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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    norm said:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-shooting_n_5696546.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013

    apparently in st louis it's open season on black folks

    Holy shit. That is incredibly disturbing. There has to be a better way to take that guy down.
  • dignin
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    norm said:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-shooting_n_5696546.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013

    apparently in st louis it's open season on black folks

    And people wonder why we have trouble believing the police's version of events.

  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    damn! i can't even think clearly after watching that. i guess they fucking for real serious down in st. louis. come at the cops shoutin, be ready to be taken out. i don't know about this. we are in a miserable state of affairs

    these cops don't use tasers or mace/pepper spray at all i guess. hell use bear spray. something aint right in the water down yonder
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Cliffy6745 said:

    That cop has been relieved of his duties indefinitely

    Which one? The cop that shot Brown or the one that shot the guy with the knife?
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    norm said:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-shooting_n_5696546.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013

    apparently in st louis it's open season on black folks

    Is it open season on black folks... or is it open season on guys advancing towards police with a knife? Are you sure they wouldn't have responded the same way if it was a white guy?

    This is inflammatory. You are rioting in St. Louis via the internet.
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    norm said:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-shooting_n_5696546.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013

    apparently in st louis it's open season on black folks

    Is it open season on black folks... or is it open season on guys advancing towards police with a knife? Are you sure they wouldn't have responded the same way if it was a white guy?

    This is inflammatory. You are rioting in St. Louis via the internet.
    I agree with you thirty. What was he supposed to do? Pepper spray him and hope he doesn't pull out a gun? What the fuck do you expect the police to do in that situation where tensions are already sky high??
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,253
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    Godfather. said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/


    Godfather.

    I'm not saying he didn't get injured but there are videos of the aftermath and he doesn't appear to be nursing wounds or having anyone look at his wounds.

    It says he has a fractured orbital bone. Exactly how many broken bones in a person's skull is required before a cop can assess his assailant as a threat to his life?

    Let alone the grab for his weapon.
    i work in sports medicine and have seen several blow out fractures of the orbital fossa in my career. they are pretty much impossible to miss. all it is is a fracture of the floor of the eye socket, but with blowouts, the fragments pinch on one of the muscles that move the eye. the first obvious sign of blowout fracture is that the person will not be able to move the involved eye up towards the ceiling. the uninjured eye will move towards the ceiling when you try to look up. the one that is fractured will not look up. if this officer did not have trouble looking up, then it is nearly certain that he had no blowout fracture.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,253
    Cliffy6745 said:

    JC29856 said:

    classic... cops without badges threatening to kill named officer gofukurself

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFia3Uo0TQ#t=40

    Good god

    "I'll fucking kill you"

    And people wonder why people feel this cop needs to explain himself. Why in the hell is he walking around waving his gun like that?
    i know who this guy is. i live 2 blocks away from st ann police station and have 2 good friends who are st ann cops. this guy has the reputation of being an asshole, or a "supercop". he has had a few reprimands, both verbal and written in his 20 years of being in law enforcement. i have seen him at the local bar several times. i was advised by my 2 friends that he has a short fuse and that he is a dick so i have never talked to him. i do see him out in public often though.

    maybe the saying that "the bully is always the most scared of the group" applies here.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,253
    so, st louis police department straight up murdered this guy yesterday. a witness got it all on camera. they could have tased them. there were 2 cops.

    this video contains graphic violence and language. do not watch it if you do not want to see a man gunned down. this is how the cops work these days. they did not even try to calm him down. they just shot.

    this is evidence, so it will probably be taken off of youtube soon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-P54MZVxMU&bpctr=1408595773
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Holy shit. I couldn't really watch beyond the shooting.

    Do you know the context? Like why it was being filmed to begin with?

    Hope you're doing alright, being fairly close to all this.

  • Godfather.
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    callen said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    callen said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    chadwick said:

    mob scene nothing more

    Short video without a ton of context, but didn't seem like anyone was doing anything wrong to me. What did they do wrong?
    Cliffy, dude was outnumbered. People are shooting guns, throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at him what do you expect. He's on loosing side no matter what he does. I'd do the same. Vilifying cops is bad deal. Makes things worse. Bad cops need to go but I'm so thankful this dude didn't just quit being a cop.
    The video doesn't show anything or the sort
    I wasn't clear. All these things are happening to cops and this cop knows it could happen in split second and he wants to go home. We'd all be pissing In Our pants if we were in his shoes. And if all cops quit HA! Good luck to town. Think it's too easy to sit in safety and criticize. The guys on video were taunting him. They were the dicks.
    agreed !

    Godfather.

