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What a peculiar, cartoonish World you inhabit.Godfather. said:or.......never mind, but why don't you tell us all about the koran and how it's interpited by the peaceful muslims because to be honest with you I havn't heard too much that sounds good.
and what is an infidel by your standards vs. the "radical muslims" beliefs ? really I'd like to know what is the differance between the 99.99999999 % peaceful muslims(your speak of) beliefs and Radicals beliefs. really tho'...if 99.99999% of muslims are peaceful then where did all these terrorist come from ? and what kind of peace and love does it take to remove a mans head with a K-bar or hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings...and if these radical muslims did by some weird chance turn the U.S into a muslim nation would you follow them at that point ..or would you be a real American and fight...somehow I doubt you would but please feel free to prove me wrong.
Substitute 'Muslim' for 'Communist'.
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That last sentence, very interesting,rr165892 said:
I do agree with you and I've talked about it in other threads here that I was concerned that there wasn't enough outrage(at least visible and public) by the moderate Muslim populations and governments.PJ_Soul said:
The Muslim world should be doing a LOT more to quell radicalism. As it is, they do almost nothing. I don't understand why they don't. These radical Muslims hurt them all, yet there is close to no action against it within their own communities.badbrains said:No surprise here that you're the first to come and post this. 1.6 billion Muslims with 99.999999999999% who are PEACEFUL, but let's forget that and talk about a group that our military can wipe out in 3 mins. So what's the issue? Why not take them out? Why keep them around? Oh ya, we need a bad guy to keep the war machine going. Where's your crying GF on gaza? Why aren't you up and arms, screaming about all the dead INNOCENT children on the streets of Gaza. Shit, 3 were murdered just last night. Why no rage from you? Oh, that's right, cuz they're Muslim so it's OK to kill them. Pages and pages of slaughters happening against innocent civilians in gaza and GF posts something about Muslims beheading a journalist. Did you hear his voice,
Sounds British to me. Mite want to attack England next for sending these guys over there.
In numbers the Muslim world could move mountains if they all were on the same page.
It's true, all the 'Moderate Muslims' united, indeed could move mountains...Just like many other large (in number) groups could do...A United Africa, that would be something. Imagine all the 'African Nations' united, It would surely yield great results for the people of 'Africa'.
Sounds good right? Sure...But these things would be devastating to the established Power Structure, and this Power Structure is largely responsible for keeping other nations and people down, separate and 'fighting'.
Any powerful group is a potential threat to us (the USA), and a group is even more of a threat when that group does not fully adhere to the way things are, or our interpretation or feelings towards the way things 'should' be.
We want 'peace' in Iraq, but what kind of 'peace' is that? A peace that continues to uphold our predominant influence, no doubt.
Protecting our interests...And as it's been said many times before, what about our silence? and our lack of Outrage at the systems in place causing so much death and violence, strife. 'we' support these things, The people 'we' vote for, upholding this, no wonder is it said that 'history is cyclical', it's because we don't seem to learn from our mistakes and we continue to let greed influence us, greed deludes us, makes us want more and more power, power is had by gaining control, Control by whatever means, regardless of the consequences. (and the consequences? The results?...The breeding of more of the same, hate, violence, death, bloodshed)
Every 'thinking' person should be Outraged at the State of Affairs, at what's going on, it's all connected,
After ISIS, then what? What really has changed? They will be replaced, and that next group we'll also have to destroy, cause, you know, they will be even more 'evil' than ISIS. It goes on and on.
We paved the path for ISIS, then are sickened and shocked when our chickens come home to roost - , when we see the consequences of our actions play out in such horrific fashion, sure then we wake up a little, only to go back to sleep and continue building the same path that led/leads to the same old place, more bloodshed.0 -
"Every 'thinking' person should be Outraged at the State of Affairs, at what's going on, it's all connected,"
You've got that right, Idris. But with so many people on everything from the global scale (world leaders, corporations, military groups) and on down to the micro scale (on-line discussion groups like AMT) being so focused on having their "team" win, putting their dogma on top, being so totally focused on having their doctrine or ideology and passing fancy be number one, the chances that anything will ever really change seems very slim. Too often the outrage is mostly about not having everyone agree we are right or the winner or on top of the heap.
