Michael Brown Shooting

Cliffy6745 said:

callen said:

Cliffy6745 said:

chadwick said:

mob scene nothing more

Short video without a ton of context, but didn't seem like anyone was doing anything wrong to me. What did they do wrong?

Cliffy, dude was outnumbered. People are shooting guns, throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at him what do you expect. He's on loosing side no matter what he does. I'd do the same. Vilifying cops is bad deal. Makes things worse. Bad cops need to go but I'm so thankful this dude didn't just quit being a cop.

The video doesn't show anything or the sort

Cliffy6745 said:

callen said:

Cliffy6745 said:

callen said:

Cliffy6745 said:

chadwick said:

mob scene nothing more

Short video without a ton of context, but didn't seem like anyone was doing anything wrong to me. What did they do wrong?

Cliffy, dude was outnumbered. People are shooting guns, throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at him what do you expect. He's on loosing side no matter what he does. I'd do the same. Vilifying cops is bad deal. Makes things worse. Bad cops need to go but I'm so thankful this dude didn't just quit being a cop.

The video doesn't show anything or the sort

I wasn't clear. All these things are happening to cops and this cop knows it could happen in split second and he wants to go home. We'd all be pissing In Our pants if we were in his shoes. And if all cops quit HA! Good luck to town. Think it's too easy to sit in safety and criticize. The guys on video were taunting him. They were the dicks.

And the people in the video who seem to be exercising the 1st amendment right peacefully should have a high powered gun pointed in the face and told by a cop that "I will fucking kill you". You do realize this America and not North Korea, right?

They were dicks when the cop said go fuck yourself. There is very clearly one instigator in that video.

We all think the looters and violent protesters are jackasses who should be arrested. Why is it so hard to admit that that cop is also acting like a piece of shit?

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

rr165892 said:

dignin said:

rr165892 said:

callen said:

blackredyellow said:

callen said:

Cliffy6745 said:

rr165892 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

rr165892 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Yay, I see the racist is out in force since I last checked in.

Why is this Rascist?I can't speak for others,but I hate criminals of all colors.And in THIS case I think the kid was a thug not an angel and his actions led to his demise.No color needed

Travon was way more innocent then this clown was.

Not you.

Although while you say this specific cop doesn't have a history of race issues, it does sound like the entire police force does, in general.

Maybe you should also give the investigators a call since you know so much about how it went down.

These areas are powder kegs of emotion.IMO its more about economics and the frustration of being trapped within this enviorment.Race just plays as an easy way to vent this built up angst as a scapegoat for the real issues .

How the hell do you know all this?

Agree with most of what RR wrote. Think it's pretty universally accepted.

A lot of it is, until you get to this part:
"Are freedoms and rights being suppressed ? no.Are random people being singled out based on color? No"

Truth is, we don't know that the answers are "no". If you can't walk down the street without getting followed and questioned, or you get beaten by an over zealous cop, I would imagine that you would feel like your rights are being suppressed. And the arrest stats seem to show that black people are being singled out.

I'm not sure of the legal definition of discrimination, maybe these citizens aren't being denied jobs or education or housing based on their skin color, but if you feel like you are being harrassed and not given a fair shake, because you are a certain color, that has to be some sort of discrimination, right?

Sort of like sexual harassment.., it's basically harassment if the victim feels harassed. It's obvious that these people feel harassed based on their skin color.

Yeah had issues with those lines as well. But in end if all were part of the bounty would be better.

Blackredyellow,
Lets not forget he was hassled because he was walking down the middle of the fucking road,being a belligerent cocky asshole to the cop while holding a handful of stolen goods which he just strong armed robbed from a hard working fellow member of his community.So random targeting based on color holds zero weight here.Stick with facts

Exactly stick with the facts. None of what you wrote here are facts. They maybe true but we don't know that yet.

Kid on film robbing store=fact
Walking in road witnessed by everyone=fact
Mouthing off to cop witnessed by many=fact
Had cigars on him=fact
Only thing that is conjecture is he wasn't singled out.

Are these the same dozens of witnesses you referenced hearing about on CNN? I've heard other witnesses say different, but I'm not claiming that what they have said is fact.

As far as the robbery goes, we still don't know the facts surrounding that. Only what the police have stated, which as has been shown before, they are not above reproach. I have not yet heard audio to that video, but maybe there is no audio.

My point is I am not going to believe what the cops have said yet. Until they provide some proof.

Herein lies the problem: you have this backwards. The cops do not have the burden of proving Wilson acted appropriately- unless he is charged and to his defence. The current investigation will try to determine whether excessive force was used and in the event this is established... it is up to the people to demonstrate such by proving it.

