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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    And like I said above, all of this was predicted in the run up to the U.S invasion of Iraq. It was predicted that the country would be fragmented into warring factions, and it was predicted that the invasion would cause an increase of terrorism in the World. But they invaded anyway, based on a bunch of lies, and for some short-term profit.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Byrnzie said:

    And like I said above, all of this was predicted in the run up to the U.S invasion of Iraq. It was predicted that the country would be fragmented into warring factions, and it was predicted that the invasion would cause an increase of terrorism in the World. But they invaded anyway, based on a bunch of lies, and for some short-term profit.

    True, very true. Byrnzie, I watched that video on twitter, wow, fucken what a lucky guy ey? Unreal.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Byrnzie said:

    Jason P said:

    Unless time machines have recently been invented, why use past events to deflect from current day atrocities? It comes off as defending what ISIS is doing.

    It's not deflecting, it's called perspective. The Western powers have had their hands in the Middle East for decades, if not centuries. We've not stopped fucking with them for as long as I can remember.
    And to pretend that these 'monsters' suddenly emerged out of nowhere, as if out of a vacuum, is deflecting. The shit we're seeing over there now is happening as a direct consequence of our constant meddling in their affairs.

    I think 'Blow back' is the expression. And 'You reap what you sow' is another.

    This is tough to dispute and you'll get no argument from me regarding what you have expressed here; however, what should the mentality be given the current reality?

    Does the international community say, "Oh fuck. Well... what can you do?" with a shrug of the shoulders... or does it say, "Geezuz. We gotta do something."

    And if you feel it is response number 2... in your opinion, what should happen?
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited September 2014
    badbrains said:

    Byrnzie said:

    And like I said above, all of this was predicted in the run up to the U.S invasion of Iraq. It was predicted that the country would be fragmented into warring factions, and it was predicted that the invasion would cause an increase of terrorism in the World. But they invaded anyway, based on a bunch of lies, and for some short-term profit.

    Exactly, it's actually quite simple. Destabilization is the goal for the region, everybody who looks beyond the television knows it. Keep oil sold in US dollars, keep access to the oil, and keep a state of constant warfare for the defense contractors. ISIS isn't the enemy, ISIS is a tool for achieving goals that are public knowledge, again though, only to the public that reads foreign journalism and doesn't watch television. We will "fight" ISIS for a long drawn out period, and when they are gone they will leave a power vacuum that will be filled by whatever terrorist organization we are currently funding to fight ISIS. Not sure who because I have lost interest in these games.
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,861
    we should have waited it out a couple thousand years for the middle east to gain a balance that the West approves of.


    No matter what its going to be a mess. One month Iran and Syria are the evildoers who must be stopped, Iraq was "taken care of" but then another group comes out and suddenly we are kind of in the same corner with Syria and Iran?

  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,390
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Byrnzie said:

    Jason P said:

    Unless time machines have recently been invented, why use past events to deflect from current day atrocities? It comes off as defending what ISIS is doing.

    It's not deflecting, it's called perspective. The Western powers have had their hands in the Middle East for decades, if not centuries. We've not stopped fucking with them for as long as I can remember.
    And to pretend that these 'monsters' suddenly emerged out of nowhere, as if out of a vacuum, is deflecting. The shit we're seeing over there now is happening as a direct consequence of our constant meddling in their affairs.

    I think 'Blow back' is the expression. And 'You reap what you sow' is another.

    This is tough to dispute and you'll get no argument from me regarding what you have expressed here; however, what should the mentality be given the current reality?

    Does the international community say, "Oh fuck. Well... what can you do?" with a shrug of the shoulders... or does it say, "Geezuz. We gotta do something."

    And if you feel it is response number 2... in your opinion, what should happen?
    I think this is the critical question: action or inaction? At this point, the Western powers have lost their credibility within the region, and have proven time after time that their self-serving actions do not consider justice, human or infrastructural costs (at least in the Middle East) as priorities. So, once you recognize the presence of the cycle, what has to happen in order to break it?
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Ahh fucked up quotes, sorry guys, my statement stands by itself.

    Also, let's not forget the US soldiers who torture, rape, and mutilate before we get too high and mighty. I have seen pissing on dead civilians, keeping body parts as trophies, and direct proof of torture of detainees. Let's not act like ISIS has a lockdown on inhumanity.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    benjs said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Byrnzie said:

    Jason P said:

    Unless time machines have recently been invented, why use past events to deflect from current day atrocities? It comes off as defending what ISIS is doing.

    It's not deflecting, it's called perspective. The Western powers have had their hands in the Middle East for decades, if not centuries. We've not stopped fucking with them for as long as I can remember.
    And to pretend that these 'monsters' suddenly emerged out of nowhere, as if out of a vacuum, is deflecting. The shit we're seeing over there now is happening as a direct consequence of our constant meddling in their affairs.

