Jenner Woman of the Year

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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,445
    edited November 2015

    JWPearl said:

    disgusting
    i dont care if you have womanly attributes
    if it hangs God meant for you to be what
    functionally works properly a bloke!!!!!...

    I never understand some people's extreme level of fear, hate, and ignorance
    Can you clarify what you mean by ignorance?

    Ignorance like believing in things like Santa Claus, fairies, magical gods... or ignorance like looking down at other people?
    Ignorance of a lot of things like facts and changes in the world and society
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  • If a man becomes a transgender woman can he/she then compete against women in athletic competitions?
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  • Amongst the Ani
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    She killed someone this year. Regardless of being a man or woman they gave an award for woman of the year to someone that killed someone this year. Whats next, Jared Fogle for father of the year.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,445

    She killed someone this year. Regardless of being a man or woman they gave an award for woman of the year to someone that killed someone this year. Whats next, Jared Fogle for father of the year.

    It was an accident.
    The roads were wet and he (at the time he was still "he") was driving under the posted speed limit.

  • She killed someone this year. Regardless of being a man or woman they gave an award for woman of the year to someone that killed someone this year. Whats next, Jared Fogle for father of the year.

    I just read this.

    Racing along the free way with her long hair flowing away in her convertible... she crashed into a car and sent it into the oncoming lane where the woman died in a head on (and who's estate is now being sued for over 18 million... only in America!).

    It's official... Bruce is an idiot.
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  • Drowned Out
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    If a man becomes a transgender woman can he/she then compete against women in athletic competitions?

    See MMA fighter Fallon Fox
    A Medical And Scientific Analysis of Transgender MMA Fighters. Do They Have an Advantage?
    http://fightmedicine.net/uncategorized/a-medical-and-scientific-analysis-of-transgender-mma-fighters-do-they-have-an-advantage
    The key question is whether Fox, being born a male, has a distinct physical advantage over her genetically female opponents. A cornerstone of muscle physiology is that a muscle strength, or the force it can generate, is directly proportional to its cross sectional area. In other words, bigger muscles can generate stronger forces. Therefore, if Fox had bigger muscles, than theoretically she would be able to generate more force than her opponents. This concept, however, simplifies the biologic make-up of a gender-specific muscle. It’s not just a question of muscle size, but also composition.

    A simple equation in physics in Force = Mass x Acceleration. More specifically, the lean muscle mass a person has theoretically can determine how much force and damage they can inflict on their opponent. Genetic males tend to have higher amounts of lean muscle mass, less fat, and more dense bones than their genetic female counterparts. So, if Fox was born a male, then she should be bringing those tools with her into the fight. However, a major part of gender re-assignment surgery is not just the physical act of the surgery itself, but also subsequent hormonal therapy. The effects of this hormonal therapy helps the transgendered male–>female person look more female. In the process, lean muscle mass decreases; total body and muscle fat increases, and bone density decreases. This has been studied in male–>female transgender individuals compared to male controls. After treatment, all of these things the transgender females have less lean muscle mass, more fat, and thinner bones than their male controls. This, however, has not been studied against female controls. The reason being is that medical doctors are performing these studies, not to compare the transgender patients to females, but to study if the hormonal therapy can lead to diseases such as osteoporosis, or thin bones.

    Before the 2004 Olympic Games, the International Olympic Committee ruled that transgendered athletes may compete as their re-assigned gender provided they have undergone hormonal therapy for more than 2 years, or the surgery occurred before puberty. The Transgender Athlete Policy has also been adopted by the World Tennis Association, LGPA/PGA and U.S. Track and Field.
  • Amongst the Ani
    Amongst the Ani @Wobbie Posts: 7,790
    edited November 2015

    She killed someone this year. Regardless of being a man or woman they gave an award for woman of the year to someone that killed someone this year. Whats next, Jared Fogle for father of the year.

    It was an accident.
    The roads were wet and he (at the time he was still "he") was driving under the posted speed limit.

    Sheriffs office wanted her charged with manslaughter. DA declined to prosecute. Plus regardless of the end result she killed someone. Not murder, but killed because of her actions yes.
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  • Dirtie_Frank
    Dirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    edited November 2015



    If a man becomes a transgender woman can he/she then compete against women in athletic competitions?