This forum consistently demands that people enjoy the rights afforded to them by law. Hell, half the damn community insisted we treat the Boston bombers with dignity and fairness- citing they were innocent until proven guilty. Yet... here... a cop kills a 'gentle giant' in a close quarter confrontation and some of the same people are demanding the cop's head on a platter before due process.

And, without video evidence... it might come down to word vs. word. If this is the case, who are you inclined to believe?

I have no problem with what you are saying here. I have a problem with people claiming things as fact when they have not been proven as such yet.

I think the cop should have his due process. I may think the process is probably rigged in his favour given that the police generally investigate each other in these matters, friends investigating friends, but that is an issue for another thread.

I can only assume that they will take into account all the eye witnesses at the scene and see if they match the forensic evidence, this includes the officer in question. I do not take a cops statement with any more validity than a witnesses statement, especially when the cop is involved in said incident.

I agree that an outside agency should be the ones to investigate this incident.

I agree that the statement by the involved officer is subject to question.

I disagree with the broad based assertion that a police officer's statement is on par with that of any average joe on the street. While there certainly have been examples of deceit in police testimony (as there have been in any profession), I give them more credit and respect than that.

callen said:

Cliffy6745 said:

callen said:

Cliffy6745 said:

callen said:

Cliffy6745 said:

chadwick said:

mob scene nothing more

Short video without a ton of context, but didn't seem like anyone was doing anything wrong to me. What did they do wrong?

Cliffy, dude was outnumbered. People are shooting guns, throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at him what do you expect. He's on loosing side no matter what he does. I'd do the same. Vilifying cops is bad deal. Makes things worse. Bad cops need to go but I'm so thankful this dude didn't just quit being a cop.

The video doesn't show anything or the sort

I wasn't clear. All these things are happening to cops and this cop knows it could happen in split second and he wants to go home. We'd all be pissing In Our pants if we were in his shoes. And if all cops quit HA! Good luck to town. Think it's too easy to sit in safety and criticize. The guys on video were taunting him. They were the dicks.

And the people in the video who seem to be exercising the 1st amendment right peacefully should have a high powered gun pointed in the face and told by a cop that "I will fucking kill you". You do realize this America and not North Korea, right?

They were dicks when the cop said go fuck yourself. There is very clearly one instigator in that video.

We all think the looters and violent protesters are jackasses who should be arrested. Why is it so hard to admit that that cop is also acting like a piece of shit?

Fuck Rosey colored 1st amendment rights bullshit. It's a war zone and cops are targets. Put yourself in his spot. Being all nice and reasonable is gone and if a cop tries to be nice he may not go home to his wife. And for what. Ungrateful POS's.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Cliffy6745 said:

callen said:

Cliffy6745 said:

callen said:

Cliffy6745 said:

chadwick said:

mob scene nothing more

Short video without a ton of context, but didn't seem like anyone was doing anything wrong to me. What did they do wrong?

Cliffy, dude was outnumbered. People are shooting guns, throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at him what do you expect. He's on loosing side no matter what he does. I'd do the same. Vilifying cops is bad deal. Makes things worse. Bad cops need to go but I'm so thankful this dude didn't just quit being a cop.

The video doesn't show anything or the sort

I wasn't clear. All these things are happening to cops and this cop knows it could happen in split second and he wants to go home. We'd all be pissing In Our pants if we were in his shoes. And if all cops quit HA! Good luck to town. Think it's too easy to sit in safety and criticize. The guys on video were taunting him. They were the dicks.

And the people in the video who seem to be exercising the 1st amendment right peacefully should have a high powered gun pointed in the face and told by a cop that "I will fucking kill you". You do realize this America and not North Korea, right?

They were dicks when the cop said go fuck yourself. There is very clearly one instigator in that video.

We all think the looters and violent protesters are jackasses who should be arrested. Why is it so hard to admit that that cop is also acting like a piece of shit?

The cop was acting like a piece of shit. The goofballs filming were acting like a pieces of shit as well.

I don't understand... for the life of me... why idiots feel the need to challenge authority- especially when authority has an assault rifle in their hands and are clearly agitated. Obviously, they don't truly value their lives as much as I value mine.

If a dick cop is being a piece of shit in an agitated state... I'm not going to poke him to see what happens. Why do that? What good can come from that?

Idiots. Complete... 100%... grade A... idiots that likely thought they were being cool.

Cliffy6745 said:

That cop has been relieved of his duties indefinitely

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

rr165892 said:

dignin said:

rr165892 said:

callen said:

blackredyellow said:

callen said:

Cliffy6745 said:

rr165892 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

rr165892 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Yay, I see the racist is out in force since I last checked in.

