Meanwhile back in Israel

gimmesometruth27 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Funny how a people who were once ghettoized now turn around and do the same to others and wonder why they're attacked nor garner sympathy. But boy do they know how to implement a final solution. Bibi, Bibi, Bibi!

yeah it is pretty sad. i would think that of all people, the israelis would know what it is like, and that they would not subjugate other peoples. i guess with the US backing them, maybe they figure they will ride it out and see how much they could get away with.

Don't forget what Bibi's end game is, he's looking long term, build settlements, continue the subjugation and occupation and 50 years from now, implement the final solution. The Gaza Ghetto is just the beginning and with Sarah Palin and the whole evangelical pandering Koch Brother and Adellson republican field, Bibi may see his master plan come to fruition. Thank Allah Obama looked into Bibi's eyes and saw his soul.

Superb piece from today's Wall Street Journal by Bret Stephens:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/palestine-the-psychotic-stage-1444692875

If you’ve been following the news from Israel, you might have the impression that “violence” is killing a lot of people. As in this headline: “Palestinian Killed As Violence Continues.” Or this first paragraph: “Violence and bloodshed radiating outward from flash points in Jerusalem and the West Bank appear to be shifting gears and expanding, with Gaza increasingly drawn in.”

Read further, and you might also get a sense of who, according to Western media, is perpetrating “violence.” As in: “Two Palestinian Teenagers Shot by Israeli Police,” according to one headline. Or: “Israeli Retaliatory Strike in Gaza Kills Woman and Child, Palestinians Say,” according to another.

Such was the media’s way of describing two weeks of Palestinian assaults that began when Hamas killed a Jewish couple as they were driving with their four children in the northern West Bank. Two days later, a Palestinian teenager stabbed two Israelis to death in Jerusalem’s Old City, and also slashed a woman and a 2-year-old boy. Hours later, another knife-wielding Palestinian was shot and killed by Israeli police after he slashed a 15-year-old Israeli boy in the chest and back.

Other Palestinian attacks include the stabbing of two elderly Israeli men and an assault with a vegetable peeler on a 14-year-old. On Sunday, an Arab-Israeli man ran over a 19-year-old female soldier at a bus stop, then got out of his car, stabbed her, and attacked two men and a 14-year-old girl. Several attacks have been carried out by women, including a failed suicide bombing.

Regarding the causes of this Palestinian blood fetish, Western news organizations have resorted to familiar tropes. Palestinians have despaired at the results of the peace process—never mind that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas just declared the Oslo Accords null and void. Israeli politicians want to allow Jews to pray atop the Temple Mount—never mind that Benjamin Netanyahu denies it and has barred Israeli politicians from visiting the site. There’s always the hoary “cycle of violence” formula that holds nobody and everybody accountable at one and the same time.

Left out of most of these stories is some sense of what Palestinian leaders have to say. As in these nuggets from a speech Mr. Abbas gave last month: “Al Aqsa Mosque is ours. They [Jews] have no right to defile it with their filthy feet.” And: “We bless every drop of blood spilled for Jerusalem, which is clean and pure blood, blood spilled for Allah.”

Then there is the goading of the Muslim clergy. “Brothers, this is why we recall today what Allah did to the Jews,” one Gaza imam said Friday in a recorded address, translated by the invaluable Middle East Media Research Institute, or Memri. “Today, we realize why the Jews build walls. They do not do this to stop missiles but to prevent the slitting of their throats.”

Then, brandishing a six-inch knife, he added: “My brother in the West Bank: Stab!”

Imagine if a white minister in, say, South Carolina preached this way about African-Americans, knife and all: Would the news media be supine in reporting it? Would we get “both sides” journalism of the kind that is pro forma when it comes to Israelis and Palestinians, with lengthy pieces explaining—and implicitly justifying—the minister’s sundry grievances, his sense that his country has been stolen from him?

