Michael Brown Shooting

Thirty Bills Unpaid · August 2014

Gern Blansten said:

Godfather. said:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/

Godfather.
I'm not saying he didn't get injured but there are videos of the aftermath and he doesn't appear to be nursing wounds or having anyone look at his wounds.

It says he has a fractured orbital bone. Exactly how many broken bones in a person's skull is required before a cop can assess his assailant as a threat to his life?

Let alone the grab for his weapon.

Godfather. · August 2014

Gern Blansten said:

Godfather. said:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/

Godfather.
I'm not saying he didn't get injured but there are videos of the aftermath and he doesn't appear to be nursing wounds or having anyone look at his wounds.

Im having a hard time believeing a cop who is said to have no issues with violence during his time on duty could have done this without provication and if he did it will be time to pay up and it's simple as that.

Godfather.

Gern Blansten · August 2014

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Godfather. said:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/

Godfather.
I'm not saying he didn't get injured but there are videos of the aftermath and he doesn't appear to be nursing wounds or having anyone look at his wounds.

Im having a hard time believeing a cop who is said to have no issues with violence during his time on duty could have done this without provication and if he did it will be time to pay up and it's simple as that.

Godfather.

You seem to get your information from Faux News. We don't know his background. That he has "no issues" just means that Ferguson had no means to track issues prior to the last few years.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

Schottel got another unpleasant surprise when he sought the use-of-force history of the officers involved. He learned that before a new chief took over in 2010 the department had a surprising protocol for non-fatal use-of-force reports.

“The officer himself could complete it and give it to the supervisor for his approval,” the prior chief, Thomas Moonier, testified in a deposition. “I would read it. It would be placed in my out basket, and my secretary would probably take it and put it with the case file.”

No copy was made for the officer’s personnel file.

Gern Blansten · August 2014

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Godfather. said:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/

Godfather.
I'm not saying he didn't get injured but there are videos of the aftermath and he doesn't appear to be nursing wounds or having anyone look at his wounds.

It says he has a fractured orbital bone. Exactly how many broken bones in a person's skull is required before a cop can assess his assailant as a threat to his life?

Let alone the grab for his weapon.

Right...but again, in the videos he is not nursing wounds or being looked after for wounds. So answer your own question I guess.

JC29856 · August 2014

classic... cops without badges threatening to kill named officer gofukurself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFia3Uo0TQ#t=40

broken orbital

https://twitter.com/occbaystreet/status/502183740278587392

https://twitter.com/TheePharoah/status/498152994014130176

Thirty Bills Unpaid · August 2014

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Godfather. said:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/

Godfather.
I'm not saying he didn't get injured but there are videos of the aftermath and he doesn't appear to be nursing wounds or having anyone look at his wounds.

It says he has a fractured orbital bone. Exactly how many broken bones in a person's skull is required before a cop can assess his assailant as a threat to his life?

Let alone the grab for his weapon.
Right...but again, in the videos he is not nursing wounds or being looked after for wounds. So answer your own question I guess.

We are all just firing away without really knowing the story.

Again, there is an element of overkill here, but for the moment I'll side with the officer versus the criminal until we are presented with the entire story from a credible source.

Cliffy6745 · August 2014

JC29856 said:
classic... cops without badges threatening to kill named officer gofukurself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFia3Uo0TQ#t=40

Good god

"I'll fucking kill you"

And people wonder why people feel this cop needs to explain himself. Why in the hell is he walking around waving his gun like that?

JC29856 · August 2014

Cliffy6745 said:

JC29856 said:
classic... cops without badges threatening to kill named officer gofukurself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFia3Uo0TQ#t=40
Good god

"I'll fucking kill you"

And people wonder why people feel this cop needs to explain himself. Why in the hell is he walking around waving his gun like that?

Why cant he?

Cliffy6745 · August 2014

JC29856 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

JC29856 said:
classic... cops without badges threatening to kill named officer gofukurself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFia3Uo0TQ#t=40
Good god

"I'll fucking kill you"

And people wonder why people feel this cop needs to explain himself. Why in the hell is he walking around waving his gun like that?
Why cant he?