Why is this Rascist?I can't speak for others,but I hate criminals of all colors.And in THIS case I think the kid was a thug not an angel and his actions led to his demise.No color needed

Travon was way more innocent then this clown was.

Not you.

Although while you say this specific cop doesn't have a history of race issues, it does sound like the entire police force does, in general.

Maybe you should also give the investigators a call since you know so much about how it went down.

These areas are powder kegs of emotion.IMO its more about economics and the frustration of being trapped within this enviorment.Race just plays as an easy way to vent this built up angst as a scapegoat for the real issues .

How the hell do you know all this?

Agree with most of what RR wrote. Think it's pretty universally accepted.

A lot of it is, until you get to this part:
"Are freedoms and rights being suppressed ? no.Are random people being singled out based on color? No"

Truth is, we don't know that the answers are "no". If you can't walk down the street without getting followed and questioned, or you get beaten by an over zealous cop, I would imagine that you would feel like your rights are being suppressed. And the arrest stats seem to show that black people are being singled out.

I'm not sure of the legal definition of discrimination, maybe these citizens aren't being denied jobs or education or housing based on their skin color, but if you feel like you are being harrassed and not given a fair shake, because you are a certain color, that has to be some sort of discrimination, right?

Sort of like sexual harassment.., it's basically harassment if the victim feels harassed. It's obvious that these people feel harassed based on their skin color.

Yeah had issues with those lines as well. But in end if all were part of the bounty would be better.

Blackredyellow,
Lets not forget he was hassled because he was walking down the middle of the fucking road,being a belligerent cocky asshole to the cop while holding a handful of stolen goods which he just strong armed robbed from a hard working fellow member of his community.So random targeting based on color holds zero weight here.Stick with facts

Exactly stick with the facts. None of what you wrote here are facts. They maybe true but we don't know that yet.

Kid on film robbing store=fact
Walking in road witnessed by everyone=fact
Mouthing off to cop witnessed by many=fact
Had cigars on him=fact
Only thing that is conjecture is he wasn't singled out.

Are these the same dozens of witnesses you referenced hearing about on CNN? I've heard other witnesses say different, but I'm not claiming that what they have said is fact.

As far as the robbery goes, we still don't know the facts surrounding that. Only what the police have stated, which as has been shown before, they are not above reproach. I have not yet heard audio to that video, but maybe there is no audio.

My point is I am not going to believe what the cops have said yet. Until they provide some proof.

Herein lies the problem: you have this backwards. The cops do not have the burden of proving Wilson acted appropriately- unless he is charged and to his defence. The current investigation will try to determine whether excessive force was used and in the event this is established... it is up to the people to demonstrate such by proving it.

This forum consistently demands that people enjoy the rights afforded to them by law. Hell, half the damn community insisted we treat the Boston bombers with dignity and fairness- citing they were innocent until proven guilty. Yet... here... a cop kills a 'gentle giant' in a close quarter confrontation and some of the same people are demanding the cop's head on a platter before due process.

And, without video evidence... it might come down to word vs. word. If this is the case, who are you inclined to believe?

I have no problem with what you are saying here. I have a problem with people claiming things as fact when they have not been proven as such yet.

I think the cop should have his due process. I may think the process is probably rigged in his favour given that the police generally investigate each other in these matters, friends investigating friends, but that is an issue for another thread.

I can only assume that they will take into account all the eye witnesses at the scene and see if they match the forensic evidence, this includes the officer in question. I do not take a cops statement with any more validity than a witnesses statement, especially when the cop is involved in said incident.

I agree that an outside agency should be the ones to investigate this incident.

I agree that the statement by the involved officer is subject to question.

I disagree with the broad based assertion that a police officer's statement is on par with that of any average joe on the street. While there certainly have been examples of deceit in police testimony (as there have been in any profession), I give them more credit and respect than that.

ok monsignor evasion tactic.. now you can answer or ignore, i dont care.
does having a police badge automatic make a person more credible than you or i??
what does joe offthe street have at stake? his job? or does the cop have greater incwntive to lie?

Cliffy6745 said:

That cop has been relieved of his duties indefinitely

norm said:

callen said:

Cliffy6745 said:

That cop has been relieved of his duties indefinitely

Political and yeah he probably went bit to far but just can't wrap my head around the stress.

and the citizens of ferguson, who are having military weapons pointed aggressively at them, are not under stress?

callen said:

Cliffy6745 said:

That cop has been relieved of his duties indefinitely

Political and yeah he probably went bit to far but just can't wrap my head around the stress.