BILL COSBY IS A CONVICTED RAPIST

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  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    Hard evidence maybe not but there seem to be a few cases in which he's financially settled out of court. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    JK_Livin said:

    Hard evidence maybe not but there seem to be a few cases in which he's financially settled out of court. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

    Yeah, hmmmmmm.

    That can just as easily look like someone wanted to avoid proving anything in court and collect some easy $$$

    I admit the video Juggler posted of Cosby and the AP is quite suspicious. But then again we don't know his full intentions. If you were accused of rape - and let's say you're innocent - would you really want it brought up in a TV interview? Would you want to have to say you're innocent and your accuser settled out of court and you're trying to move on with your life, etc. No, you'd probably want it to go away and not get brought up again. And I mean his wife was sitting right beside him, too. I'm sure he was doing it to protect her, as well.
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  • ldent42
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    The Waiting Trophy Man said:

    No, you'd probably want it to go away and not get brought up again.

    How can you understand that from the point of view of the accused but not of the victim? If you were raped, that is most likely exactly how you would feel too!!!

    and for the record I was asking cuz I'm not a lawyer. I don't know how everything works, but it seems to me that rape victims have more put on them to produce evidence of their assault than anyone else. That's why I asked - because I am not a lawyer and I do not know.
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  • hedonist
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    Idris said:

    jeffbr said:

    ldent42 said:


    I do consider the testimony of the women to be a type of evidence. Also isn't rape the only violent crime when the burden of proof is on the victim?

    Of course testimony of women is evidence. Just not the basis of a conviction barring any other physical evidence.

    The burden of proof in a burglary is on the victim/accuser as well if they name an alleged perp isn't it? Any time one party names another party the burden of proof is on the accuser (or should be). And barring any corroborating physical evidence, an arrest won't likely be made for that burglary.

    I am not defending Cosby because he's Bill Cosby. I agree that it appears he's got something shady going on in his personal life. But I can't condemn him based on decades old stories and so far ZERO evidence. Give me a couple of pieces of actual, solid evidence and I'm on the bandwagon to have him hanged from a tree. But at this point if 30 more women come forward parroting the same story we've already heard and yet we still have no physical evidence of any kind, I still will remain on the fence waiting. I wouldn't trust him alone with my mom, wife or daughter at this point (which is sad if he's actually innocent), but I also wouldn't send him to the gallows based on the current circumstances.
    I agree, and well said btw.
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  • Empty Glass
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    Question on settling out of court. On anything, not this topic alone. If you settle out of court, can you then take them to court?
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  • hedonist
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    Empty Glass said:

    Question on settling out of court. On anything, not this topic alone. If you settle out of court, can you then take them to court?

    I believe a settlement does just that, Empty - settles a situation (or accusation) with no further opportunity for recourse...similar to signing a release.

    It's tough - maybe impossible - to assume guilt or innocence based solely on that; maybe the efforts or resources expended are considered less than the turmoil of going through a full trial.

    And, I have to wonder about accepting such a settlement...I mean, what's the point of receiving money when justice is desired or deserved? When exposing someone for who they supposedly are and having them be accountable for their actions non-financially.

    For alleged crimes such as this, money means shit. To me, anyway.

  • pjhawks
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    i said it before and i'll say it again. the leeway some people give celebrities vs. the common man is mind boggling.
  • Empty Glass
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    hedonist said:

    Empty Glass said:

    Question on settling out of court. On anything, not this topic alone. If you settle out of court, can you then take them to court?

    I believe a settlement does just that, Empty - settles a situation (or accusation) with no further opportunity for recourse...similar to signing a release.

    It's tough - maybe impossible - to assume guilt or innocence based solely on that; maybe the efforts or resources expended are considered less than the turmoil of going through a full trial.

    And, I have to wonder about accepting such a settlement...I mean, what's the point of receiving money when justice is desired or deserved? When exposing someone for who they supposedly are and having them be accountable for their actions non-financially.

    For alleged crimes such as this, money means shit. To me, anyway.

    Ok, I thought so. And none of these accusations are coming from women who have settled? I'm not following this, but when the story comes to me I keep hearing about these settlements
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  • JWPearl
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    it all too shocking
  • hedonist
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    pjhawks said:

    i said it before and i'll say it again. the leeway some people give celebrities vs. the common man is mind boggling.

