BIlly Corgan talks shit on PJ on Howard Stern show..

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  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    CharlieP said:

    The guy believes that art is a competition....enough said

    I think it's more multifaceted than that. He's talking about multi-millionaire musicians stretching themselves. Honestly I don't think anyone 100% buys into the notion that ALL music is art - if we were going by that idea we would all have to concede that Justin Bieber may in fact be making honest art.

  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Kat just wanted to make sure we stayed on task flaming this jackass lol
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Last-12-Exit said:

    tominzinga said:

    facepollution said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    Also, in my opinion, none of the SP albums can compare to any of the PJ albums.

    Oh come on, Siamese Dream, SIAMESE DREAM! That album is absolutely airtight perfection.

    I think I connect with Pearl Jam more on a lyrical basis, and Eddie is by far the better singer, but the musicianship on Siamese Dream is insanely good.



    gotta agree here, siamese is a classic
    I'm happy for you. Great CD. If I had to put a Pj CD up against it, Vitalogy for example (only because I don't know when Siamese dreams was released.) Song for song, I'm taking Vitalogy.
    Fair play, I'd take Vitalogy lyrically and for Ed's vocals, but the song structures/ musicianship on Siamese Dream are easily a cut above in my book.

  • Peacefrog1975
    Peacefrog1975 Posts: 815
    CharlieP said:

    The guy believes that art is a competition....enough said

    Great point Charlie!
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Peacefrog1975 said:

    CharlieP said:

    The guy believes that art is a competition....enough said

    Great point Charlie!
    That's a cop out argument, we ALL compare music one way or another.

  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Actually, because he's a really good interviewer, Howard led him down the competition path.
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  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 98,322
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  • whispering hands
    whispering hands Under your skin Posts: 13,527
    Soooooo... We can tell Corigan to go fuck himself in THIS thread then??
  • OMGkatwoman
    OMGkatwoman Posts: 3,230
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  • ckravitz
    ckravitz NJ Posts: 1,668
    Seriously, at Billy's age, bashing contemporaries? It's sort of sad really. Who beyond the (mental) age of 16 doesn't just say "no comment" or just avoid making comments about other famous people....It takes significantly more maturity and discretion quite frankly.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    ckravitz said:

    Seriously, at Billy's age, bashing contemporaries? It's sort of sad really. Who beyond the (mental) age of 16 doesn't just say "no comment" or just avoid making comments about other famous people....It takes significantly more maturity and discretion quite frankly.

  • Given2Fly-Fish
    Given2Fly-Fish Posts: 826
    TheLuckyOnes said:

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    Awesome!!!
  • KV4053
    KV4053 Mike's side, crushed up against the stage Posts: 1,514
    my2hands said:

    Let me ask this fairly obvious question since I keep hearing people mentioning "pushing boundaries" and "experimenting"...

    What is wrong with making straight up badass rock & roll? You guys do realize that is dying fast right? And as soon as PJ made some weird shit you guys would be blasting them... frankly there are few if any bands that have the range of pearl jam, period...

    This is why I love gaslight anthem, they make straight up rock records and don't apologize for it...

    want to hear some weird shit, pick up a radiohead record... want to hear some badass rock & roll, pick up a pearl jam record

    "Experimentation", "pushing boundaries", and "expanding your sound" doesn't automatically make something good or "genius" like Billy boy would like to think...

    Eddie Vedder made a ukulele record for god's sake... who the fuck does that?

    Great points!
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  • Peacefrog1975
    Peacefrog1975 Posts: 815
    facepollution said:

    Peacefrog1975 said:

    CharlieP said:

    The guy believes that art is a competition....enough said

    Great point Charlie!
    That's a cop out argument, we ALL compare music one way or another.