    I think 'Blow back' is the expression. And 'You reap what you sow' is another.

    This is tough to dispute and you'll get no argument from me regarding what you have expressed here; however, what should the mentality be given the current reality?

    Does the international community say, "Oh fuck. Well... what can you do?" with a shrug of the shoulders... or does it say, "Geezuz. We gotta do something."

    And if you feel it is response number 2... in your opinion, what should happen?
    I think this is the critical question: action or inaction? At this point, the Western powers have lost their credibility within the region, and have proven time after time that their self-serving actions do not consider justice, human or infrastructural costs (at least in the Middle East) as priorities. So, once you recognize the presence of the cycle, what has to happen in order to break it?
    Do just that, break it. Walk away, let someone else clean it up, let them take to the streets and reclaim their lives. It's a worthless line of thought to question what we SHOULD do because we know what the US WILL do...drop depleted uranium shells that will forever cause further destabilization.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited September 2014
    rgambs said:

    Ahh fucked up quotes, sorry guys, my statement stands by itself.

    Also, let's not forget the US soldiers who torture, rape, and mutilate before we get too high and mighty. I have seen pissing on dead civilians, keeping body parts as trophies, and direct proof of torture of detainees. Let's not act like ISIS has a lockdown on inhumanity.

    battle, war, changes people, it flicks a switch in them that may not be pleasant. most i would say handle steering away from torture, rape & collecting body parts as trophies. it is all a form of getting inside the enemies head as psychological warfare & going to far is bullshit cruelty.

    fighting like this can turm decent folks into ballastic creatures of evil. it is not pretty & should be delt with swiftly. soldiers do check on their own soldiers' mental health i would assume? rogue type idiots team up i guess, or not, the loner jerk off raping & torturing civilians.

    psychological warfare has won more battles & wars than anything else. as well as having fighting totally avoided altogether (at least for awhile). but the king sure paid up in gold, silver & jewels as a payment to the barbarians for not burning his kingdom to the ground. if this was 1,600 years ago in scandanavia, i'm in the games of messing with the minds & souls of those we are destroying

    you take 99 berserkers & place 500 (make it 1,000) men from the english or french armys out in the fields or woods or shoreline, 500 -1,000 men in shining (or dull leathery) armour are pooping in their fancy heavy medieval outfits.

    this works in modern day sporting events, boxing & mma... of course it helps if you can back up your nutjob-ness

    isis is good at bringing the fear & they are fucking dangerous
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited September 2014
    edit
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Byrnzie said:

    Jason P said:

    Unless time machines have recently been invented, why use past events to deflect from current day atrocities? It comes off as defending what ISIS is doing.

    It's not deflecting, it's called perspective. The Western powers have had their hands in the Middle East for decades, if not centuries. We've not stopped fucking with them for as long as I can remember.
    And to pretend that these 'monsters' suddenly emerged out of nowhere, as if out of a vacuum, is deflecting. The shit we're seeing over there now is happening as a direct consequence of our constant meddling in their affairs.

    I think 'Blow back' is the expression. And 'You reap what you sow' is another.

    You think this is all blow back? I'd say a lot of this is power hungry,narcissistic disenfranchised fucked up young men with daddy issues,trying to be part of something,like a gang.
    The Evil intentions aren't just aimed at the west but stabilized governments of the region are also targets.We may have enabled the enviorment,but these cats are operating on more then a fuck the west agenda.The few in power are just another version of wanna be tough guys,like Bin Laden and they need the shock value for more recruitment.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    rr165892 said:

    Byrnzie said:

    Jason P said:

    Unless time machines have recently been invented, why use past events to deflect from current day atrocities? It comes off as defending what ISIS is doing.

    It's not deflecting, it's called perspective. The Western powers have had their hands in the Middle East for decades, if not centuries. We've not stopped fucking with them for as long as I can remember.
    And to pretend that these 'monsters' suddenly emerged out of nowhere, as if out of a vacuum, is deflecting. The shit we're seeing over there now is happening as a direct consequence of our constant meddling in their affairs.

    I think 'Blow back' is the expression. And 'You reap what you sow' is another.

    You think this is all blow back? I'd say a lot of this is power hungry,narcissistic disenfranchised fucked up young men with daddy issues,trying to be part of something,like a gang.
    The Evil intentions aren't just aimed at the west but stabilized governments of the region are also targets.We may have enabled the enviorment,but these cats are operating on more then a fuck the west agenda.The few in power are just another version of wanna be tough guys,like Bin Laden and they need the shock value for more recruitment.
    And we provide the shock they need for recruitment by dropping bombs!
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    Byrnzie said:

    Jason P said:

    Unless time machines have recently been invented, why use past events to deflect from current day atrocities? It comes off as defending what ISIS is doing.

