For those who've already mentally deemed him guilty - do you not consider that jumping the gun along with those who don blinders?
Does evidence matter?
I'm on the fence with this one; wish I weren't but fuckit - too much woodwork-crawling, he said-she said shit.
how do you expect to find evidence of a rape from decades ago? sometimes you just have to put 2 and 2 together to form your opinion.
and it's just he said-she said. it's he said-, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she etc etc etc etc said.....15 or so old women, who do not know each other, who have nothing to gain. i'm not sure why they would all make this up....and all have eerily similiar stories.
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regardless of these allegations.....how is every woman in the world not outraged by this "bit?" he's making light of drugging women so he can have his way with them.
regardless of these allegations.....how is every woman in the world not outraged by this "bit?" he's making light of drugging women so he can have his way with them.
how in the world is that funny?
Right! And Another scary thing...The thousand plus people (men and women) who were in the crowd laughing.
But Bill Cosby is not Cliff Huxtable. Cliff Huxtable was fiction. Hilton Als reminds us: "The power of fiction is that it includes everyone." The power of Cliff Huxtable was his ability to embody many meanings. We all saw fragments of the dad we knew or the dad we wanted in Cliff.
maybe this is all a smear job to discredit his voice for when shit hits the fan with the michael brown ruling. cosby has really only been the consistent, outspoken african american, regarding negative african american conduct.
One of the women who came forward said she felt she could now because her parents are elderly & won't understand or hear about it. And she felt like at this point in her life she's beyond the effects of the stigma.
I do consider the testimony of the women to be a type of evidence. Also isn't rape the only violent crime when the burden of proof is on the victim?
I do consider the testimony of the women to be a type of evidence. Also isn't rape the only violent crime when the burden of proof is on the victim?
Of course testimony of women is evidence. Just not the basis of a conviction barring any other physical evidence.
The burden of proof in a burglary is on the victim/accuser as well if they name an alleged perp isn't it? Any time one party names another party the burden of proof is on the accuser (or should be). And barring any corroborating physical evidence, an arrest won't likely be made for that burglary.
I am not defending Cosby because he's Bill Cosby. I agree that it appears he's got something shady going on in his personal life. But I can't condemn him based on decades old stories and so far ZERO evidence. Give me a couple of pieces of actual, solid evidence and I'm on the bandwagon to have him hanged from a tree. But at this point if 30 more women come forward parroting the same story we've already heard and yet we still have no physical evidence of any kind, I still will remain on the fence waiting. I wouldn't trust him alone with my mom, wife or daughter at this point (which is sad if he's actually innocent), but I also wouldn't send him to the gallows based on the current circumstances.
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I do consider the testimony of the women to be a type of evidence. Also isn't rape the only violent crime when the burden of proof is on the victim?
Of course testimony of women is evidence. Just not the basis of a conviction barring any other physical evidence.
The burden of proof in a burglary is on the victim/accuser as well if they name an alleged perp isn't it? Any time one party names another party the burden of proof is on the accuser (or should be). And barring any corroborating physical evidence, an arrest won't likely be made for that burglary.
I am not defending Cosby because he's Bill Cosby. I agree that it appears he's got something shady going on in his personal life. But I can't condemn him based on decades old stories and so far ZERO evidence. Give me a couple of pieces of actual, solid evidence and I'm on the bandwagon to have him hanged from a tree. But at this point if 30 more women come forward parroting the same story we've already heard and yet we still have no physical evidence of any kind, I still will remain on the fence waiting. I wouldn't trust him alone with my mom, wife or daughter at this point (which is sad if he's actually innocent), but I also wouldn't send him to the gallows based on the current circumstances.
Hard evidence maybe not but there seem to be a few cases in which he's financially settled out of court. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Yeah, hmmmmmm.
That can just as easily look like someone wanted to avoid proving anything in court and collect some easy $$$
I admit the video Juggler posted of Cosby and the AP is quite suspicious. But then again we don't know his full intentions. If you were accused of rape - and let's say you're innocent - would you really want it brought up in a TV interview? Would you want to have to say you're innocent and your accuser settled out of court and you're trying to move on with your life, etc. No, you'd probably want it to go away and not get brought up again. And I mean his wife was sitting right beside him, too. I'm sure he was doing it to protect her, as well.
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No, you'd probably want it to go away and not get brought up again.
