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  • mickeyrat
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    benjs said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Amnesty International report says war crimes by Israel in 2014

    Shocker.
    And to be clear it says violations were on both sides. But the focus was on IDF. At least as reported in this article
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,381
    mickeyrat said:

    benjs said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Amnesty International report says war crimes by Israel in 2014

    Shocker.
    And to be clear it says violations were on both sides. But the focus was on IDF. At least as reported in this article
    The UN condemns Israeli actions each and every year (and to a lesser degree, the response of the Palestinians), and it's no different with Amnesty International. Until there's a scenario where investigators are composed of a consortium of Israelis and Palestinians, there will always be one side who cries foul, and there will never be conclusions drawn that amount to actionable decisions. Unfortunately for Israel, since Israel is the one unwilling to allow such a consortium (often not even allowing access to the Palestinian territories), Israel is doomed to be the distrusted one (and rightly so).

    Something that has remained consistent is the status quo: the status quo helps Israeli leadership sell isolationism based on fear and paranoia, helps Israeli leadership maintain Jewish superiority in the region, and convinces its Jewish majority populace to encourage the "us vs. them" mentality. The Israelis elects their government, their government perpetuates the status quo, the status quo increases the paranoia to the point where its people (with their fear of an existential threat) prolongs the stay of a government who perpetuates the status quo, and answers to the will of its people: its people who, once again, elect the government who feels the way they do.

    It's all cyclical, and the only place it breaks is if the government can't accommodate the people's demands of well-being in the region (i.e. boycotts, divestments and sanctions), or if the people can avert the hypnosis of a swinging pendulum in the shape of a gun pointed at an Arab holding a gun pointed at them.

    So, I hope that this Amnesty report sways the hearts and minds of some Israelis, or businesspeople who might now refrain from doing business with Israelis. Otherwise, this condemnation, along with all from the UN, is a useless one at best, and at worst (as seen by some Israelis, undoubtedly), an attack on justice and a dangerous tactic which actually encourages the divide and reinforces an "unjust" reality. Israelis really do live very paranoid existences - just hang around any Israeli news site and you'll witness it first-hand.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Norm Finkelstein has been running a series titled "Has Amnesty Lost Its Way?...A forensic analysis of Amnesty's reports on Operation Protective Edge, on his fb page if anyone is interested. Haven't read it yet, myself.



  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,196
    mickeyrat said:

    Amnesty International report says war crimes by Israel in 2014

    i think all of us have been saying that as those events were happening.

    do i think anything will come of it? not a chance.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    This is terrible

    Palestinian baby burned to death in settler attack

    Two homes set ablaze in Duma village in occupied West Bank, with graffiti left on the walls reading "revenge" in Hebrew.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/07/palestinian-baby-burned-death-extremist-attack-150731035331224.html
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    ya, sickening. Almost more sickening are the comments under that article.

  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,381
    Drowned Out said:

    ya, sickening. Almost more sickening are the comments under that article.

    Which is unfortunately par for the course when it comes to anything in favour of right-wing Israel. I couldn't believe yesterday's comments in the Jerusalem Post in response to the stabbing of six people done by an ex-convict the Jerusalem Gay Pride parade. What was he convicted for the first time? The same thing, ten years ago. The comments ranged from "why do they need to be so vocal about the fact that they're gay anyways" to "good - being gay is a perversion". Disgusting. And they have the audacity to refer to others in the Middle East as primitive barbarians.
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  • mickeyrat
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    edited July 2015
    This was in response to israeli high court ordering demolition of illegal settler buildings in west bank.

    More will die. Further isolation will come unless bibi does what is right and just. This longstanding tacit approval via nonaction must end.
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  • mickeyrat
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    edited August 2015
    interesting and hopeful views expressed here.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/7/31/west-bank-attack-puts-israels-settlement-policy-in-the-spotlight.html?utm_content=main&utm_campaign=ajam&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,196
    mickeyrat said:

    This was in response to israeli high court ordering demolition of illegal settler buildings in west bank.

    More will die. Further isolation will come unless bibi does what is right and just. This longstanding tacit approval via nonaction must end.

    we all know damn good and well that bibi is going to do what best serves him, and that is absolutely nothing.
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  • mickeyrat
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    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/31/israel-hawks-dodge-blame-two-bloody-attacks-impunity-internal-divisions?CMP=fb_gu

    exposes a pertinent wrinkle I had not considered while also calling out the hypocrisy
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  • mickeyrat
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    always look for hope. this is one time for that.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/israelis-protest-hate-crimes-wake-baby-death-palestine-150801223654320.html
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  • mickeyrat
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    edited August 2015
    It needs noted that while condemning this act the government approved 804 units to be built in Biet Eli and Jerusalem.

    So really this terrorism is rewarded. As usual.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,196
    mickeyrat said:

    It needs noted that while condemning this act the government approved 804 units to be built in Biet Eli and Jerusalem.

    So really this terrorism is rewarded. As usual.

    settlements will continue to expand under bibi. he will condemn these attacks out of one side of his mouth while giving approval through settlement expansion.

    these people would rather iran nuke israel than allow peaceful coexistence with a palestinian state.
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  • mickeyrat
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    Hmmm.....

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/army-arrests-israeli-terrorism-suspects-150809074307869.html
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  • mickeyrat
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    Go Europe!!!!

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/08/europe-contribution-israeli-colonialism-150813074831746.html
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  • mickeyrat
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    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/report-reveals-scale-israel-home-demolitions-150906143116488.html

    on occupied lands.
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  • mickeyrat
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    how can you tell bibi is lying? his lips are moving.......


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/netanyahu-seeks-to-snatch-victory-from-jaws-of-defeat-on-iran-deal/2015/09/03/792e40da-216f-4d7a-899f-752581a9b49b_story.html
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,196
    any updates on the protest in london today?
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  • mickeyrat
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    scuffles is all outside of 10 Downing. Lame shit spoken related to his visit and not arresting him. Proportional response last year yada yada yada.

    Its hard not wantng him taken OUT.
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