So the Co-Pilot...

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  • deadendp
    deadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    Who Princess said:

    We're all trying to make sense of something that sense can't be made of.

    So true.

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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    the guy took so many lifes...i dont give a fuck about his problems or what he wanted to do..
    im not gonna waste my time for a saico murderer
    my thoughts are to victims and their families only...
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    rr165892 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rr165892 said:

    Dirtie_Frank said:

    I disagree, terrorists and mass murders are cowards. If they had balls they would go after people who can fight back. They target unsuspecting people without the means to defend against their attack.

    Bingo! Face your problems.Dont take the easy way out like a COWARD and take a bunch of others with you.Facing your problems,manning up ,and working toward resolution.that takes courage.Fighting back in the face of adversity is brave and takes moxy.

    Quitting and pulling the plug that's for losers and Cowards.
    wow. calling someone with mental issues and feels as if they have no other option in life but to end it pre-maturely a "loser". stay classy.

    No Hugh,I'm calling a selfish coward a murdering fuck.Plain and simple.

    Your a dad.Take a step back and picture the horror and grief that innocent families are dealing with now.If it was your wife and daughter would you take the same stance?I think we both know absolutely not. Cmon.Im a dad and I'm pissed.

    No proms,weddings,grand Kids,Little League games.Watching your kids graduate,wedding anniversaries,etc,etc.Because idiot co pilot says so.He played the all mighty.
    "Quitting and pulling the plug is for losers and cowards". That wasn't directed at the co pilot.that was directed at ALL people who commit suicide. So forgive me for having a problem with such a heartless, ignorant and sweeping statement.

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    rr165892 said:

    Dead,my post was not singling out any body individually.I was addressing the general collective apologist thinking that permeates on certain threads on these here interwebs.I lost a sister to mental illness and drugs.So yeah I know where you are coming from.

    Discussing something logically does not make someone an "apologist". No one is excusing anything. I, personally, am just discussing cause and effect from an objective standpoint. I am not going to apologize for not coming out guns a blazing hoping this person burns in hell. I am in no position to judge anyone.

    What happened was an unspeakable tragedy. I cannot fathom how I would feel if I knew one of the victims. But I don't think attacking those who choose to discuss rationally deserve to be attacked personally for not publically reacting the same as you. I can react with disbelief and rage too. I just sometimes use other avenues than here to do so. This situation is one of those times.

    Look at this way: would you say someone who is reporting the news, or a panelist on a media discussion was an apologist for not coming out saying this guy was a fucking scumbag, but merely discussing the science and medical explanation for this occurence? I wouldn't think so.


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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    deadendp said:

    rr165892 said:

    Wow,this site and its apologists never seem to quit amazing me.
    We prop up terrorists,Criminals,Mass Murderers.Always finding the excuse why they did what they did.Shit John McCain is a more hated villian around here,then someone who offs hundreds.

    What about the victims?Whos going to bat for them?What if it was your spouse or child on that plane?
    I totally get mental Illness.I know it's real and debilitating.I know some see suicide as their only way out.Sure they shit on their kids and family and of course fuck them up mentally for life when they kill themselves.But I'll give you that one solo death ,ok.
    But taking 300 people with you? FUCK YOU murdering bastard.I don't care what your problem is.No excuse for murder.
    Damn you would think some of you bleeding hearts would be crying for justice as hundreds of women and young children were vaporized because a Co Pilot had a bad day or daddy issues.

    Just because I was explaining that I understand mental illness does not make me an apologist. I don't defend what he did. I don't find it excusable. Mental illness, as I said, was an explanation, but not an excuse.

    I understand from the front lines what mental illness does. It fucking sucks when you have to go hunt down a family member almost every night for months and months at a time to see if they are still alive. My brother's mental illness threw him into the need to self medicate, which also threw him into the pool of potential overdose. I had to drive around in some nasty neighborhoods with some pretty unsavory people to try to help my brother.

    7 years in college didn't kill my innocent look at life-- dealing with my brother and his mental illness did.

    Just because there are people here who can understand mental illness being debilitating doesn't mean that we say that flying a plane full of people into a mountainside is okay.

    It's not.