How can you understand that from the point of view of the accused but not of the victim? If you were raped, that is most likely exactly how you would feel too!!!
and for the record I was asking cuz I'm not a lawyer. I don't know how everything works, but it seems to me that rape victims have more put on them to produce evidence of their assault than anyone else. That's why I asked - because I am not a lawyer and I do not know.
I do consider the testimony of the women to be a type of evidence. Also isn't rape the only violent crime when the burden of proof is on the victim?
Of course testimony of women is evidence. Just not the basis of a conviction barring any other physical evidence.
The burden of proof in a burglary is on the victim/accuser as well if they name an alleged perp isn't it? Any time one party names another party the burden of proof is on the accuser (or should be). And barring any corroborating physical evidence, an arrest won't likely be made for that burglary.
I am not defending Cosby because he's Bill Cosby. I agree that it appears he's got something shady going on in his personal life. But I can't condemn him based on decades old stories and so far ZERO evidence. Give me a couple of pieces of actual, solid evidence and I'm on the bandwagon to have him hanged from a tree. But at this point if 30 more women come forward parroting the same story we've already heard and yet we still have no physical evidence of any kind, I still will remain on the fence waiting. I wouldn't trust him alone with my mom, wife or daughter at this point (which is sad if he's actually innocent), but I also wouldn't send him to the gallows based on the current circumstances.
Question on settling out of court. On anything, not this topic alone. If you settle out of court, can you then take them to court?
I believe a settlement does just that, Empty - settles a situation (or accusation) with no further opportunity for recourse...similar to signing a release.
It's tough - maybe impossible - to assume guilt or innocence based solely on that; maybe the efforts or resources expended are considered less than the turmoil of going through a full trial.
And, I have to wonder about accepting such a settlement...I mean, what's the point of receiving money when justice is desired or deserved? When exposing someone for who they supposedly are and having them be accountable for their actions non-financially.
For alleged crimes such as this, money means shit. To me, anyway.
Question on settling out of court. On anything, not this topic alone. If you settle out of court, can you then take them to court?
I believe a settlement does just that, Empty - settles a situation (or accusation) with no further opportunity for recourse...similar to signing a release.
It's tough - maybe impossible - to assume guilt or innocence based solely on that; maybe the efforts or resources expended are considered less than the turmoil of going through a full trial.
And, I have to wonder about accepting such a settlement...I mean, what's the point of receiving money when justice is desired or deserved? When exposing someone for who they supposedly are and having them be accountable for their actions non-financially.
For alleged crimes such as this, money means shit. To me, anyway.
Ok, I thought so. And none of these accusations are coming from women who have settled? I'm not following this, but when the story comes to me I keep hearing about these settlements
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i said it before and i'll say it again. the leeway some people give celebrities vs. the common man is mind boggling.
I'm not sure if that's directed at me or not, but if so - I've said nothing about latitude or being blinded by fame (I don't think anyone else has either). In fact, I've said several times I just don't know (and I doubt anyone here CAN know). Even made a point of saying supposedly and allegedly.
there was an article I saw (trying to find it), and it detailed the questions victims are asked during a rape trial, they are very probing and actually try to sway the jury to rule in favor of the defendant. I can see why people wouldn't want to be forced to re-live the attack.
I grew up on watching Cosby-Captain Kangaroo, Fat Albert, etc. and enjoyed his work. I feel for the victims, sexual assault is terrifying. For now, I'm just going to wait and see how everything plays out.
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For a lot of victims that assault is a life altering event. The psychological trauma they endure is a form of PTSD. Treatment is not free, at least not in the US. Not every victim can immediately go back to work, sometimes even leaving the house becomes difficult. It's no different than taking a settlement from an insurance company after getting hit by a car.
No, you'd probably want it to go away and not get brought up again.
How can you understand that from the point of view of the accused but not of the victim? If you were raped, that is most likely exactly how you would feel too!!
I was just looking at it from Cosby's point of view. That doesn't mean that I can't understand the victim's point of view. That's not really fair. I don't even know if there is a victim. For all I know these are false accusations. But certainly, I can imagine myself as a victim of rape and having that same point of view. I'd probably want to die, too.
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And by the way, there haven't been "15" accusers. Looks like today the 7th woman came forward, but she's a lawyer and lawyers can't be trusted anyway. And also, someone said there were a few out of court settlements, and there was 1. So we need to keep our facts straight.
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No, you'd probably want it to go away and not get brought up again.
How can you understand that from the point of view of the accused but not of the victim? If you were raped, that is most likely exactly how you would feel too!!
