Enhanced Interrogation Techniques and Torturing Some Folks Memos

rr165892 said:

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badbrains said:

How can anyone defend torture? Black yellow or red, shits wrong. What blows my mind is that we can get info from all over the world. Can read as much as we want on subjects to make our own decessions. And yet we still have people who can see no wrong in what our government is doing. What's that awesome line from that awesome song? "Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country's doing TO YOU!"

Nart ,watch the Movie Unthinkable with Samuel L Jackson.It frames this exact argument perfectly.Its way more complex of an issue then our little conversations on this board.

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rr165892 said:

Sleep deprevation,Loud music,uncomfortable positions are 3 of the four items in the report.So that is the torture you guys are worried about? Im sure tickleing with a feather ,and wet willies would also make the list.Lets get real here.We live in a world with evil people and we are not going to contain them by asking nice and offering comfy pillows.
These fuckers lop off heads and blow up children and we are worried about pouring water on some scum bag.We are too nice.What the hell are we releasing this for anyway,just stupid.

Ab-Sol-Fuking-lootly…...We are such a joke now to our enemies now. The pusification of American Continues.

Yeah let's sodomize the whole world, that will show our enemies who's tough.

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rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Torture is not ok. But guess what? The United states will always do it. If you think for a millisecond that this report will stop torture, you're simply naive and wrong. And you know what else? Every other country in the world will to it too. Think about how evil we are for threatening to kill someones family member the next time you watch another American get his head cut off by a dull knife because of this ridiculous report.

Oh that's just plain ridiculous. If everyone knows we torture why is this report going to make someone cut someone's head off?? It can't be both. People don't join terrorist orgs because of Senate reports, they join because their village, their family, their country is being bombed.

Or because of a twisted religious dogma.

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rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Torture is not ok. But guess what? The United states will always do it. If you think for a millisecond that this report will stop torture, you're simply naive and wrong. And you know what else? Every other country in the world will to it too. Think about how evil we are for threatening to kill someones family member the next time you watch another American get his head cut off by a dull knife because of this ridiculous report.

Oh that's just plain ridiculous. If everyone knows we torture why is this report going to make someone cut someone's head off?? It can't be both. People don't join terrorist orgs because of Senate reports, they join because their village, their family, their country is being bombed.

Or because of a twisted religious dogma.

RR. We are no different Hell we do it for corporations then use religion to get public behind our violence. Why are we in the Middle East?? Fuck we invaded their area of the world. We are the aggressors. Our troops and $$$$ are still contributing to death.

Last-12-Exit said:

Torture is not ok. But guess what? The United states will always do it. If you think for a millisecond that this report will stop torture, you're simply naive and wrong. And you know what else? Every other country in the world will to it too. Think about how evil we are for threatening to kill someones family member the next time you watch another American get his head cut off by a dull knife because of this ridiculous report.

rr165892 said:

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Drowned Out said:

JC29856 said:

Approximately 200 people died in U.S. custody, including at least a dozen during or shortly after interrogations.

Killed by interrogation techniques that are so soft rr makes light of them. What pussies, right?....I mean...at least they weren't beheaded, that's a way worse way to go than being tortured to death, right?
Oh, but these were 'scum bags', not journalists.....
Well, maybe...But how many innocent people were detained and, as mentioned, released without charge?
Will we get full investigations into the 'dozen' (nice guess?) killed while being tortured? Is it possible the US tortured innocent people to death? Were there innocents amongst the hundreds who died in custody?

rr165892 said:

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rr165892 said:

Sleep deprevation,Loud music,uncomfortable positions are 3 of the four items in the report.So that is the torture you guys are worried about? Im sure tickleing with a feather ,and wet willies would also make the list.Lets get real here.We live in a world with evil people and we are not going to contain them by asking nice and offering comfy pillows.
These fuckers lop off heads and blow up children and we are worried about pouring water on some scum bag.We are too nice.What the hell are we releasing this for anyway,just stupid.