    See MMA fighter Fallon Fox
    A Medical And Scientific Analysis of Transgender MMA Fighters. Do They Have an Advantage?
    http://fightmedicine.net/uncategorized/a-medical-and-scientific-analysis-of-transgender-mma-fighters-do-they-have-an-advantage
    The key question is whether Fox, being born a male, has a distinct physical advantage over her genetically female opponents. A cornerstone of muscle physiology is that a muscle strength, or the force it can generate, is directly proportional to its cross sectional area. In other words, bigger muscles can generate stronger forces. Therefore, if Fox had bigger muscles, than theoretically she would be able to generate more force than her opponents. This concept, however, simplifies the biologic make-up of a gender-specific muscle. It’s not just a question of muscle size, but also composition.

    A simple equation in physics in Force = Mass x Acceleration. More specifically, the lean muscle mass a person has theoretically can determine how much force and damage they can inflict on their opponent. Genetic males tend to have higher amounts of lean muscle mass, less fat, and more dense bones than their genetic female counterparts. So, if Fox was born a male, then she should be bringing those tools with her into the fight. However, a major part of gender re-assignment surgery is not just the physical act of the surgery itself, but also subsequent hormonal therapy. The effects of this hormonal therapy helps the transgendered male–>female person look more female. In the process, lean muscle mass decreases; total body and muscle fat increases, and bone density decreases. This has been studied in male–>female transgender individuals compared to male controls. After treatment, all of these things the transgender females have less lean muscle mass, more fat, and thinner bones than their male controls. This, however, has not been studied against female controls. The reason being is that medical doctors are performing these studies, not to compare the transgender patients to females, but to study if the hormonal therapy can lead to diseases such as osteoporosis, or thin bones.

    Before the 2004 Olympic Games, the International Olympic Committee ruled that transgendered athletes may compete as their re-assigned gender provided they have undergone hormonal therapy for more than 2 years, or the surgery occurred before puberty. The Transgender Athlete Policy has also been adopted by the World Tennis Association, LGPA/PGA and U.S. Track and Field.
    You have seen to leave out an important portion of the document.

    However, what is clear is that transgender individuals that underwent surgery after puberty will retain some male features, such as increased height. Male–>Female transgender patients tend to retain more muscle mass than female–>male transgender patients gain, suggesting that some gender-specific attributes remain. Whether effects such as height will prove beneficial in MMA like they do in other sports such as basketball remains to be seen. Another question is if the fighter is completely transgendered. Taking estrogens without castration will leak out testosterone that can maintain muscle mass. Furthermore, how much estrogen is being taken? If it’s not enough, then muscle strength can be closer to male levels.
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  • PP193448
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    I don't think people care that Caitlyn is transgender, the question is why the hell does she deserve any award just because of it, especially any woman of the year type award. Should an award for woman of the year not go to someone like Malala Yousafzai?? That would be way more deserved...
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    dudeman said:

    Why couldn't it be an award for "Transgender of the Year" instead?

    That's interesting. Do transgendered individuals want to be recognized as part of the gender they identify as or do they want to be recognized as being transgendered?

    I seem to recall a push for some institutions to install facilities to accommodate transgendered individuals.
    I don't know about all of them, but I know many of them just want to be considered women once they've transitioned or are in the process of transitioning. They feel like MEN or WOMEN (in the wrong bodies until they've transitioned), not like some third gender.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    JWPearl said:

    disgusting
    i dont care if you have womanly attributes
    if it hangs God meant for you to be what
    functionally works properly a bloke!!!!!...

    What's disgusting is this post.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    PP193448 said:

    I don't think people care that Caitlyn is transgender, the question is why the hell does she deserve any award just because of it, especially any woman of the year type award. Should an award for woman of the year not go to someone like Malala Yousafzai?? That would be way more deserved...

    It's GLAMOUR MAGAZINE. A fucking fashion rag. Malala deserves better than that.
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  • PP193448
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    PJ_Soul said:

    PP193448 said:

    I don't think people care that Caitlyn is transgender, the question is why the hell does she deserve any award just because of it, especially any woman of the year type award. Should an award for woman of the year not go to someone like Malala Yousafzai?? That would be way more deserved...

    It's GLAMOUR MAGAZINE. A fucking fashion rag. Malala deserves better than that.
    Yeah. True. Who fuckng cares what Glamour puts out.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    PP193448 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PP193448 said:

    I don't think people care that Caitlyn is transgender, the question is why the hell does she deserve any award just because of it, especially any woman of the year type award. Should an award for woman of the year not go to someone like Malala Yousafzai?? That would be way more deserved...

