He's never been charged and there isn't a shred of evidence. So far the 2 things that stand out to me is he's rich and he's black. Racism and gold digging at work, it seems.
You guys realize there are a lot of crazy bitches out there, right? Bitches be crazy!
what are your thoughts on the story i posted about where the former Montgomery County Pennsylvania DA thinks he is guilty in the 2004 case but didn't have enough to get a conviction so didn't charge him? he is crazy too?
I'm not sure where race comes in; haven't seen it mentioned in anything I've read so far.
I get that some weird gold-bandwagon thing may be involved, but because he's black?
This whole debacle has morphed into an odd clusterfuck (not necessarily or solely here, but the commentary, speculations, fucking Dickinson, etc.). I just don't know.
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Since after all, filing a police report recounting every single traumatizing detail of what happened to you while proving that you were victimized and not "asking for it" based on what you drank and what clothes you wore and getting an intrusive medical examination are the easiest things in the world to do when you're traumatized from a personal violation as severe as rape.
this is so fucked up for a whole generation of kids that grew up with this guy. including yours truly if he is guilty then I hope justice finally gets served.
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I just want some actual evidence before crying for him to be in prison. Innocent before proven guilty. I'm not a Cosby fan or anything. Has nothing to do with that. I just don't like witch hunts that are based on no real evidence. For me, a handful of women making accusations doesn't actually hold much water when it comes to accusing very rich and famous people of crimes. There are a LOT of people in the world who would falsley accuse people for shit just because they have mental issues or think they can get money or some kind of attention from it. I'm NOT saying that is the case here.... but it's the reason I want more evidence collected by the police before I act like I know he's guilty.
I do find it hard to believe that 15 women came out, and not only did none of THEM get examined or go to the cops when it happened, but, given that number and then assuming there would be MANY more vicitims who haven't spoken up if 15 have, it's hard to imagine that not a single one of them ever immediately called the cops or got a rape kit done. Not a single one?? Seems odd is all.
Anyway, I will watch to see if any evidence ever arises here. In a way I hope so, because if he's innocent, these allegations are ruining his life in short order. That is only okay (and even pleasing) if he's actually guilty!
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I just want some actual evidence before crying for him to be in prison. Innocent before proven guilty. I'm not a Cosby fan or anything. Has nothing to do with that. I just don't like witch hunts that are based on no real evidence. For me, a handful of women making accusations doesn't actually hold much water when it comes to accusing very rich and famous people of crimes. There are a LOT of people in the world who would falsley accuse people for shit just because they have mental issues or think they can get money or some kind of attention from it. I'm NOT saying that is the case here.... but it's the reason I want more evidence collected by the police before I act like I know he's guilty.
I do find it hard to believe that 15 women came out, and not only did none of THEM get examined or go to the cops when it happened, but, given that number and then assuming there would be MANY more vicitims who haven't spoken up if 15 have, it's hard to imagine that not a single one of them ever immediately called the cops or got a rape kit done. Not a single one?? Seems odd is all.
Anyway, I will watch to see if any evidence ever arises here. In a way I hope so, because if he's innocent, these allegations are ruining his life in short order. That is only okay (and even pleasing) if he's actually guilty!
i posted a link on the previous page to the story below from NBC10.com in Philadelphia yesterday. Women in 2004 from Temple University did go the police and the DA who got the case believes he is guilty. see below.
from NBC10.Com A former Pennsylvania district attorney who declined to prosecute Bill Cosby on sexual assault allegations in 2005 is speaking out for the first time about why he decided to drop the case. His comments come as past allegations of sexual assaults have resurfaced in recent weeks.
"I didn’t say that he didn’t commit the crime,” said former Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce Castor. “What I said was there was insufficient, admissible, and reliable evidence upon which to base a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. That’s 'prosecutors speak' for 'I think he did it but there's just not enough here to prosecute.'”
yea because not having a show on TV is somehow the equivalent of prison. dear lord :-O
he's lucky he is never going to serve jail time. again see my post on the previous page from the former PA District Attorney who thinks he is guilty.