    It's not deflecting, it's called perspective. The Western powers have had their hands in the Middle East for decades, if not centuries. We've not stopped fucking with them for as long as I can remember.
    And to pretend that these 'monsters' suddenly emerged out of nowhere, as if out of a vacuum, is deflecting. The shit we're seeing over there now is happening as a direct consequence of our constant meddling in their affairs.

    I think 'Blow back' is the expression. And 'You reap what you sow' is another.

    You think this is all blow back? I'd say a lot of this is power hungry,narcissistic disenfranchised fucked up young men with daddy issues,trying to be part of something,like a gang.
    The Evil intentions aren't just aimed at the west but stabilized governments of the region are also targets.We may have enabled the enviorment,but these cats are operating on more then a fuck the west agenda.The few in power are just another version of wanna be tough guys,like Bin Laden and they need the shock value for more recruitment.
    And we provide the shock they need for recruitment by dropping bombs!
    Hopefully Gambs its on their heads.I hope we give them all the shock they can handle.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited September 2014
    what are the numbers of isis guys right now fighting in syria & iraq? what are the numbers of sleeper cells in other countries around the world? is it remorely possible for let's say boko haram that's in nigeria to become partners w/ isis? they're around 2400 miles/3950 kilometers apart & around 2100 nautical miles. a wonderful flight is just over 5 hours in duration - damascus, syria to abuja, nigeria

    just thinking & researching out loud with my typing finger

    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157

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    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    And now Lebanon looks like it's getting ready to have IS spill over onto it's land:

    https://news.vice.com/article/the-middle-easts-next-ticking-time-bomb-lebanon?utm_source=vicenewstwitter
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    badbrains said:

    And now Lebanon looks like it's getting ready to have IS spill over onto it's land:

    https://news.vice.com/article/the-middle-easts-next-ticking-time-bomb-lebanon?utm_source=vicenewstwitter

    That's going to bring Israel into the fray.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited September 2014
    Byrnzie said:

    And like I said above, all of this was predicted in the run up to the U.S invasion of Iraq. It was predicted that the country would be fragmented into warring factions, and it was predicted that the invasion would cause an increase of terrorism in the World. But they invaded anyway, based on a bunch of lies, and for some short-term profit.

    I think it is even more insidious than that....I don't think it's short-sighted - I think the goal is long term hegemony....and I don't think the consequences came about due to carelessness.... The consequences were part of a long term plan to reshape the middle east into smaller, more manageable, less powerful nations. New sectarian borders will cause in-fighting between those victimized and displaced by violence, which in turn further weakens the ability of governments to resist western alliances or 'aid'. Literally,'divide and conquer'.


    rr165892 said:

    badbrains said:

    And now Lebanon looks like it's getting ready to have IS spill over onto it's land:

    https://news.vice.com/article/the-middle-easts-next-ticking-time-bomb-lebanon?utm_source=vicenewstwitter

    That's going to bring Israel into the fray.
    Why do you say that? What interest do you think Israel has in stopping unrest within it's rival nations? Esp when the main target of ISIS in Lebanon would be Hezbollah - the Lebanese militia that is always the target of Israeli aggression against Lebanon.
    Interesting that you are calling for US intervention, yet seem to not have a basic understanding of who is (or would be) fighting who.
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Drowned Out said:

    Byrnzie said:

    And like I said above, all of this was predicted in the run up to the U.S invasion of Iraq. It was predicted that the country would be fragmented into warring factions, and it was predicted that the invasion would cause an increase of terrorism in the World. But they invaded anyway, based on a bunch of lies, and for some short-term profit.

    I think it is even more insidious than that....I don't think it's short-sighted - I think the goal is long term hegemony....and I don't think the consequences came about due to carelessness.... The consequences were part of a long term plan to reshape the middle east into smaller, more manageable, less powerful nations. New sectarian borders will cause in-fighting between those victimized and displaced by violence, which in turn further weakens the ability of governments to resist western alliances or 'aid'. Literally,'divide and conquer'.


    rr165892 said:

    badbrains said:

    And now Lebanon looks like it's getting ready to have IS spill over onto it's land:

    https://news.vice.com/article/the-middle-easts-next-ticking-time-bomb-lebanon?utm_source=vicenewstwitter

    That's going to bring Israel into the fray.
    Why do you say that? What interest do you think Israel has in stopping unrest within it's rival nations? Esp when the main target of ISIS in Lebanon would be Hezbollah - the Lebanese militia that is always the target of Israeli aggression against Lebanon.
    Interesting that you are calling for US intervention, yet seem to not have a basic understanding of who is (or would be) fighting who.
    I say this because there is no way they will allow IS to become a threat to their border regardless of the squabble on the other side.
    And I do have the basics Drowned out, a Middle East expert or analyst I am not.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Maybe Israel wants this to happen so they can fight Hezbollah and not have them get their hands dirty. Maybe this is why Israel agreed to a cease fire, regroup for the next battle?

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