    Compare and Compete are two different words…
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,815
    And Billy never said PJ didn't evolve. He said that about the Foo Fighters. So I don't know why the people defending him went there. He said PJ didn't have the songs. Which of course is not true.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
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    TJ25487 said:

    The Juggler said:


    TJ25487 said:


    As far as Pearl Jam evolving or being experimental, others have touched on it here in the fact that they have been evolving their whole career. Making different sounding albums one after another. That is why they have lost so many listeners from the early days as most people would rather have them remake Ten over and over again (think Nickelback here). I would have left a long time ago. Are every one of there releases going to be the second coming? No but I sure as hell can put Backspacer on and enjoy the hell out of it and L-Bolt gives me Yield like feelings which I love. Peace!

    see that's the thing. i'd love for them to go back to making different sounding albums that may end up alienating and losing more people. that's when they were at their best. problem is, i believe they've tried to do the opposite over the last decade by making more mainstream sounding music to draw in a bigger audience......the results have been mixed. mostly average to good albums (and backspacer) that sound cool live....but ultimately are more inconsistent and less challenging than their best work.
    I hear ya Juggler but you may be out of luck. You look at other long running legendary bands such as The Beatles, U2 , The Who, Stones etc. and you will see an album or 2 of experimentation but then it's back to doing what they are most comfortable doing. I guess thats when you keep your ears peeled for the next groundbreaking band to hit?
    I don't know man. all the b sides and leaks from the last decade plus tells me they are leaving their best stuff off these records. like someone else said, maybe it's about switching producers or something...
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    All this is comical. It's his opinion.

    Smashing pumpkins made some terrific music. In my opinion Pear Jam is the best in the business short term and long term. Albums and live. Story telling and face melting. They have it all.

    Really the interview didn't seem that bad. Hes wrong...in my opinion...but he's entitled to his opinion and entitled to be wrong ;)
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,117
    of course he's entitled to his opinion.........but we're entitled to discuss it without being belittled for doing so. seems to me some people seem to think he has a legitimate point, others do not. that's a discussion. pretty simple really.

    I don't understand why people chime in if they think doing so is so "below them".
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,117
    The Juggler said:

    TJ25487 said:

    The Juggler said:


    TJ25487 said:


    As far as Pearl Jam evolving or being experimental, others have touched on it here in the fact that they have been evolving their whole career. Making different sounding albums one after another. That is why they have lost so many listeners from the early days as most people would rather have them remake Ten over and over again (think Nickelback here). I would have left a long time ago. Are every one of there releases going to be the second coming? No but I sure as hell can put Backspacer on and enjoy the hell out of it and L-Bolt gives me Yield like feelings which I love. Peace!

    see that's the thing. i'd love for them to go back to making different sounding albums that may end up alienating and losing more people. that's when they were at their best. problem is, i believe they've tried to do the opposite over the last decade by making more mainstream sounding music to draw in a bigger audience......the results have been mixed. mostly average to good albums (and backspacer) that sound cool live....but ultimately are more inconsistent and less challenging than their best work.
    I hear ya Juggler but you may be out of luck. You look at other long running legendary bands such as The Beatles, U2 , The Who, Stones etc. and you will see an album or 2 of experimentation but then it's back to doing what they are most comfortable doing. I guess thats when you keep your ears peeled for the next groundbreaking band to hit?
    I don't know man. all the b sides and leaks from the last decade plus tells me they are leaving their best stuff off these records. like someone else said, maybe it's about switching producers or something...
    the last two leaks are awesome songs. But put them in context. would they actually fit on Avocado? do we think they are superior just because of some type of hindsight? maybe, maybe not. But the band is no longer fighting putting out the best songs. they are putting out the songs that fit together. as Ed said in the Lost Dogs liner notes about one track that escapes me at the moment, the quote was something like this "suffered from 'one of these is not like the other' syndrome". that's all it boils down to with these guys now. great songs can be left off because they don't fit with the rest.

    would Angel have fit on Ten or VS? no, but it's a great song. I also happen to love Happy When I'm Crying. But it doesn't belong on any album, really. Same with Santa Cruz, or Strangest Tribe, or Driftin'.

    I think at some point we'll be getting a Stray Cats, but we'll have to wait and see until then.

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