You wonder, "After ISIS, then what? What really has changed?" Good question, one that can be taken out the the edge on turned in to the more finite. Maybe we start here. Frankly, I'm not very encouraged about that either though. Sometimes there are good efforts here to teach and be taught, listen and be listened too. But all too often (and who amongst us hasn't been at least a little guilty of this?) it comes down to barbs and wise cracks and put downs. See what kind of response this post gets and you might get an indication of what I'm talking about. Or maybe I'll be surprised and have to recant that statement. That would be very fine with me.Post edited by brianlux on"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
What do you think we should do? We can't give up fighting against terrorists, they will not stop and they are a threat to the whole world.Idris said:
That last sentence, very interesting,rr165892 said:
I do agree with you and I've talked about it in other threads here that I was concerned that there wasn't enough outrage(at least visible and public) by the moderate Muslim populations and governments.PJ_Soul said:
The Muslim world should be doing a LOT more to quell radicalism. As it is, they do almost nothing. I don't understand why they don't. These radical Muslims hurt them all, yet there is close to no action against it within their own communities.badbrains said:No surprise here that you're the first to come and post this. 1.6 billion Muslims with 99.999999999999% who are PEACEFUL, but let's forget that and talk about a group that our military can wipe out in 3 mins. So what's the issue? Why not take them out? Why keep them around? Oh ya, we need a bad guy to keep the war machine going. Where's your crying GF on gaza? Why aren't you up and arms, screaming about all the dead INNOCENT children on the streets of Gaza. Shit, 3 were murdered just last night. Why no rage from you? Oh, that's right, cuz they're Muslim so it's OK to kill them. Pages and pages of slaughters happening against innocent civilians in gaza and GF posts something about Muslims beheading a journalist. Did you hear his voice,
Sounds British to me. Mite want to attack England next for sending these guys over there.
In numbers the Muslim world could move mountains if they all were on the same page.
It's true, all the 'Moderate Muslims' united, indeed could move mountains...Just like many other large (in number) groups could do...A United Africa, that would be something. Imagine all the 'African Nations' united, It would surely yield great results for the people of 'Africa'.
Sounds good right? Sure...But these things would be devastating to the established Power Structure, and this Power Structure is largely responsible for keeping other nations and people down, separate and 'fighting'.
Any powerful group is a potential threat to us (the USA), and a group is even more of a threat when that group does not fully adhere to the way things are, or our interpretation or feelings towards the way things 'should' be.
We want 'peace' in Iraq, but what kind of 'peace' is that? A peace that continues to uphold our predominant influence, no doubt.
Protecting our interests...And as it's been said many times before, what about our silence? and our lack of Outrage at the systems in place causing so much death and violence, strife. 'we' support these things, The people 'we' vote for, upholding this, no wonder is it said that 'history is cyclical', it's because we don't seem to learn from our mistakes and we continue to let greed influence us, greed deludes us, makes us want more and more power, power is had by gaining control, Control by whatever means, regardless of the consequences. (and the consequences? The results?...The breeding of more of the same, hate, violence, death, bloodshed)
Every 'thinking' person should be Outraged at the State of Affairs, at what's going on, it's all connected,
After ISIS, then what? What really has changed? They will be replaced, and that next group we'll also have to destroy, cause, you know, they will be even more 'evil' than ISIS. It goes on and on.
We paved the path for ISIS, then are sickened and shocked when our chickens come home to roost - , when we see the consequences of our actions play out in such horrific fashion, sure then we wake up a little, only to go back to sleep and continue building the same path that led/leads to the same old place, more bloodshed.