  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,602
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    so, st louis police department straight up murdered this guy yesterday. a witness got it all on camera. they could have tased them. there were 2 cops.

    this video contains graphic violence and language. do not watch it if you do not want to see a man gunned down. this is how the cops work these days. they did not even try to calm him down. they just shot.

    this is evidence, so it will probably be taken off of youtube soon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-P54MZVxMU&bpctr=1408595773

    Jesus.

    I'm not entirely sure what I just watched, but I know I'm not watching it again.

    Why was he waiting in that spot for them? Why did he approach them the way he did? It seemed erratic, right? Why did they shoot to kill when they could have obviously shot to wound or tazered him? Why THE FUCK did they cuff the dead body?

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    http://time.com/3132635/ferguson-coming-race-war-class-warfare/
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    edited August 2014
    So the police's tactics seem to be:
    1) Point guns at innocent people
    2) Threaten to kill or beat annoying people
    3) Shoot anyone who might be a threat

    I can only imagine the shit the police officers take on a daily basis... but they knew that going into that profession. If you have become so affected by it that you quickly resort to threatening to shoot or beat people (or actually do it) just because they question you or don't move at the exact pace that they want you to move, maybe it's time for a new profession. Not many people are cut out for that job. there's not shame in it.

    Just because you like guns, and pleasure yourself watching blockbuster police movies where the cops always win, it doesn't mean that you should be a cop. In fact, it probably means that you shouldn't be.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    JimmyV said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    so, st louis police department straight up murdered this guy yesterday. a witness got it all on camera. they could have tased them. there were 2 cops.

    this video contains graphic violence and language. do not watch it if you do not want to see a man gunned down. this is how the cops work these days. they did not even try to calm him down. they just shot.

    this is evidence, so it will probably be taken off of youtube soon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-P54MZVxMU&bpctr=1408595773

    Jesus.

    I'm not entirely sure what I just watched, but I know I'm not watching it again.

    Why was he waiting in that spot for them? Why did he approach them the way he did? It seemed erratic, right? Why did they shoot to kill when they could have obviously shot to wound or tazered him? Why THE FUCK did they cuff the dead body?

    Disturbing for sure.

    I was left a little disturbed as well. For the guy's part... it looked like he stole two pops, set them on the sidewalk, and waited for the police. Then, when the police came, he seemed very unwilling to cooperate and menacingly advanced towards the officer on the left.

    For the cops' part... the cops both had their guns out immediately. The guy emptied his gun into him and killed him. I agree that tasering or pepper spraying him would have been preferable for my liking; however, if the taser or pepper spray is used as the first line of defence, they must be used while the assailant is distal to the cop- opening up yet another can of worms where cops now have to justify the use of these tools when people are going to be hypercritical and suggest the use of them was unnecessary Not to mention that tasers have become very controversial as well- with deadly results in some cases.

    We can sit back and be critical as much as we want, but can we not acknowledge that these erratic and dangerous behaviours towards police on the job have much to do with people getting shot?
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    blackredyellow said:

    So the police's tactics seem to be:
    1) Point guns at innocent people
    2) Threaten to kill or beat annoying people
    3) Shoot anyone who might be a threat

    You win with points 1 and 2.

    Point 3 is not a slam dunk. If people would respect the law and not be aggressive towards police officers in the line of duty, they likely would not find themselves shot. I'm sure there are children in some homes who do not want their dads being super patient with people who make aggressive advances towards their dads who are serving as police officers.

    There are several stories of police people accosted, hurt, or killed by not taking necessary precautions to safeguard themselves against uncooperative and dangerous people. I poste done a few pages back of one cop getting shot with his own gun while questioning a scumbag in an interrogation room. Would you like 100 more posted to read?
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,602
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    JimmyV said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    so, st louis police department straight up murdered this guy yesterday. a witness got it all on camera. they could have tased them. there were 2 cops.

    this video contains graphic violence and language. do not watch it if you do not want to see a man gunned down. this is how the cops work these days. they did not even try to calm him down. they just shot.

    this is evidence, so it will probably be taken off of youtube soon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-P54MZVxMU&bpctr=1408595773

    Jesus.

    I'm not entirely sure what I just watched, but I know I'm not watching it again.

    Why was he waiting in that spot for them? Why did he approach them the way he did? It seemed erratic, right? Why did they shoot to kill when they could have obviously shot to wound or tazered him? Why THE FUCK did they cuff the dead body?

    Disturbing for sure.

    I was left a little disturbed as well. For the guy's part... it looked like he stole two pops, set them on the sidewalk, and waited for the police. Then, when the police came, he seemed very unwilling to cooperate and menacingly advanced towards the officer on the left.