Prison? I'm just pointing out that he was suspended and fired from work without getting due process from the court system, but instead social media.
I'm in the boat that thinks there are mighty suspicious and similar cases being leveled against Cosby.
My point is that we are now living in a day where careers can be ended by social media mobs.
well personally i think his career is being ended by being a piece of shit and not by the social media mobs. in this case sure looks like the social media mobs are doing something good.
I just want some actual evidence before crying for him to be in prison. Innocent before proven guilty. I'm not a Cosby fan or anything. Has nothing to do with that. I just don't like witch hunts that are based on no real evidence. For me, a handful of women making accusations doesn't actually hold much water when it comes to accusing very rich and famous people of crimes. There are a LOT of people in the world who would falsley accuse people for shit just because they have mental issues or think they can get money or some kind of attention from it. I'm NOT saying that is the case here.... but it's the reason I want more evidence collected by the police before I act like I know he's guilty.
I do find it hard to believe that 15 women came out, and not only did none of THEM get examined or go to the cops when it happened, but, given that number and then assuming there would be MANY more vicitims who haven't spoken up if 15 have, it's hard to imagine that not a single one of them ever immediately called the cops or got a rape kit done. Not a single one?? Seems odd is all.
Anyway, I will watch to see if any evidence ever arises here. In a way I hope so, because if he's innocent, these allegations are ruining his life in short order. That is only okay (and even pleasing) if he's actually guilty!
i posted a link on the previous page to the story below from NBC10.com in Philadelphia yesterday. Women in 2004 from Temple University did go the police and the DA who got the case believes he is guilty. see below.
from NBC10.Com A former Pennsylvania district attorney who declined to prosecute Bill Cosby on sexual assault allegations in 2005 is speaking out for the first time about why he decided to drop the case. His comments come as past allegations of sexual assaults have resurfaced in recent weeks.
"I didn’t say that he didn’t commit the crime,” said former Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce Castor. “What I said was there was insufficient, admissible, and reliable evidence upon which to base a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. That’s 'prosecutors speak' for 'I think he did it but there's just not enough here to prosecute.'”
Okay, to clarify, I mean EVIDENCE evidence. Not the kind that no one has. Not sure where that DA is coming from, but for all we know he could be some fame-whoring asshole who is going out of his way to make a sensational comment. Maybe not! But maybe so. As for the woman who went to the cops but there is still no evidence?.... well, either there isn't any evidence, or the cops are happy to ignore it (which wouldn't surprise me).
Anyway, my stance won't budge: evidence must exist before persecution. For Cosby, for everyone. Anything less leads to innocent people getting fucked over.
If real evidence is found against Cosby I'll be first in line to say he is a revolting human being. Until then, I have no opinion (literally. I don't defend him either. I am just neutral until something pushes me in one direction or the other).
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He's never been charged and there isn't a shred of evidence. So far the 2 things that stand out to me is he's rich and he's black. Racism and gold digging at work, it seems.
You guys realize there are a lot of crazy bitches out there, right? Bitches be crazy!
what are your thoughts on the story i posted about where the former Montgomery County Pennsylvania DA thinks he is guilty in the 2004 case but didn't have enough to get a conviction so didn't charge him? he is crazy too?
I don't trust lawyers. Like someone said, maybe he's seeking publicity? Maybe he hated The Cosby Show, who the hell knows? If he didn't have enough to get a conviction then what's he basing his opinion of guilt on? Because some former model or Wanna-be actress said Bill Cosby raped her 3 decades ago? For every prosecutor trying to convict someone of a crime there is a defence lawyer trying to defend them. Same wi Cosby's lawyer. Of course he says his client is innocent. But what's he basing that on? He's his lawyer, so he's going to defend him. All I know is that he's never been charged and there's been nothing but allegations made - no evidence. Until then, I have to believe he's innocent.