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Not for nothing, but a lot of the so called terrorists find themselves fighting terrorists. Know what I mean?Annafalk said:
What do you think we should do? We can't give up fighting against terrorists, they will not stop and they are a threat to the whole world.Idris said:
That last sentence, very interesting,rr165892 said:
I do agree with you and I've talked about it in other threads here that I was concerned that there wasn't enough outrage(at least visible and public) by the moderate Muslim populations and governments.PJ_Soul said:
The Muslim world should be doing a LOT more to quell radicalism. As it is, they do almost nothing. I don't understand why they don't. These radical Muslims hurt them all, yet there is close to no action against it within their own communities.badbrains said:No surprise here that you're the first to come and post this. 1.6 billion Muslims with 99.999999999999% who are PEACEFUL, but let's forget that and talk about a group that our military can wipe out in 3 mins. So what's the issue? Why not take them out? Why keep them around? Oh ya, we need a bad guy to keep the war machine going. Where's your crying GF on gaza? Why aren't you up and arms, screaming about all the dead INNOCENT children on the streets of Gaza. Shit, 3 were murdered just last night. Why no rage from you? Oh, that's right, cuz they're Muslim so it's OK to kill them. Pages and pages of slaughters happening against innocent civilians in gaza and GF posts something about Muslims beheading a journalist. Did you hear his voice,
Sounds British to me. Mite want to attack England next for sending these guys over there.
In numbers the Muslim world could move mountains if they all were on the same page.
It's true, all the 'Moderate Muslims' united, indeed could move mountains...Just like many other large (in number) groups could do...A United Africa, that would be something. Imagine all the 'African Nations' united, It would surely yield great results for the people of 'Africa'.
Sounds good right? Sure...But these things would be devastating to the established Power Structure, and this Power Structure is largely responsible for keeping other nations and people down, separate and 'fighting'.
Any powerful group is a potential threat to us (the USA), and a group is even more of a threat when that group does not fully adhere to the way things are, or our interpretation or feelings towards the way things 'should' be.
We want 'peace' in Iraq, but what kind of 'peace' is that? A peace that continues to uphold our predominant influence, no doubt.
Protecting our interests...And as it's been said many times before, what about our silence? and our lack of Outrage at the systems in place causing so much death and violence, strife. 'we' support these things, The people 'we' vote for, upholding this, no wonder is it said that 'history is cyclical', it's because we don't seem to learn from our mistakes and we continue to let greed influence us, greed deludes us, makes us want more and more power, power is had by gaining control, Control by whatever means, regardless of the consequences. (and the consequences? The results?...The breeding of more of the same, hate, violence, death, bloodshed)
Every 'thinking' person should be Outraged at the State of Affairs, at what's going on, it's all connected,
After ISIS, then what? What really has changed? They will be replaced, and that next group we'll also have to destroy, cause, you know, they will be even more 'evil' than ISIS. It goes on and on.
We paved the path for ISIS, then are sickened and shocked when our chickens come home to roost - , when we see the consequences of our actions play out in such horrific fashion, sure then we wake up a little, only to go back to sleep and continue building the same path that led/leads to the same old place, more bloodshed.0 -
Byrnzie said:
What a peculiar, cartoonish World you inhabit.Godfather. said:or.......never mind, but why don't you tell us all about the koran and how it's interpited by the peaceful muslims because to be honest with you I havn't heard too much that sounds good.
and what is an infidel by your standards vs. the "radical muslims" beliefs ? really I'd like to know what is the differance between the 99.99999999 % peaceful muslims(your speak of) beliefs and Radicals beliefs. really tho'...if 99.99999% of muslims are peaceful then where did all these terrorist come from ? and what kind of peace and love does it take to remove a mans head with a K-bar or hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings...and if these radical muslims did by some weird chance turn the U.S into a muslim nation would you follow them at that point ..or would you be a real American and fight...somehow I doubt you would but please feel free to prove me wrong.
Substitute 'Muslim' for 'Communist'.
General Jack D. Ripper: I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
good evening / morning Byrnzie, getting bord ?
Godfather.