    It never will be.
    Many around here don't understand the difference between explanation and excuse. It's maddening.

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    dimitrispearljam said:

    the guy took so many lifes...i dont give a fuck about his problems or what he wanted to do..
    im not gonna waste my time for a saico murderer
    my thoughts are to victims and their families only...

    Examining why something happened is paramount to preventing it in the future.

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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    jeff and Leeze - good, thoughtful responses per usual. I'm still trying to sort it out for myself, but so far seem to be a mix of both of yours.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    OP
    Yes it is a sick world we live indeed when a person intentionally brings down a plane.

    It is also sick that if the co-pilot did it for religious reasons he would not be labelled with having a mental illness.

    It is also sick that if the co-pilot did it for personal reasons he is labelled with having a mental illness.

    It is also sick that if the co-pilot was the only one to survive the crash we would all want him to die.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,302
    If "depression" as a mental illness was a logical analysis as to a dude flying a passenger plane into a mountain, I would assume we are a few weeks away until Maximum Overdrive becomes a reality

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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    OP
    Yes it is a sick world we live indeed when a person intentionally brings down a plane.

    It is also sick that if the co-pilot did it for religious reasons he would not be labelled with having a mental illness.

    It is also sick that if the co-pilot did it for personal reasons he is labelled with having a mental illness.

    It is also sick that if the co-pilot was the only one to survive the crash we would all want him to die.

    This
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    OP
    Yes it is a sick world we live indeed when a person intentionally brings down a plane.

    It is also sick that if the co-pilot did it for religious reasons he would not be labelled with having a mental illness.

    It is also sick that if the co-pilot did it for personal reasons he is labelled with having a mental illness.

    It is also sick that if the co-pilot was the only one to survive the crash we would all want him to die.

    "Personal reasons" and "mental illness" are not synonymous.

    And no, not all would want him to die if he had survived, although I'll grant you that many would.
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  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    edited March 2015
    So this scenario happened in the movie Wild tales why could the movie maker predict this could happen and not the airline company? Two pilots should now always be in the cockpit, why does it have to be an accident first ?
    Post edited by Annafalk on
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    deadendp said:

    rr165892 said:

    Wow,this site and its apologists never seem to quit amazing me.
    We prop up terrorists,Criminals,Mass Murderers.Always finding the excuse why they did what they did.Shit John McCain is a more hated villian around here,then someone who offs hundreds.

    What about the victims?Whos going to bat for them?What if it was your spouse or child on that plane?
    I totally get mental Illness.I know it's real and debilitating.I know some see suicide as their only way out.Sure they shit on their kids and family and of course fuck them up mentally for life when they kill themselves.But I'll give you that one solo death ,ok.
    But taking 300 people with you? FUCK YOU murdering bastard.I don't care what your problem is.No excuse for murder.
    Damn you would think some of you bleeding hearts would be crying for justice as hundreds of women and young children were vaporized because a Co Pilot had a bad day or daddy issues.

    Just because I was explaining that I understand mental illness does not make me an apologist. I don't defend what he did. I don't find it excusable. Mental illness, as I said, was an explanation, but not an excuse.

    I understand from the front lines what mental illness does. It fucking sucks when you have to go hunt down a family member almost every night for months and months at a time to see if they are still alive. My brother's mental illness threw him into the need to self medicate, which also threw him into the pool of potential overdose. I had to drive around in some nasty neighborhoods with some pretty unsavory people to try to help my brother.

    7 years in college didn't kill my innocent look at life-- dealing with my brother and his mental illness did.

    Just because there are people here who can understand mental illness being debilitating doesn't mean that we say that flying a plane full of people into a mountainside is okay.

    It's not.

    It never will be.
    Many around here don't understand the difference between explanation and excuse. It's maddening.

    It is rather aggravating.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited March 2015
    Dirtie_Frank said:

    I disagree, terrorists and mass murders are cowards. If they had balls they would go after people who can fight back. They target unsuspecting people without the means to defend against their attack.

    Coward-
    a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.
    synonyms: weakling, milksop, namby-pamby, mouse; More


    Now see this has been addressed.
    Post edited by callen on
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    rr165892 said:

    Wow,this site and its apologists never seem to quit amazing me.
    We prop up terrorists,Criminals,Mass Murderers.Always finding the excuse why they did what they did.Shit John McCain is a more hated villian around here,then someone who offs hundreds.