I was just looking at it from Cosby's point of view. That doesn't mean that I can't understand the victim's point of view. That's not really fair. I don't even know if there is a victim. For all I know these are false accusations. But certainly, I can imagine myself as a victim of rape and having that same point of view. I'd probably want to die, too.
15 people. 15 old women who do not know each other and have nothing to gain, yet all have similiar stories.
this is bill cosby, not dr huxtable we're talking about.
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And by the way, there haven't been "15" accusers. Looks like today the 7th woman came forward, but she's a lawyer and lawyers can't be trusted anyway. And also, someone said there were a few out of court settlements, and there was 1. So we need to keep our facts straight.
Again, I don't know where you're getting the number 15 from? Today the 7th person came forward, from what I read anyway.
And just to clarify, not all 7 are accusing him of rape. For example, the woman who came forward today said that he acted inappropriately. Apparently he accosted her at a party once, whatever she means by that.
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and it's just he said-she said. it's he said-, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she etc etc etc etc said.....15 or so old women, who do not know each other, who have nothing to gain. i'm not sure why they would all make this up....and all have eerily similiar stories.
how in the world is that funny?
And Another scary thing...The thousand plus people (men and women) who were in the crowd laughing.
Its all very telling (society)
But Bill Cosby is not Cliff Huxtable. Cliff Huxtable was fiction. Hilton Als reminds us: "The power of fiction is that it includes everyone." The power of Cliff Huxtable was his ability to embody many meanings. We all saw fragments of the dad we knew or the dad we wanted in Cliff.
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I do consider the testimony of the women to be a type of evidence. Also isn't rape the only violent crime when the burden of proof is on the victim?
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The burden of proof in a burglary is on the victim/accuser as well if they name an alleged perp isn't it? Any time one party names another party the burden of proof is on the accuser (or should be). And barring any corroborating physical evidence, an arrest won't likely be made for that burglary.
I am not defending Cosby because he's Bill Cosby. I agree that it appears he's got something shady going on in his personal life. But I can't condemn him based on decades old stories and so far ZERO evidence. Give me a couple of pieces of actual, solid evidence and I'm on the bandwagon to have him hanged from a tree. But at this point if 30 more women come forward parroting the same story we've already heard and yet we still have no physical evidence of any kind, I still will remain on the fence waiting. I wouldn't trust him alone with my mom, wife or daughter at this point (which is sad if he's actually innocent), but I also wouldn't send him to the gallows based on the current circumstances.
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That can just as easily look like someone wanted to avoid proving anything in court and collect some easy $$$
I admit the video Juggler posted of Cosby and the AP is quite suspicious. But then again we don't know his full intentions. If you were accused of rape - and let's say you're innocent - would you really want it brought up in a TV interview? Would you want to have to say you're innocent and your accuser settled out of court and you're trying to move on with your life, etc. No, you'd probably want it to go away and not get brought up again. And I mean his wife was sitting right beside him, too. I'm sure he was doing it to protect her, as well.
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and for the record I was asking cuz I'm not a lawyer. I don't know how everything works, but it seems to me that rape victims have more put on them to produce evidence of their assault than anyone else. That's why I asked - because I am not a lawyer and I do not know.
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It's tough - maybe impossible - to assume guilt or innocence based solely on that; maybe the efforts or resources expended are considered less than the turmoil of going through a full trial.
And, I have to wonder about accepting such a settlement...I mean, what's the point of receiving money when justice is desired or deserved? When exposing someone for who they supposedly are and having them be accountable for their actions non-financially.
For alleged crimes such as this, money means shit. To me, anyway.
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Anyway, we'll think what we want.
Well, I will.
there was an article I saw (trying to find it), and it detailed the questions victims are asked during a rape trial, they are very probing and actually try to sway the jury to rule in favor of the defendant. I can see why people wouldn't want to be forced to re-live the attack.
I grew up on watching Cosby-Captain Kangaroo, Fat Albert, etc. and enjoyed his work.
I feel for the victims, sexual assault is terrifying.
For now, I'm just going to wait and see how everything plays out.
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this is bill cosby, not dr huxtable we're talking about.
personally, i think cosby is the one who can't be trusted. the man is sick.
And just to clarify, not all 7 are accusing him of rape. For example, the woman who came forward today said that he acted inappropriately. Apparently he accosted her at a party once, whatever she means by that.
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There's much within this whole clusterfuck that can and should be questioned.