testicles?

You are not paying attention. It makes no difference. Do you know the difference between gender and sex?

Here, I will give you a hint.

http://www.med.monash.edu.au/gendermed/sexandgender.html

Actually it does going by that link you posted…

In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:

Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.

This is more clear.

The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.

The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.

Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

Society has to make up our mind how to identify people
Male, Female or Transgender

They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.

So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"?
Do you know how belittling that suggestion is?
Male, Female or Transgender, simple.

No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as.
What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.

OK, so Bruce Jenner was a man, married, has kids and loves women and was heterosexual.

Now Bruce is Caitlyn, has boobs, his man parts, still loves women and is now a woman...

So is she a lesbian now?

I don't know. Who cares? I don't see how that makes any difference.

Why comment if you don't care then?

I thought it was an interesting question to ask...

I think part of the point is that we as a society seem to have this obsession with labelling everything, which is part of the problem. are you hetero? homo? bi?

how about "I'm just me"?

No, we have a gutless society that placates to the extreme minority. Transgender is not normal. We don't have an obsession with labeling. We just know that people are born male and female. Whether one has a chemical imbalance in the brain shouldn't add a third gender type.

Are people like Jenner bad people? No, of course not. Should they be treated with respect? Of course. But should society have to adapt to them based on their decisions about their bodies? I don't think so.

Kinda like how being gay isn't normal? I wouldn't expect a post like this in 2015......blast from the past man.

Seriously. Is it 1991 again?

This board is so predictable. I went out of my way to say I had nothing against transgender people and get treated like a devil and someone who is going to discriminate like segregation. If anyone has any links to message boards that allow differing opinions let me know.

PJ_Soul said:

Calling transgenderism a chemical imbalance is the same as calling it a mental illness.
Calling transgenderism a decision is the same as calling it a choice.

Yes, it really does feel like we're just regurgitating a conversation about gay people back in the 90s when everyone was freaking out about gayness because of AIDS. But now the resistance is because of..... ?? Too many washroom types?? Btw, having a third washroom for transgendered people seems fairly offensive to me.

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

chadwick said:

bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.

Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.

I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

dignin said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dignin said:

chadwick said:

does bruce still have his penis & testicles?

You are not paying attention. It makes no difference. Do you know the difference between gender and sex?

Here, I will give you a hint.

http://www.med.monash.edu.au/gendermed/sexandgender.html

Actually it does going by that link you posted…

In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:

Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.

This is more clear.

The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.

The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.

Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

Society has to make up our mind how to identify people
Male, Female or Transgender

They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.

So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"?
Do you know how belittling that suggestion is?
Male, Female or Transgender, simple.

No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as.
What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.

OK, so Bruce Jenner was a man, married, has kids and loves women and was heterosexual.

Now Bruce is Caitlyn, has boobs, his man parts, still loves women and is now a woman...

So is she a lesbian now?

I don't know. Who cares? I don't see how that makes any difference.

Why comment if you don't care then?

I thought it was an interesting question to ask...

I think part of the point is that we as a society seem to have this obsession with labelling everything, which is part of the problem. are you hetero? homo? bi?

how about "I'm just me"?

No, we have a gutless society that placates to the extreme minority. Transgender is not normal. We don't have an obsession with labeling. We just know that people are born male and female. Whether one has a chemical imbalance in the brain shouldn't add a third gender type.

Are people like Jenner bad people? No, of course not. Should they be treated with respect? Of course. But should society have to adapt to them based on their decisions about their bodies? I don't think so.

Kinda like how being gay isn't normal? I wouldn't expect a post like this in 2015......blast from the past man.

Seriously. Is it 1991 again?

This board is so predictable. I went out of my way to say I had nothing against transgender people and get treated like a devil and someone who is going to discriminate like segregation. If anyone has any links to message boards that allow differing opinions let me know.