    For the cops' part... the cops both had their guns out immediately. The guy emptied his gun into him and killed him. I agree that tasering or pepper spraying him would have been preferable for my liking; however, if the taser or pepper spray is used as the first line of defence, they must be used while the assailant is distal to the cop- opening up yet another can of worms where cops now have to justify the use of these tools when people are going to be hypercritical and suggest the use of them was unnecessary Not to mention that tasers have become very controversial as well- with deadly results in some cases.

    We can sit back and be critical as much as we want, but can we not acknowledge that these erratic and dangerous behaviours towards police on the job have much to do with people getting shot?
    We can absolutely acknowledge your last point. This was not someone walking innocently down the street. This was someone deliberately instigating a confrontation with police in a place and time when tensions were already running high. When you instigate a confrontation you often quickly lose control of how fast and how far that confrontation escalates.

    Before anybody jumps in and accuses me of blaming the victim, no, I'm not. The cops had other options and their behavior after the shooting is suspect. That does not mean the victim's behavior was not also strange before the shooting.

    Tragic. And bizarre.

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  • Godfather.
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    this protest is/was violent and some of these dumb-ass's brought their children and insted of taking them home when tear gas was fired the parents covered their faces with a t-shirt so they could use their children as human shields...and that's what we're dealing with.

    Godfather.
  • blackredyellow
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    Godfather. said:

    this protest is/was violent and some of these dumb-ass's brought their children and insted of taking them home when tear gas was fired the parents covered their faces with a t-shirt so they could use their children as human shields...and that's what we're dealing with.

    Godfather.

    You can't judge people without being there. Most days, it was a calm atmosphere on the streets until late at night. Schools were closed, work was closed, you can't expect people to spend all day and all night cooped up in their homes. Some of those nights went sideways in seconds.... If you are walking around with your kids and your friends, and all of a sudden, hours before the curfew, police start blocking off streets (which could be your way to get home), and then without warning start firing tear gas, it's not like you have any options.

    So, "taking them home when tear gas was fired" wan't really an option. There were countless accounts of people stranded because police wouldn't let them back to their cars or even on their own streets. People were getting tear gassed in their front lawns.
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  • blackredyellow
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    JimmyV said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    JimmyV said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    so, st louis police department straight up murdered this guy yesterday. a witness got it all on camera. they could have tased them. there were 2 cops.

    this video contains graphic violence and language. do not watch it if you do not want to see a man gunned down. this is how the cops work these days. they did not even try to calm him down. they just shot.

    this is evidence, so it will probably be taken off of youtube soon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-P54MZVxMU&bpctr=1408595773

    Jesus.

    I'm not entirely sure what I just watched, but I know I'm not watching it again.

    Why was he waiting in that spot for them? Why did he approach them the way he did? It seemed erratic, right? Why did they shoot to kill when they could have obviously shot to wound or tazered him? Why THE FUCK did they cuff the dead body?

    Disturbing for sure.

    I was left a little disturbed as well. For the guy's part... it looked like he stole two pops, set them on the sidewalk, and waited for the police. Then, when the police came, he seemed very unwilling to cooperate and menacingly advanced towards the officer on the left.

    For the cops' part... the cops both had their guns out immediately. The guy emptied his gun into him and killed him. I agree that tasering or pepper spraying him would have been preferable for my liking; however, if the taser or pepper spray is used as the first line of defence, they must be used while the assailant is distal to the cop- opening up yet another can of worms where cops now have to justify the use of these tools when people are going to be hypercritical and suggest the use of them was unnecessary Not to mention that tasers have become very controversial as well- with deadly results in some cases.

    We can sit back and be critical as much as we want, but can we not acknowledge that these erratic and dangerous behaviours towards police on the job have much to do with people getting shot?
    We can absolutely acknowledge your last point. This was not someone walking innocently down the street. This was someone deliberately instigating a confrontation with police in a place and time when tensions were already running high. When you instigate a confrontation you often quickly lose control of how fast and how far that confrontation escalates.

    Before anybody jumps in and accuses me of blaming the victim, no, I'm not. The cops had other options and their behavior after the shooting is suspect. That does not mean the victim's behavior was not also strange before the shooting.

    Tragic. And bizarre.

    I guess what was so bizarre to me was the instant escalation that the police caused. We don't know exactly what was said on the radio if they knew what they were walking into, so I get that they could have some fear. But 2 seconds of watching the guy wandering around talking to himself would tell you that there are probably some mental issues going on. Immediately getting out of the car, guns drawn and screaming at the guy isn't going to help anyone.

    I'm not sure if it's an attitude problem with police officers, or just poor training, but it seems like in recent years, they have developed a "shoot first" mentality when dealing with black people.
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