What I'd like to know is who gets date raped in 1982 and then comes forward in 2005? I think one accuser said he raped her in 1969. I'm not sure what any woman has to gain by making these allegations? But I know Cosby has been in the limelight a lot more and he's old. Maybe someone is trying to get a quick out-of-court settlement while he's making money/before he dies? I'll believe that before I believe Bill Cosby drugged and raped women - including during the time he was starring on The Cosby Show. That's just nuts.
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He's never been charged and there isn't a shred of evidence. So far the 2 things that stand out to me is he's rich and he's black. Racism and gold digging at work, it seems.
You guys realize there are a lot of crazy bitches out there, right? Bitches be crazy!
what are your thoughts on the story i posted about where the former Montgomery County Pennsylvania DA thinks he is guilty in the 2004 case but didn't have enough to get a conviction so didn't charge him? he is crazy too?
I don't trust lawyers. Like someone said, maybe he's seeking publicity? Maybe he hated The Cosby Show, who the hell knows? If he didn't have enough to get a conviction then what's he basing his opinion of guilt on? Because some former model or Wanna-be actress said Bill Cosby raped her 3 decades ago? For every prosecutor trying to convict someone of a crime there is a defence lawyer trying to defend them. Same wi Cosby's lawyer. Of course he says his client is innocent. But what's he basing that on? He's his lawyer, so he's going to defend him. All I know is that he's never been charged and there's been nothing but allegations made - no evidence. Until then, I have to believe he's innocent.
What I'd like to know is who gets date raped in 1982 and then comes forward in 2005? I think one accuser said he raped her in 1969. I'm not sure what any woman has to gain by making these allegations? But I know Cosby has been in the limelight a lot more and he's old. Maybe someone is trying to get a quick out-of-court settlement while he's making money/before he dies? I'll believe that before I believe Bill Cosby drugged and raped women - including during the time he was starring on The Cosby Show. That's just nuts.
so because he was a funny and seemingly wholesome actor/comedian, you can't believe for a second that the real person was different? doesn't the fact that he settled out of court 10 years ago lead you to believe that he might be guilty of something? if you're innocent, go to court and clear your name.
and, dude.....he supposedly DRUGGED these women. their memories were clouded after he gave them these pills. what chance would a 20 year girl have saying bill cosby (who was one of the biggest stars in the country) raped her back then, especially if her memory was cloudy? none. zero. not worth the ridicule and ruination of their careers.
and what about the fact that 15 middle aged, to old, women now....who do not know each other....have all come forward and all have pretty much the same kind of story? this isn't like one star obsessed young girl looking to advance her career in today's warped world of social media/reality culture. these are old ladies! they have nothing to gain, other than to get their story out and to clear their consciousness. i would imagine the first one's have to feel a certain level of guilt for not going to the police and knowing that their inaction probably just emboldened this fucking guy to rape more women over the next few decades.
and bruce castor was my county's district attorney for a while. say what you want about lawyers, but i've always found him to be a stand up guy and pretty reasonable. and the reason he can talk now, is because the statue of limitations for his case has run out, i believe. and what he is saying makes sense....that sometimes as a da or lawyer, you believe the victims stories, but you don't think you can prove it in a court of law. to me, that rings true in this case here where the victim claims she was drugged.
he also said in his opinion the victim came across as credible while cosby came across as evasive. and he has nothing to gain by giving that interview.
this isn't dr huxtable we are talking about....we're talking about an actor who played dr huxtable on tv.
i think this is pretty damning video of the ap interview. you almost feel bad for ol' cos.....until, that is, you think of what he is asking the journalist to do. i think cosby is a scum bag:
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I get that some weird gold-bandwagon thing may be involved, but because he's black?
This whole debacle has morphed into an odd clusterfuck (not necessarily or solely here, but the commentary, speculations, fucking Dickinson, etc.). I just don't know.
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Yea, totes, bitches be cray.
Since after all, filing a police report recounting every single traumatizing detail of what happened to you while proving that you were victimized and not "asking for it" based on what you drank and what clothes you wore and getting an intrusive medical examination are the easiest things in the world to do when you're traumatized from a personal violation as severe as rape.
Oh how I wish this fucking thread was in AMT.