    I'm not sure if that's directed at me or not, but if so - I've said nothing about latitude or being blinded by fame (I don't think anyone else has either). In fact, I've said several times I just don't know (and I doubt anyone here CAN know). Even made a point of saying supposedly and allegedly.

    Anyway, we'll think what we want.

    Well, I will.

  • Idris
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    pjhawks said:

    the leeway some people give celebrities vs. the common man is mind boggling.

    That's a great bit of commentary on our society, (as a whole)
  • RKCNDY
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    for those that question why victims don't go to the police to report rape: http://metronews.ca/voices/1195705/jian-ghomeshi-case-highlights-why-some-women-dont-report-assaults-column/

    there was an article I saw (trying to find it), and it detailed the questions victims are asked during a rape trial, they are very probing and actually try to sway the jury to rule in favor of the defendant. I can see why people wouldn't want to be forced to re-live the attack.

    I grew up on watching Cosby-Captain Kangaroo, Fat Albert, etc. and enjoyed his work.
    I feel for the victims, sexual assault is terrifying.
    For now, I'm just going to wait and see how everything plays out.
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  • ldent42
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    For a lot of victims that assault is a life altering event. The psychological trauma they endure is a form of PTSD. Treatment is not free, at least not in the US. Not every victim can immediately go back to work, sometimes even leaving the house becomes difficult. It's no different than taking a settlement from an insurance company after getting hit by a car.
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    he's a pretty good rapper
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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
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    ldent42 said:

    The Waiting Trophy Man said:

    No, you'd probably want it to go away and not get brought up again.

    How can you understand that from the point of view of the accused but not of the victim? If you were raped, that is most likely exactly how you would feel too!!
    I was just looking at it from Cosby's point of view. That doesn't mean that I can't understand the victim's point of view. That's not really fair. I don't even know if there is a victim. For all I know these are false accusations. But certainly, I can imagine myself as a victim of rape and having that same point of view. I'd probably want to die, too.
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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
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    And by the way, there haven't been "15" accusers. Looks like today the 7th woman came forward, but she's a lawyer and lawyers can't be trusted anyway. And also, someone said there were a few out of court settlements, and there was 1. So we need to keep our facts straight.
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  • The Juggler
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    The Waiting Trophy Man said:

    ldent42 said:

    The Waiting Trophy Man said:

    No, you'd probably want it to go away and not get brought up again.

    How can you understand that from the point of view of the accused but not of the victim? If you were raped, that is most likely exactly how you would feel too!!
    I was just looking at it from Cosby's point of view. That doesn't mean that I can't understand the victim's point of view. That's not really fair. I don't even know if there is a victim. For all I know these are false accusations. But certainly, I can imagine myself as a victim of rape and having that same point of view. I'd probably want to die, too.
    15 people. 15 old women who do not know each other and have nothing to gain, yet all have similiar stories.



    this is bill cosby, not dr huxtable we're talking about.
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  • The Juggler
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    The Waiting Trophy Man said:

    And by the way, there haven't been "15" accusers. Looks like today the 7th woman came forward, but she's a lawyer and lawyers can't be trusted anyway. And also, someone said there were a few out of court settlements, and there was 1. So we need to keep our facts straight.

    the facts are 15 women, to date, have accused him of raping them (10 have chosen to remain anonymous--http://www.vice.com/read/bill-cosby-rape-accuser-barbara-bowman-251 ). 15 women who do not know each other and have nothing to gain by coming forward.

    personally, i think cosby is the one who can't be trusted. the man is sick.

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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    edited November 2014
    Again, I don't know where you're getting the number 15 from? Today the 7th person came forward, from what I read anyway.

    And just to clarify, not all 7 are accusing him of rape. For example, the woman who came forward today said that he acted inappropriately. Apparently he accosted her at a party once, whatever she means by that.
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  • hedonist
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    The Juggler said:

    this is bill cosby, not dr huxtable we're talking about.

    I'm pretty sure most of us can recognize the difference.

    There's much within this whole clusterfuck that can and should be questioned.

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