Seriously?

Cliffy6745 · August 2014

I feel like a lot of people here would be comfortable living in a complete police state from a lot of the comments.

chadwick · August 2014

mob scene nothing more

Cliffy6745 · August 2014

chadwick said:
mob scene nothing more

Short video without a ton of context, but didn't seem like anyone was doing anything wrong to me. What did they do wrong?

norm · August 2014

A Former Marine Explains All the Weapons of War Being Used by Police in Ferguson

There’s at least one line every Marine knows: “Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.” The St. Louis County Police Department apparently never received that memo

Last-12-Exit · August 2014

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:

rr165892 said:
Dosent Holders presence in and of itself play right into the crowd mentality of guilt by accusation.Why this issue for the glorious presences of Holder.
If this cop gets a fair shake I'd be surprised.Its a no win for DA and the Federal Gov should NOT be involved here.There is no pre established racially motivated actions,nor does the cop have a history of race issue.This is a local issue.Elected local officials should be dealing with this.It does not reach a Civil Rights violation.Not a federal issue and would be a slippery slope if they take it.
We must be reading different news. Also rr I'm still waiting for a link talking about the dozens of witnesses backing the cops version of the events.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/08/14/ferguson-police-department-details/14064451/

2. Black people account for most arrests in Ferguson

Last year, black residents accounted for 86% of the vehicle stops made by Ferguson police and nearly 93% of the arrests made from those stops, according to the state attorney general. FBI statistics show that 85% of the people arrested by Ferguson police are black, and that 92% of people arrested specifically for disorderly conduct are black.
But 65% of the population in Ferguson is black. And only 6% of their police force is black. Ummmm...... I think I see a bit of a problem here.
Stats on how many qualified black applicants tried for employment within the dept would be helpful.How many officers do they employ?Is there a hiring practice issue(different discussion).State police and county don't have the same demographically challenged issues do they?
There are 53 officers on the Ferguson police force and only 3 of them are black (or 4 - for some reason that number is unclear), and every single other cop is white. There is not a single other ethnicity represented in the force. So we're talking local police force.... however, almost all of Missouri is white - it's like Ferguson is where all the black people are - so the stats for the state police are similar, but much less meaningful.
According to the Ferguson police, this massive discrepancy is due to the fact that all the black people in Ferguson have an ongoing distrust of the police force and therefore don't want to be on it. I'd say that statement reenforces the idea that the police force has problems related to racial relations, and that's under the very dubious assumption that the police chief is telling the truth (or is even capable of recognizing if there is a problem). It doesn't explain anything away at all.

Another interesting fact: "Missouri law requires the state’s attorney general to issue an annual Vehicle Stops Report detailing demographic information for people pulled over by officers in each city. In 2013, the attorney general’s office reported that black drivers in Ferguson were about twice as likely to be arrested after police stops than whites. Blacks made up 93 percent of 2013 arrests after car stops." (politifact.com)

If the majority of the population is black, is it jot fair to guess that majority of traffic stops (or arrests) are black people and not have it be racial profiling?

Gern Blansten · August 2014

JC29856 said:
classic... cops without badges threatening to kill named officer gofukurself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFia3Uo0TQ#t=40

broken orbital
https://twitter.com/occbaystreet/status/502183740278587392

https://twitter.com/TheePharoah/status/498152994014130176

dude's shirt isn't even ruffled

callen · August 2014

Cliffy6745 said:

chadwick said:
mob scene nothing more
Short video without a ton of context, but didn't seem like anyone was doing anything wrong to me. What did they do wrong?

Cliffy, dude was outnumbered. People are shooting guns, throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at him what do you expect. He's on loosing side no matter what he does. I'd do the same. Vilifying cops is bad deal. Makes things worse. Bad cops need to go but I'm so thankful this dude didn't just quit being a cop.

