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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    brianlux wrote: »
    backseatLover12 wrote: »
    cincybearcat wrote: »
    Oh please Brian, step off your pedestal. People have said far worse about others here, and I'm not addressing a single poster here.

    Way to have respect for a day observed nationally to honor a man to have made a difference in the name of PEACE and rights for everyone. THAT'S what Brian is talking about. He's on no pedestal, you must be merely in need to point a finger somewhere, and you were told how it is.

    I have to cop to this one, bsL12, cincy's call was good. It is true that others -probably all of us at one point- have said worse.

    That said, I won't renege on anything else I've said here. It is so U.S. of us to glorify someone who sits in a tree (or whatever) and picks off people. I suppose I am guilty of reacting a bit too strongly... maybe... on this issue but six decades of watching the U.S. become more and more a warring nation I just can't stomach the guts 'n gory glory hallefuckinlujah posturing that defines so much of what we have become as a nation. And I am speaking in general terms here. I don't mean to single any one out here. It's the combined overall effect of a bloodthirsty, aggressive murderous position we have take as a whole that I rage against.

    As for Michael Moore, yeah it's easy to criticize someone in the lime light and I'm sure he has his faults but he has the guts to speak his mind on issues that so many others back off from. It's a wonder he's still alive. I say, good for him and thanks for the courage to speak out. That is what this is supposed to be all about, right? Courage.


    must be nice to perch from your tree while others have your back
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Well, how quickly the push for "free speech" wanes when someone possibly criticizes the actions of an American soldier. And calling Moore's comments "unAmerican"? I guess that tells us where American priorities are.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,599
    Moore said his piece. Others disagreed. That is exactly how free speech is supposed to work.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    JimmyV wrote: »
    Moore said his piece. Others disagreed. That is exactly how free speech is supposed to work.
    But, apparently "unAmerican" to say what he said...?
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • TalonTedd
    TalonTedd Toronto Posts: 835
    All those American lives saved should have been home. Mike Moore is true patriot for trying to rally Americans against the tyranny and the crime perpetrated by the criminals that infest Washington.
    I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,599
    If someone expresses an opinion and someone else says that opinion is Un-American (or immoral, or blasphemous, or dangerous, etc) all that has happened is two people have expressed an opinion. That is free speech.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    JimmyV wrote: »
    If someone expresses an opinion and someone else says that opinion is Un-American (or immoral, or blasphemous, or dangerous, etc) all that has happened is two people have expressed an opinion. That is free speech.

    in america
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,599
    I don't think its very productive speech and it doesn't really encourage debate, but it is just free speech.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    JimmyV wrote: »
    I don't think its very productive speech and it doesn't really encourage debate, but it is just free speech.

    your avatar used to be a ref
    what happened?
  • TalonTedd
    TalonTedd Toronto Posts: 835
    edited January 2015
    Moore's comment that snipers are cowards was silly, at worst. They are a practical and unavoidable tool used in warfare. The cowards are the politicians in Washington "writing cheques that others' pay".
    I'll add Canada as well.....Harper is such a coward. Apparently he ran off to hide in a closet when that deranged gunman killed that soldier in cold blood then slithered into parliament looking to grease his Prime Wennieness.
    Post edited by TalonTedd on
    I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    TalonTedd wrote: »
    Moore's comment that snipers are cowards was silly, at worst. They are a practical and unavoidable tool used in warfare. The cowards are the politicians in Washington "writing cheques that others' pay".

    Medals on a wooden mantle

    Talon Tedd get off your knees
  • TalonTedd
    TalonTedd Toronto Posts: 835
    Are we done. Can I place the pledge pin on that wooden mantle.
    I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    TalonTedd wrote: »
    Are we done. Can I place the pledge pin on that wooden mantle.

    only if you remove that Molson Canadian sticker of your avatar
  • TalonTedd
    TalonTedd Toronto Posts: 835
    Never!!!!
    I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    The criticism of "the sniper" is really a proxy battle for what is really freaking out Michael Moore...the possibility that people might actually walk out of the theater thinking the Iraq War was just.
  • TalonTedd
    TalonTedd Toronto Posts: 835
    Just as a side note. I have absolutely no intention whatsoever of watching that flick, and I like Bradley cooper, thought Silver linings was a great performance....Dances about as good as Arnold Forskineater.
    I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    edited January 2015
    OK, I'll bite (probably not the right term given the nickname...?), but who is Arnold Foreskineater?

    I'll definitely check out the film - when it comes on demand. Previews seen looked powerful, and the passages I've read of his book were the same.

    Plus Eastwood makes some damn fine films.

    JimmyV, good posts. Times when I can't get my thoughts together succinctly, someone here usually does.

    edit to the Talon man - Schwarzenegger? (and hey! I spelled it right on the first try)
    Post edited by hedonist on
  • TalonTedd
    TalonTedd Toronto Posts: 835
    edited January 2015
    BS44325 wrote: »
    The criticism of "the sniper" is really a proxy battle for what is really freaking out Michael Moore...the possibility that people might actually walk out of the theater thinking the Iraq War was just.
    well said. maybe I should watch this flick. The commercials make it seem like the sniper suffered some PTSD. Maybe there is a more human side to the film. Clint Eastwood, directed it and I don't believe he is pro-war. Anybody see the film.
    Post edited by TalonTedd on
    I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »
    brianlux wrote: »
    backseatLover12 wrote: »
    cincybearcat wrote: »
    Oh please Brian, step off your pedestal. People have said far worse about others here, and I'm not addressing a single poster here.

    Way to have respect for a day observed nationally to honor a man to have made a difference in the name of PEACE and rights for everyone. THAT'S what Brian is talking about. He's on no pedestal, you must be merely in need to point a finger somewhere, and you were told how it is.

    I have to cop to this one, bsL12, cincy's call was good. It is true that others -probably all of us at one point- have said worse.

    That said, I won't renege on anything else I've said here. It is so U.S. of us to glorify someone who sits in a tree (or whatever) and picks off people. I suppose I am guilty of reacting a bit too strongly... maybe... on this issue but six decades of watching the U.S. become more and more a warring nation I just can't stomach the guts 'n gory glory hallefuckinlujah posturing that defines so much of what we have become as a nation. And I am speaking in general terms here. I don't mean to single any one out here. It's the combined overall effect of a bloodthirsty, aggressive murderous position we have take as a whole that I rage against.

    As for Michael Moore, yeah it's easy to criticize someone in the lime light and I'm sure he has his faults but he has the guts to speak his mind on issues that so many others back off from. It's a wonder he's still alive. I say, good for him and thanks for the courage to speak out. That is what this is supposed to be all about, right? Courage.


    must be nice to perch from your tree while others have your back

    And how easy it is to dash of your little one liners and really have nothing of value to say.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • TalonTedd
    TalonTedd Toronto Posts: 835
    You nailed it hedonist. heres another.....Bigorny Beaver.
    I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
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