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if he is guilty then I hope justice finally gets served.
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he's lucky he is never going to serve jail time. again see my post on the previous page from the former PA District Attorney who thinks he is guilty.
I do find it hard to believe that 15 women came out, and not only did none of THEM get examined or go to the cops when it happened, but, given that number and then assuming there would be MANY more vicitims who haven't spoken up if 15 have, it's hard to imagine that not a single one of them ever immediately called the cops or got a rape kit done. Not a single one?? Seems odd is all.
Anyway, I will watch to see if any evidence ever arises here. In a way I hope so, because if he's innocent, these allegations are ruining his life in short order. That is only okay (and even pleasing) if he's actually guilty!
from NBC10.Com
A former Pennsylvania district attorney who declined to prosecute Bill Cosby on sexual assault allegations in 2005 is speaking out for the first time about why he decided to drop the case. His comments come as past allegations of sexual assaults have resurfaced in recent weeks.
"I didn’t say that he didn’t commit the crime,” said former Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce Castor. “What I said was there was insufficient, admissible, and reliable evidence upon which to base a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. That’s 'prosecutors speak' for 'I think he did it but there's just not enough here to prosecute.'”
Read more: http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Former-DA-Who-Dropped-Sex-Assault-Case-Against-Bill-Cosby-Speaks-282993771.html#ixzz3JYBild5N
I'm in the boat that thinks there are mighty suspicious and similar cases being leveled against Cosby.
My point is that we are now living in a day where careers can be ended by social media mobs.
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Not sure where that DA is coming from, but for all we know he could be some fame-whoring asshole who is going out of his way to make a sensational comment. Maybe not! But maybe so. As for the woman who went to the cops but there is still no evidence?.... well, either there isn't any evidence, or the cops are happy to ignore it (which wouldn't surprise me).
Anyway, my stance won't budge: evidence must exist before persecution. For Cosby, for everyone. Anything less leads to innocent people getting fucked over.
If real evidence is found against Cosby I'll be first in line to say he is a revolting human being. Until then, I have no opinion (literally. I don't defend him either. I am just neutral until something pushes me in one direction or the other).
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Surely you knew this would follow (though I hope by his name, not fittingly).
What I'd like to know is who gets date raped in 1982 and then comes forward in 2005? I think one accuser said he raped her in 1969. I'm not sure what any woman has to gain by making these allegations? But I know Cosby has been in the limelight a lot more and he's old. Maybe someone is trying to get a quick out-of-court settlement while he's making money/before he dies? I'll believe that before I believe Bill Cosby drugged and raped women - including during the time he was starring on The Cosby Show. That's just nuts.
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and, dude.....he supposedly DRUGGED these women. their memories were clouded after he gave them these pills. what chance would a 20 year girl have saying bill cosby (who was one of the biggest stars in the country) raped her back then, especially if her memory was cloudy? none. zero. not worth the ridicule and ruination of their careers.
and what about the fact that 15 middle aged, to old, women now....who do not know each other....have all come forward and all have pretty much the same kind of story? this isn't like one star obsessed young girl looking to advance her career in today's warped world of social media/reality culture. these are old ladies! they have nothing to gain, other than to get their story out and to clear their consciousness. i would imagine the first one's have to feel a certain level of guilt for not going to the police and knowing that their inaction probably just emboldened this fucking guy to rape more women over the next few decades.
and bruce castor was my county's district attorney for a while. say what you want about lawyers, but i've always found him to be a stand up guy and pretty reasonable. and the reason he can talk now, is because the statue of limitations for his case has run out, i believe. and what he is saying makes sense....that sometimes as a da or lawyer, you believe the victims stories, but you don't think you can prove it in a court of law. to me, that rings true in this case here where the victim claims she was drugged.
he also said in his opinion the victim came across as credible while cosby came across as evasive. and he has nothing to gain by giving that interview.
this isn't dr huxtable we are talking about....we're talking about an actor who played dr huxtable on tv.
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I'm on the fence with this one; wish I weren't but fuckit - too much woodwork-crawling, he said-she said shit.