And would this be supplemented by the usual fake math of moral opprobrium, which is the stock-in-trade of reporters covering the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? In the Middle East version, a higher Palestinian death toll suggests greater Israeli culpability. (Perhaps Israeli paramedics should stop treating stabbing victims to help even the score.) In a U.S. version, should the higher incidence of black-on-white crime be cited to “balance” stories about white supremacists?

Didn’t think so.

Treatises have been written about the media’s mind-set when it comes to telling the story of Israel. We’ll leave that aside for now. The significant question is why so many Palestinians have been seized by their present blood lust—by a communal psychosis in which plunging knives into the necks of Jewish women, children, soldiers and civilians is seen as a religious and patriotic duty, a moral fulfillment. Despair at the state of the peace process, or the economy? Please. It’s time to stop furnishing Palestinians with the excuses they barely bother making for themselves.

Above all, it’s time to give hatred its due. We understand its explanatory power when it comes to American slavery, or the Holocaust. We understand it especially when it is the hatred of the powerful against the weak. Yet we fail to see it when the hatred disturbs comforting fictions about all people being basically good, or wanting the same things for their children, or being capable of empathy.

Today in Israel, Palestinians are in the midst of a campaign to knife Jews to death, one at a time. This is psychotic. It is evil. To call it anything less is to serve as an apologist, and an accomplice.

What happened to Palestinians in 1948 Johnny? What happened when the zionists rampaged, shook the British out and formed the Israeli state? What happened in 1967 when the USS Liberty was attacked? What happened, Johnny, to the Palestinians? And why did that happen? Israel receives, on average, from it's inception, approximately $1BB a year and now receives close to $3BB a year, and what have they done? Create the Gaza Ghetto and build settlements. Make peace with their occupied or neighbors? Nah brah, it's apartheid baby.

And since people here LOVE posting from Eletronic Intifada, I'm shocked that you missed these lovely pictures of the Gaza "ghetto."

https://electronicintifada.net/content/photostory-brighter-side-gaza/10607

Johnny, such an over simplification of 1948. And the USS Liberty clearly a case of "friendly fire?" And you speak to my misunderstanding of world history and or aid? And where would Israel be without the generosity of me and other US taxpayers? Comparing The Gaza Ghetto to present day Syria? That's like me comparing, oh I don't know, the Warsaw Ghetto with, oh I don't know, hmmm, maybe Aushwitz. Or occupied Paris. And I'm sure if I took the time and really searched hard, I could find a rabbinical Jew or Israeli or Bibi chanting death to Palestinians or Arabs or both. But we both know it's already true so why bother?

Please find me a Rabbi, politician, or any Israeli or Jewish leader that advocates murder as this man does. As Mohamad Abbas just did two weeks ago. As Stephens so eloquently said, you are not just an apologist. You are an accomplice. When will your infantilizing of the Palestinian blood lust end? What would it take?

Yosi, is that you?

Halifax2TheMax said:

Nice qualifier, as this man does? Jeez, do you answer questions posed or play the Israli apologist card every time? When will the occupation end and the settlements stop expanding? Oh, I'm pretty certain Bibi has spoken the same, just not in the same vernacular. Answer my 1948 question first, perhaps? When will Israel stop being the victim? Israeli text books don't advocate the elimination of Palastine? Righteousness rules the day? Geez, as an unbeliever, I can't go to the Wailing Wall without looking over my shoulder, maybe getting a rock to the head or a shiv in my back from the black hatted ones. Yes, Israel is innocent and a victim. I get it. All righteous and without blame. Why was the USS Liberty attacked again? Go ahead, post some more "outrage." I'll just look at the young woman run over by the bulldozer again. Please, answer a question posed.

expansion will not end. occupation will not end. the us blocks everything at the un and kowtows to israel.

boycott
divest
sanction

why is it every time something happens in gaza the israeli apologists flood this place with their "i'm a victim" shit trying to justify the actions of the idf and the settlers?

and why are people like me called stupid for calling them on it?

gimmesometruth27 said:

hey johnnie. hasbara called. they want their money back. you are not changing any minds here. you are not playing the victim card as effectively as you should be.

Right. Anyone advocating for Israel must be a paid shill.