Global warming

The funniest thing about that article is that the new "record" is only 0.8 degrees above the old record set in 1961. When the record hit that day the world was just starting to be concerned about global cooling!

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

backseatLover12 said:

Scientists Record Warmest Day Ever in Antarctica

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/04/01/scientists-record-warmest-day-ever-antarctica

A potential Antarctica record high of 63.5 degrees Fahrenheit was recorded on March 24 at the Esperanza Base, just south of the southern tip of Argentina—a temperature exceeding any figure yet observed on the Antarctic landmass or Peninsula, according to the Weather Underground blog. The previous record high at the base, of 62.7 degrees Fahrenheit, was recorded in 1961.

So when it's the coldest day on record in "name your city" it has nothing to do with Global Warming but when it's the warmest day in Antarctica it obviously has everything to do with it.

Not exactly "everything" to do with it, but acting like temperatures in the continental U.S. are as significant in climate science as temperatures at the poles is just plain wrong. We know, even beyond the range of deniers, that the variability in climate at the poles is typically far less dynamic, and we also know that when the global climate shifts, greater variability, and greater effect in general is experienced in those regions.
Do you think that the winter temperature in (insert your city) and the autumn temperature in Antarctica are of equal significance in global climate, or are you simplifying the issue to blur the point and create hypocrisy from nothing?

We don't "know" any of those things.

You might not, but scientific consensus does.

Please forward the published article that supports the theory that changes in one region's temperature is more significant then changes in another region's temperature when measuring global climate.



I don't have enough time or data to do that or I would. I know just from plain old memory that while the average global temp has increased something like .6C, the Arctic region has increased by something like 3C.
Maybe tomorrow I will have time and find some wifi.

You know, these days anyone claiming or alluding to being a global warming denier is probably just saying stuff to a) attempt to be funny or b) contentious shit stirrers or c) sincerely confused by misleading information or d) really deep into some strange form of denial (in which case I really do give my sincerest empathy). I find this interesting.

It's true, bsl12's post does refer to a specific place and global warming is not about specific places but the whole. However,I think her point was missed and that is that this is yet another example of an extreme weather event. If we stand back from these individual scenarios, the picture comes into focus rather than remain just a blur.

Anyway, just in case there really are some who are still sincerely on the fence out there and really do care, and who are confused by all the various reports on local trends, here's an excellent article that will help put all that into focus. Notice there are some areas that are abnormally cold but then step back (so to speak) and look at the big picture:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2015/03/a-hypothesis-about-the-cold-winter-in-eastern-north-america/

Smellyman, bsL12... well said!

backseatLover12 said:

Smellyman said:

It's a stupid debate by this point. You'd have to be a complete and utter moron to not believe that trashing the oceans, levelling forests and pumping billions of tons of pollution into the air has no effect on climate.....not to mention just dangerous for life to exist.

If they refuse to acknowledge it by now it is simply wilful ignorance for some reason.

I admire those who keep debating the deniers. I have no stomach or patience for ignorance and stupidity any more.

I refuse to debate deniers anymore. The proof is there, the glaciers are nearly gone, the polar caps are warming (which was the point of my article), the coasts are rising (very slowly, but still), droughts are worsening.

My own father is a climate change denier (so embarrassing), and we have had so many arguments about it, until finally we just had to decide that it was a topic we couldn't talk to each other about anymore. There is no convincing him, and it was ruining our relationship, lol. So he's just going to keep going along in all his ignorant glory - I guess that's how he likes it! (this is a man with a Masters degree in Geography for god's sake.... I think he has to just be in 100% denial mode).

Last-12-Exit said:

brianlux said:

You know, these days anyone claiming or alluding to being a global warming denier is probably just saying stuff to a) attempt to be funny or b) contentious shit stirrers or c) sincerely confused by misleading information or d) really deep into some strange form of denial (in which case I really do give my sincerest empathy). I find this interesting.

It's true, bsl12's post does refer to a specific place and global warming is not about specific places but the whole. However,I think her point was missed and that is that this is yet another example of an extreme weather event. If we stand back from these individual scenarios, the picture comes into focus rather than remain just a blur.

Anyway, just in case there really are some who are still sincerely on the fence out there and really do care, and who are confused by all the various reports on local trends, here's an excellent article that will help put all that into focus. Notice there are some areas that are abnormally cold but then step back (so to speak) and look at the big picture:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2015/03/a-hypothesis-about-the-cold-winter-in-eastern-north-america/

I have read many of the articles you've linked in these various climate threads. But this one seems to say the most and still says absolutely nothing. Maybe I'm not smart enough to understand it, but I can't say I know any more an out climate change after reading it. I really don't know what it's supposed to say.

The author is apparently trying to figure out why certain parts of the northern hemisphere had such cold temperatures all while the rest of the planet is warming up?

I read another article that says much the same- I'll try to find it. Basically it says there are reasons ties to ocean currents for the fact that even with global warming some places are seeing record cold.

What this all goes to addresses something BS alluded to (but perhaps for different reasons) which is that we cannot make any conclusions about global climate based on local weather.

In any case, the argument against global warming is basically dead in the water and it's time to start taking some action- of which there is a plethora of choices!

BS44325 said:

Smellyman said:

It's a stupid debate by this point. You'd have to be a complete and utter moron to not believe that trashing the oceans, levelling forests and pumping billions of tons of pollution into the air has no effect on climate.....not to mention just dangerous for life to exist.

If they refuse to acknowledge it by now it is simply wilful ignorance for some reason.

I admire those who keep debating the deniers. I have no stomach or patience for ignorance and stupidity any more.

This is a dodge because I am not claiming our actions don't affect climate. Of course they do. The question is to what degree? You call me a denier but it is the opposite. I am following the science while you have become a believer.

Face palm! Ahhh, sorry man, I really don't want to be an asshole here but seriously, WHAT SCIENCE?

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

BS44325 said:

Smellyman said:

It's a stupid debate by this point. You'd have to be a complete and utter moron to not believe that trashing the oceans, levelling forests and pumping billions of tons of pollution into the air has no effect on climate.....not to mention just dangerous for life to exist.

If they refuse to acknowledge it by now it is simply wilful ignorance for some reason.

I admire those who keep debating the deniers. I have no stomach or patience for ignorance and stupidity any more.

This is a dodge because I am not claiming our actions don't affect climate. Of course they do. The question is to what degree? You call me a denier but it is the opposite. I am following the science while you have become a believer.

Face palm! Ahhh, sorry man, I really don't want to be an asshole here but seriously, WHAT SCIENCE?

The pause. We have talked about that. It is recognized by scientists but not yet explained. Current data not keeping up with models. The question is why?

Yes, we have talked about that.. numerous times.