    It's GLAMOUR MAGAZINE. A fucking fashion rag. Malala deserves better than that.
    Yeah. True. Who fuckng cares what Glamour puts out.
    Bigots seem to care a LOT all of a sudden. That's why I'm interested in the story in the first place.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited November 2015



    If a man becomes a transgender woman can he/she then compete against women in athletic competitions?

    See MMA fighter Fallon Fox
    A Medical And Scientific Analysis of Transgender MMA Fighters. Do They Have an Advantage?
    http://fightmedicine.net/uncategorized/a-medical-and-scientific-analysis-of-transgender-mma-fighters-do-they-have-an-advantage
    The key question is whether Fox, being born a male, has a distinct physical advantage over her genetically female opponents. A cornerstone of muscle physiology is that a muscle strength, or the force it can generate, is directly proportional to its cross sectional area. In other words, bigger muscles can generate stronger forces. Therefore, if Fox had bigger muscles, than theoretically she would be able to generate more force than her opponents. This concept, however, simplifies the biologic make-up of a gender-specific muscle. It’s not just a question of muscle size, but also composition.

    A simple equation in physics in Force = Mass x Acceleration. More specifically, the lean muscle mass a person has theoretically can determine how much force and damage they can inflict on their opponent. Genetic males tend to have higher amounts of lean muscle mass, less fat, and more dense bones than their genetic female counterparts. So, if Fox was born a male, then she should be bringing those tools with her into the fight. However, a major part of gender re-assignment surgery is not just the physical act of the surgery itself, but also subsequent hormonal therapy. The effects of this hormonal therapy helps the transgendered male–>female person look more female. In the process, lean muscle mass decreases; total body and muscle fat increases, and bone density decreases. This has been studied in male–>female transgender individuals compared to male controls. After treatment, all of these things the transgender females have less lean muscle mass, more fat, and thinner bones than their male controls. This, however, has not been studied against female controls. The reason being is that medical doctors are performing these studies, not to compare the transgender patients to females, but to study if the hormonal therapy can lead to diseases such as osteoporosis, or thin bones.

    Before the 2004 Olympic Games, the International Olympic Committee ruled that transgendered athletes may compete as their re-assigned gender provided they have undergone hormonal therapy for more than 2 years, or the surgery occurred before puberty. The Transgender Athlete Policy has also been adopted by the World Tennis Association, LGPA/PGA and U.S. Track and Field.
    You have seen to leave out an important portion of the document.

    However, what is clear is that transgender individuals that underwent surgery after puberty will retain some male features, such as increased height. Male–>Female transgender patients tend to retain more muscle mass than female–>male transgender patients gain, suggesting that some gender-specific attributes remain. Whether effects such as height will prove beneficial in MMA like they do in other sports such as basketball remains to be seen. Another question is if the fighter is completely transgendered. Taking estrogens without castration will leak out testosterone that can maintain muscle mass. Furthermore, how much estrogen is being taken? If it’s not enough, then muscle strength can be closer to male levels.
    Fair enough, my mistake...I didnt' read the whole thing - was just providing an example for the question you asked. Not really pushing an agenda here as it's not something I'm exactly 'up' on.
    Honestly, I hate anything that gives that family publicity. And I hate that we give it to them by bitching about it. I'm all for equality and awareness, but I never heard a word about Jenner from the end of Battle of the Network Stars until probably a year or two after the K girls became famous and I decided to look into who they were and why they were always in my face. I still don't understand why anyone gives a fuck about them or any other reality star.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    FWIW, I read the other day that there will soon be an app that will filter out all references to the Kardashians (including Jenner) across all of your social media and news apps.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    PJ_Soul said:

    FWIW, I read the other day that there will soon be an app that will filter out all references to the Kardashians (including Jenner) across all of your social media and news apps.

    :lol: I saw that too....god bless science :wink:
  • Why is it important? It is important to me as a father of two daughters who gets pushed in the spotlight for an award. When there are far more important woman who should be celebrated. I know it is my wife's and my job to teach them, but when garbage like this is spewed around I think it is important to debate the veracity of it. I really just wanted to talk about something else other than ISIL, politics and terrorism, which can be considered one topic. I felt that there is a good mixture of opinions on AMT and wanted to read what people had to say.
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  • PP193448
    PP193448 Here Posts: 4,282
    edited November 2015
    Well, at least the editors got their heads out of their asses that year...
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