    What about the victims?Whos going to bat for them?What if it was your spouse or child on that plane?
    I totally get mental Illness.I know it's real and debilitating.I know some see suicide as their only way out.Sure they shit on their kids and family and of course fuck them up mentally for life when they kill themselves.But I'll give you that one solo death ,ok.
    But taking 300 people with you? FUCK YOU murdering bastard.I don't care what your problem is.No excuse for murder.
    Damn you would think some of you bleeding hearts would be crying for justice as hundreds of women and young children were vaporized because a Co Pilot had a bad day or daddy issues.

    Attempting to understand isn't being apologetic. It does lead to understanding why people do things and maybe minimizing. Think it's going the easy route to just say these people suck but again I understand just human nature. See I'm trying to understand the other position.
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  • Leezestarr313
    Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,444
    On a sidenote I find it very interesting to see the public outrage at the sensationalism of the media. I read today that journalists have been offering money to people, even children, from the hometown of the co-pilot so they say something scripted into the camera or send photos from the funeral to the press. A lot of people are condamning the media for publishing the co-pilots name and photo, not protecting the privacy of his family or friends at all. There is no proof yet of what exactly has happened. Publishing the name and identity of a suspect, is first ignorant of the privacy of the relatives of the deseased, second not helping the discussion of possible scenarios at all and third even possibly dangerous cause it gives a possible murderer a canvas for glorification that others might find attractive to have as well. The vultures of the media are having a feast on the expense of people who are not even involved. It is quite disgusting.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
    Yeah he didn't need to kill all those innocent people I'm sure with investigation the answers will come that many red flags were present but just weren't flagged ....
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Fuck the media
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    deadendp said:

    rr165892 said:

    Wow,this site and its apologists never seem to quit amazing me.
    We prop up terrorists,Criminals,Mass Murderers.Always finding the excuse why they did what they did.Shit John McCain is a more hated villian around here,then someone who offs hundreds.

    What about the victims?Whos going to bat for them?What if it was your spouse or child on that plane?
    I totally get mental Illness.I know it's real and debilitating.I know some see suicide as their only way out.Sure they shit on their kids and family and of course fuck them up mentally for life when they kill themselves.But I'll give you that one solo death ,ok.
    But taking 300 people with you? FUCK YOU murdering bastard.I don't care what your problem is.No excuse for murder.
    Damn you would think some of you bleeding hearts would be crying for justice as hundreds of women and young children were vaporized because a Co Pilot had a bad day or daddy issues.

    Just because I was explaining that I understand mental illness does not make me an apologist. I don't defend what he did. I don't find it excusable. Mental illness, as I said, was an explanation, but not an excuse.

    I understand from the front lines what mental illness does. It fucking sucks when you have to go hunt down a family member almost every night for months and months at a time to see if they are still alive. My brother's mental illness threw him into the need to self medicate, which also threw him into the pool of potential overdose. I had to drive around in some nasty neighborhoods with some pretty unsavory people to try to help my brother.

    7 years in college didn't kill my innocent look at life-- dealing with my brother and his mental illness did.

    Just because there are people here who can understand mental illness being debilitating doesn't mean that we say that flying a plane full of people into a mountainside is okay.

    It's not.

    It never will be.
    Many around here don't understand the difference between explanation and excuse. It's maddening.

    To be fair, many around here don't do a very good job ensuring their posts are clear on the fact they are not excusing something.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    josevolution said:

    Yeah he didn't need to kill all those innocent people I'm sure with investigation the answers will come that many red flags were present but just weren't flagged ....

    I'm sure that will be the case, because hindsight is a wonderful thing and so much more accurate than trying to assess a situation in the moment.

    We can't control all risk in the world, and this situation is in fact a great example of this. This could never have happened years ago, because it never used to be so difficult to get in to the cockpit. Then we got all worried about terrorists and hijackers and made it near impossible to access the cockpit, and a situation like this occurs. Any action we take to control one risk will have unintended consequences that will increase other risks, including actions we take to screen people in or out.
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