The Death Penalty

the person committing murder does so out of choice. They don't have to do it, if their get involved in a pathetic mob style family set up that is their problem. The person who pulls the trigger should pay the biggest penalty of all.

The case of the Glossip one which is lingering ever closer to a terrible ending today is a joke. The united states are the punchline, and judging from what I have been reading across the globe their execution of a man in those circumstances is being looked upon most disparagingly.

The fact that the appeal court voted 3.2 and made comments about doubtful and tenous evidence, and couldn't agree unanimously should in my mind be enough to say we shouldn't do this. But no, they intend to plod along, ignoring the two dissenting judges and cut the prison bill a little.

The man who killed gets to continue breathing because he could cut a deal. The man who protested his innocence and refused a deal because he maintains his innocence stops breathing. Yep, a joke, and a pretty shitty one at that.

pdalowsky said:

The fact that the appeal court voted 3.2 and made comments about doubtful and tenous evidence, and couldn't agree unanimously should in my mind be enough to say we shouldn't do this. But no, they intend to plod along, ignoring the two dissenting judges and cut the prison bill a little.

Pretty sad.

BUT WE NEED US SOME VENGEANCE.

I don't know if this has come up yet.

Ali Mohammed Bagir al-Nimr faces imminent execution for crimes he allegedly committed when he was just 17 years old. The evidence against him? A forced “confession” under torture.

http://e-activist.com/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=1770&ea.campaign.id=42650

pdalowsky said:

the person committing murder does so out of choice. They don't have to do it, if their get involved in a pathetic mob style family set up that is their problem. The person who pulls the trigger should pay the biggest penalty of all.

The case of the Glossip one which is lingering ever closer to a terrible ending today is a joke. The united states are the punchline, and judging from what I have been reading across the globe their execution of a man in those circumstances is being looked upon most disparagingly.

The fact that the appeal court voted 3.2 and made comments about doubtful and tenous evidence, and couldn't agree unanimously should in my mind be enough to say we shouldn't do this. But no, they intend to plod along, ignoring the two dissenting judges and cut the prison bill a little.

The man who killed gets to continue breathing because he could cut a deal. The man who protested his innocence and refused a deal because he maintains his innocence stops breathing. Yep, a joke, and a pretty shitty one at that.

I completely agree with your assessment of the Glossip situation. it's disgusting.

however, don't you think the instigator/manipulator of the crime deserves at LEAST the same punishment as the murderer themselves? I disagree with the death penalty in all cases, but I think that the person hiring the hit is just as guilty as the hitman themselves.

HughFreakingDillon said:

pdalowsky said:

the person committing murder does so out of choice. They don't have to do it, if their get involved in a pathetic mob style family set up that is their problem. The person who pulls the trigger should pay the biggest penalty of all.

The case of the Glossip one which is lingering ever closer to a terrible ending today is a joke. The united states are the punchline, and judging from what I have been reading across the globe their execution of a man in those circumstances is being looked upon most disparagingly.

The fact that the appeal court voted 3.2 and made comments about doubtful and tenous evidence, and couldn't agree unanimously should in my mind be enough to say we shouldn't do this. But no, they intend to plod along, ignoring the two dissenting judges and cut the prison bill a little.

The man who killed gets to continue breathing because he could cut a deal. The man who protested his innocence and refused a deal because he maintains his innocence stops breathing. Yep, a joke, and a pretty shitty one at that.

I completely agree with your assessment of the Glossip situation. it's disgusting.

however, don't you think the instigator/manipulator of the crime deserves at LEAST the same punishment as the murderer themselves? I disagree with the death penalty in all cases, but I think that the person hiring the hit is just as guilty as the hitman themselves.

I think to request the killing of any person or the paying another to do so is utterly abhorrent, repulsive and disgusting. But to me it isn't the same crime. It deserves a severe punishment. But I believe that generally speaking (there will always be cases with unique facts that will shake this reasoning) the person who commits the murder is the one who should be dealt with the harshest. They do so out of choice, be it a drug dependence, greed or being a psychopathic scumbag, or possibly because they have to out of some bizarre loyalty to a superior.....whatever it is they end a life and in my eyes they should pay the price.

This rationale perhaps doesn't work in cases that involve coercion, brutality within the organisation and forced participation but in the Glossip or kissenger style cases that's where I am

dignin said:

pdalowsky said:

dignin said:

I don't know if this has come up yet.

Ali Mohammed Bagir al-Nimr faces imminent execution for crimes he allegedly committed when he was just 17 years old. The evidence against him? A forced “confession” under torture.

http://e-activist.com/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=1770&ea.campaign.id=42650

Saudi Arabia, only marginally ahead of the USA.......

That's just it.

We do have a Taliban and ayatollah. ted Cruz .

pdalowsky said:

Ok what they are doing now is bordering on torture

no kidding.

pdalowsky said:

interesting

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/cowardice-sent-wrong-man-death-row-094249542.html?vp=1#gf4xIO

Depressing.

Just ran across an interesting article on the decline in death penalty sentences in Virginia, which up until recently has been a hotbed of executions. So what's making the difference? Competent defense counsel. The article looks at the differences this makes at all stages, including the actual initial trial phase (i.e. cutting down on false convictions) and the sentencing phase (i.e. appropriately investigating and presenting the mitigating factors and holding the court accountable for the significance of the decision).

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/10/virginia_s_capital_defense_program_reduces_the_death_penalty.2.html