What the hell happened in Wisconsin?

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

backseatLover12 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

backseatLover12 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

backseatLover12 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think he means the life of the person not being threatening and crazy, and instead trying to protect the public, wins, if one must die.

Ok, I see what you mean. But what if, in turn, it's the cop that's being threatening and crazy. I feel that notion is never discussed, almost as if it's voodoo to even discuss that the police may be the bad guys in some situations. But we now know they can be. So who's life is more valuable? Why is it, we support those in authority with no questions asked? Well, I'm asking that question.

If a cop has acted badly, people are more than willing to condemn.

Unless the cop is wrong. Which is exactly what's been happening lately.

I'm not sure what you mean by this?

Sorry, misunderstood your post initially.

But the public is not entirely up in arms about the poor actions on behalf of the cops lately. Still many defend their actions regardless.

It depends on which case you refer to.

If you are referring to the Brown case, the public was incensed... but wrongly so. If you are referring to the Rice case... I hear you. This has been expressed before: the anti-establishment people would have fared very well rallying around Tamir Rice instead of Brown.

The other case that makes me seethe is the Kelly Thomas case. Hearing him cry out for his father as he was getting assaulted by those asshole cops choked me up. Those cops can suffer in Hell for all I care.

Backseat... there are simply way too many good cops that provide an outstanding service while placing their lives on the line for us to condemn them with blanket statements. When one defends themselves against some dickhead trying to assault them... I'm on their side. Period. When one acts out of line and abuses their position of power... I am not.

I think I speak for many when I say such (probably even the ones you listed earlier).

I think you should stop speaking for many, as the "many" tend to sheepishly piggyback your quotes with an "I agree" rather than speaking for themselves (you know who you are).

Again, looking at the problem optimistically rather than taking ALL of the stories that have been released in the last 10 months alone for what they're worth (many police brutality cases), is pretty much not looking realistic at the problem. It's denying that there is a major problem in this country with minorities and the Police. You may not be living in denial, but others are very much so.

When I say such, I think I am encompassing the sentiments expressed by 'many'.

Some people affirm the assertion. It's pretty standard behavior for an online community. We don't expect everyone to write a lengthy post that says the same thing that someone else might have already written.

And the problem you speak of is only on the front lines. If you wish to solve the problems, then stop asking cops to be more patient with the people they are forced to deal with. This is a by-product of the society YOU contribute to and succeed in- you're to blame as much as anyone.

Take steps to distribute wealth with a slightly more equitable model and you might begin to see people less inclined to lean towards crime. Legalize drugs and create a nationwide industry for production, processing, distribution, and regulation and you might begin to see progress as well.

hedonist said:

backseatLover12 said:

Are there any minorities on these boards? How about we hear what their views are. I bet not one of you supporting the police is in the minority.

I'm a German-Persian Jewish-born woman. I've had a few fucked up experiences because of all of those descriptors that to some might justify yelling "minority here!"

More than 20 years ago my city was FUCKED on a human and physical level due to the actions of some police. Rodney King, wasted as he was, didn't deserve what was laid upon him (nor was Reginald Denny, in the aftermath).

I have spoken for myself - it's there for you to read and see. Don't care to? It's alright.

As to cop-out...OK. Sorry to say your view has lost much of the value I used to hold.

Bentleyspop said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Hey, backseat......yes, if 1 man tries to disarm a cop while 3 others try, unsuccessfully, to stop him, lethal force is absolutely 100% excusable. I can't personally believe that anyone would put the life of a fucking asshole lunatic above not only law enforcement, but potential innocent bystanders. That, to me, is unconscionable.

That's because there are a lot of cop haters on here.
These are people who believe that all cops are lying racists who are just looking for an excuse to kill someone of color.

But you know that if someone was to break into their house and steal their precious Pearl Jam vinyl collection, that the first thing they do after posting an angry thread or 2 on here, is to call the police for help.