Ironic. So who are the Evil Ones??

Well Cal I'm sure you guys think it's us.You know those evil Americans with our freedoms of speech and religion.The same ones who let our ladies drive and school girls study.How dare Us.
Has our foreign policy been a mess? Have we also done things that are not kosher?Sure,But let's not pretend that those innocent jihadists are not a problem.We at least don't "try" to run up an innocent body count.

You don't? So the use of depleted uranium shells, mini-nukes/'bunker busters' etc - guaranteed to kill innocents, has always been an accident? The US didn't 'try' to drop A-bombs on entire cities? Those helicopter pilots killing journalists and then the paramedics that came to help, on orders?....oops. I could come up with endless examples of actions where innocent victims were written off as collateral damage, as a matter of policy: not accidental deaths. When 'they' do it - it's terrorism. When 'we' do it - it's 'not kosher'. almost funny.
I'll keep reminding you here as well.....ISIS is a US/ally creation and proxy in Syria. You're deflecting... right back at yourself.

Deflecting what Drowned? I know you get all hot and bothered every time we have a us(US/the west)vs Them conversation.You always take the anti west stance especially when the Middle East is involved.Why?
Bringing WW2 and its Harsh realities don't apply to this conversation.Every modern country has past regrets based on war.From the Roman Empire to Nazi Germany to our Attacks on Japan.
I don't condone atrocities Commited by us and I sure as hell don't about those who want to inflict harm.
I don't disagree about our part in creating the ISIS problem ,but we cannot just walk away and let that type of ideology run rough shot on the Middle East.

rgambs said:

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rr165892 said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Torture is not ok. But guess what? The United states will always do it. If you think for a millisecond that this report will stop torture, you're simply naive and wrong. And you know what else? Every other country in the world will to it too. Think about how evil we are for threatening to kill someones family member the next time you watch another American get his head cut off by a dull knife because of this ridiculous report.

Oh that's just plain ridiculous. If everyone knows we torture why is this report going to make someone cut someone's head off?? It can't be both. People don't join terrorist orgs because of Senate reports, they join because their village, their family, their country is being bombed.

Or because of a twisted religious dogma.

RR. We are no different Hell we do it for corporations then use religion to get public behind our violence. Why are we in the Middle East?? Fuck we invaded their area of the world. We are the aggressors. Our troops and $$$$ are still contributing to death.

To a certain extent I agree.But we also have protected and supported many also.Our involvement is not all bad.IMO in today's global buisness climate we have to be in many regions,tinkering propping up and developing for the all mighty dollar.We are more interconnected then ever.And as long as we need to keep our economy moving and Fuel in our vehicles it will not change.

Aren't you basically saying money is more valueable than human life and dignity?

rgambs said:

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rr165892 said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Torture is not ok. But guess what? The United states will always do it. If you think for a millisecond that this report will stop torture, you're simply naive and wrong. And you know what else? Every other country in the world will to it too. Think about how evil we are for threatening to kill someones family member the next time you watch another American get his head cut off by a dull knife because of this ridiculous report.

Oh that's just plain ridiculous. If everyone knows we torture why is this report going to make someone cut someone's head off?? It can't be both. People don't join terrorist orgs because of Senate reports, they join because their village, their family, their country is being bombed.

Or because of a twisted religious dogma.

RR. We are no different Hell we do it for corporations then use religion to get public behind our violence. Why are we in the Middle East?? Fuck we invaded their area of the world. We are the aggressors. Our troops and $$$$ are still contributing to death.

To a certain extent I agree.But we also have protected and supported many also.Our involvement is not all bad.IMO in today's global buisness climate we have to be in many regions,tinkering propping up and developing for the all mighty dollar.We are more interconnected then ever.And as long as we need to keep our economy moving and Fuel in our vehicles it will not change.

Aren't you basically saying money is more valueable than human life and dignity?