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Very interesting read of these so called jihadists lol:
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/5697160?utm_hp_ref=tw0 -
Answer me this: which other religion has had their geographic base involved in the kind of violent repression and foreign intervention, for generations, that Islam has? Which other religion has seen their geographic base lose decades of advances in science, infrastructure, education, healthcare, and art/culture due to violence and sanctions? Look at the situations in Iraq, Palestine, and Syria. How long will it take those countries to get these socio-economic metrics back to the standards they were at just a few years ago? Do you think this has no affect on the psyche of these people? People talk as if terrorism and religious extremism are created in a fucking vacuum. I wonder how this poll would break down based on economics and exposure to violence? Violence and religious extremism are refuges of the poor, desperate, and victimized. I'm sure you know there is a correlation between these things....At this point, things are pretty comfy in the US and Canada...But do you think there would be a rise in christian extremism if our economies completely fell apart and internal wars influenced by foreign powers became the norm? Of course there would. How self-righteous of so called christian nations (along with all of us agnostic/atheists), who are often somewhat responsible for conditions in the middle east, to sit in our comfortable opulence, feeling no empathy, nor accountability for our own actions and their repercussions, then blame it all on religion. This comfortable opulence comes on the backs of less powerful nations....neo liberals robbing them of their resources with their unfair trade and banking, neo cons with their armies and mercenaries...we've shipped slavery abroad so we can 'watch for falling prices'. Violence and religious extremism are the price we pay for our own extreme, violent policies.PJ_Soul said:
You think so? You don't think that Islamic extremism is on a different level when compared to most other ethnic or religious groups? It seems to me like it's a bigger problem than in other cases.....dancinacrossthewater said:I think there are probably around an equal percentage of nutty extremists within each ethnic/religious group.
That's one of the reasons why us Jews get so defensive - cuz there's so damn few of us.
Not an excuse for hurting people though.
Me you, you me, it's all related.
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Wow wow wow =D> I def COULDNT have said it any better. Real shit right there.Drowned Out said:
Answer me this: which other religion has had their geographic base involved in the kind of violent repression and foreign intervention, for generations, that Islam has? Which other religion has seen their geographic base lose decades of advances in science, infrastructure, education, healthcare, and art/culture due to violence and sanctions? Look at the situations in Iraq, Palestine, and Syria. How long will it take those countries to get these socio-economic metrics back to the standards they were at just a few years ago? Do you think this has no affect on the psyche of these people? People talk as if terrorism and religious extremism are created in a fucking vacuum. I wonder how this poll would break down based on economics and exposure to violence? Violence and religious extremism are refuges of the poor, desperate, and victimized. I'm sure you know there is a correlation between these things....At this point, things are pretty comfy in the US and Canada...But do you think there would be a rise in christian extremism if our economies completely fell apart and internal wars influenced by foreign powers became the norm? Of course there would. How self-righteous of so called christian nations (along with all of us agnostic/atheists), who are often somewhat responsible for conditions in the middle east, to sit in our comfortable opulence, feeling no empathy, nor accountability for our own actions and their repercussions, then blame it all on religion. This comfortable opulence comes on the backs of less powerful nations....neo liberals robbing them of their resources with their unfair trade and banking, neo cons with their armies and mercenaries...we've shipped slavery abroad so we can 'watch for falling prices'. Violence and religious extremism are the price we pay for our own extreme, violent policies.PJ_Soul said:
You think so? You don't think that Islamic extremism is on a different level when compared to most other ethnic or religious groups? It seems to me like it's a bigger problem than in other cases.....dancinacrossthewater said:I think there are probably around an equal percentage of nutty extremists within each ethnic/religious group.
That's one of the reasons why us Jews get so defensive - cuz there's so damn few of us.
Not an excuse for hurting people though.
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Drowned Out. Nice post.
Not so sure that religion has anything to do with our treatment of each other. It's just basic evolved human nature.
Think all humans have the same wants and needs. Sooner we recognize that the sooner we can tell those that want us to sacrifice for their gains to fk off.
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Yes, this is a great post.Drowned Out said:
Answer me this: which other religion has had their geographic base involved in the kind of violent repression and foreign intervention, for generations, that Islam has? Which other religion has seen their geographic base lose decades of advances in science, infrastructure, education, healthcare, and art/culture due to violence and sanctions? Look at the situations in Iraq, Palestine, and Syria. How long will it take those countries to get these socio-economic metrics back to the standards they were at just a few years ago? Do you think this has no affect on the psyche of these people? People talk as if terrorism and religious extremism are created in a fucking vacuum. I wonder how this poll would break down based on economics and exposure to violence? Violence and religious extremism are refuges of the poor, desperate, and victimized. I'm sure you know there is a correlation between these things....At this point, things are pretty comfy in the US and Canada...But do you think there would be a rise in christian extremism if our economies completely fell apart and internal wars influenced by foreign powers became the norm? Of course there would. How self-righteous of so called christian nations (along with all of us agnostic/atheists), who are often somewhat responsible for conditions in the middle east, to sit in our comfortable opulence, feeling no empathy, nor accountability for our own actions and their repercussions, then blame it all on religion. This comfortable opulence comes on the backs of less powerful nations....neo liberals robbing them of their resources with their unfair trade and banking, neo cons with their armies and mercenaries...we've shipped slavery abroad so we can 'watch for falling prices'. Violence and religious extremism are the price we pay for our own extreme, violent policies.PJ_Soul said:
You think so? You don't think that Islamic extremism is on a different level when compared to most other ethnic or religious groups? It seems to me like it's a bigger problem than in other cases.....dancinacrossthewater said:I think there are probably around an equal percentage of nutty extremists within each ethnic/religious group.
That's one of the reasons why us Jews get so defensive - cuz there's so damn few of us.
Not an excuse for hurting people though.
Me you, you me, it's all related.
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Regarding the "moderate Muslims need to do more to combat extremism" line:
I think it's very condescending for someone in a position of privilege to talk to Muslims living in the Middle East this way. Tell me, what are YOU doing to combat Western imperial policies that allow for extremism to grow? As Drowned Out accurately mentioned, there is a long history of imperial and colonial practices by Western powers in the Middle East/South Asia/North Africa that allowed extremism to grow. And I often find on this board that many of you end up supporting some of these policies because there is a clear refusal to actually engage with history. How did the Middle East become the way it did? What are these extremists a product of? What are they actually rebelling against? If we continue to just ignore legitimate grievances of Muslims living in the Middle East and confront our policies that continue to contribute to the disenfranchisement of these people, that continue to support dictators and settler-colonies that occupy and ethnically cleanse other people, then there will naturally be movements that grow to counter this. And so long as the US and its allies continue to fight this (or pretend to) with the same policies that created them in the first place, then where do you think the "moderate" Muslims are left? In between armed thugs and the world's biggest military, without the ability to even live normal lives.
Meanwhile, here you all are saying why aren't they doing enough. How about you do something? It's ironic to me that some of you even openly acknowledge that our policies created ISIS, but then support US military involvement in northern Iraq because "we created the mess [by intervening militarily] so now we have to fix it [by intervening militarily]." It's just interesting that there does not appear to be any critical thinking here. Any serious questioning of past policies specifically with regards to how they reflect our future engagement with this part of the world, is just nonexistent. And then we just blame the victims for not "doing enough" without actually being aware of the various debates going on in the Middle East, the trends and movements that exist there, how deep our own involvement is, etc etc. Nope, it's just "them" that aren't doing enough.0 -
I'm saying they know the risk, just no need for people in the west to act so out raged. You're entering a war zone, bad things happen in war zones.Annafalk said:
So if no media or journalists goes to troubled areas...is this a step in the right direction? Who will have most to lose on that? yes, they risk their lives for the world to know and should get credit for it.lukin2006 said:Do these reporters and photo journalist who go to these places know what their getting into? Yes they do. They choose to go. My sympathy for the families of these reporters but these reporters know what their getting into, they know the risk and they take on that risk ... probably for the one great story or picture they hope will bring them fame.
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Did you know Christians interpret the Bible differently?Godfather. said:
or.......never mind, but why don't you tell us all about the koran and how it's interpited by the peaceful muslims because to be honest with you I havn't heard too much that sounds good.badbrains said:Or how about- GF hates ALL Muslims for a title
Godfather.
And did you know some interpret it so differently that they kill over it? Ever hear of the KKK or neo Nazis?
Before slavery ended, most people used the Bible to justify slavery.
In conclusion, a sacred text is interpreted various ways, most peaceful. But there are a handful that kill for it because they believe that is what the text means.
~Carter~
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or you can come to terms and realize
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