PJ_Soul · August 2014

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:

rr165892 said:
Dosent Holders presence in and of itself play right into the crowd mentality of guilt by accusation.Why this issue for the glorious presences of Holder.
If this cop gets a fair shake I'd be surprised.Its a no win for DA and the Federal Gov should NOT be involved here.There is no pre established racially motivated actions,nor does the cop have a history of race issue.This is a local issue.Elected local officials should be dealing with this.It does not reach a Civil Rights violation.Not a federal issue and would be a slippery slope if they take it.
We must be reading different news. Also rr I'm still waiting for a link talking about the dozens of witnesses backing the cops version of the events.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/08/14/ferguson-police-department-details/14064451/

2. Black people account for most arrests in Ferguson

Last year, black residents accounted for 86% of the vehicle stops made by Ferguson police and nearly 93% of the arrests made from those stops, according to the state attorney general. FBI statistics show that 85% of the people arrested by Ferguson police are black, and that 92% of people arrested specifically for disorderly conduct are black.
But 65% of the population in Ferguson is black. And only 6% of their police force is black. Ummmm...... I think I see a bit of a problem here.
Stats on how many qualified black applicants tried for employment within the dept would be helpful.How many officers do they employ?Is there a hiring practice issue(different discussion).State police and county don't have the same demographically challenged issues do they?
There are 53 officers on the Ferguson police force and only 3 of them are black (or 4 - for some reason that number is unclear), and every single other cop is white. There is not a single other ethnicity represented in the force. So we're talking local police force.... however, almost all of Missouri is white - it's like Ferguson is where all the black people are - so the stats for the state police are similar, but much less meaningful.
According to the Ferguson police, this massive discrepancy is due to the fact that all the black people in Ferguson have an ongoing distrust of the police force and therefore don't want to be on it. I'd say that statement reenforces the idea that the police force has problems related to racial relations, and that's under the very dubious assumption that the police chief is telling the truth (or is even capable of recognizing if there is a problem). It doesn't explain anything away at all.

Another interesting fact: "Missouri law requires the state’s attorney general to issue an annual Vehicle Stops Report detailing demographic information for people pulled over by officers in each city. In 2013, the attorney general’s office reported that black drivers in Ferguson were about twice as likely to be arrested after police stops than whites. Blacks made up 93 percent of 2013 arrests after car stops." (politifact.com)
If the majority of the population is black, is it jot fair to guess that majority of traffic stops (or arrests) are black people and not have it be racial profiling?

Yes, it would be fair if it were a reasonable majority, basically reflecting the population. But that's not the case here. There are only 67% blacks, there were twice as likely as white people to be pulled over at all, and they made up 93% of the arrests after stops. That math doesn't add up. Yes, I know economic disparity comes into play here. Which actually just accentuates the main problem, no? But I'd say the main issue is that they make up 67% of the population and only 6% of the police force is black. And not only that but every single one of that 94% that isn't black is white. That is a significant statistic to say the least. It's the least diverse police force I think I've ever heard of.

chadwick · August 2014

norm said:
A Former Marine Explains All the Weapons of War Being Used by Police in Ferguson
There’s at least one line every Marine knows: “Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.” The St. Louis County Police Department apparently never received that memo

this is what young hunters learn when grandpa takes them hunting. that is wrong for that cop to be doing (pointing his gun at folks) but it is a mob scene & tension is high & this is a way ppl get shot

a mob scene does not equal peaceful protesting

Cliffy6745 · August 2014

callen said:

Cliffy6745 said:

chadwick said:
mob scene nothing more
Short video without a ton of context, but didn't seem like anyone was doing anything wrong to me. What did they do wrong?
Cliffy, dude was outnumbered. People are shooting guns, throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at him what do you expect. He's on loosing side no matter what he does. I'd do the same. Vilifying cops is bad deal. Makes things worse. Bad cops need to go but I'm so thankful this dude didn't just quit being a cop.

The video doesn't show anything or the sort

Last-12-Exit · August 2014

What is the argument for Ferguson having only 6% of the police force being black? Are black people trying and not being hired? Were any of the 6% of black cops born and raised in Ferguson? Does that matter? Do those numbers include the county law enforcement as well?

I guess what my point is that there are to many variables about why or why not there are only 6% of the law enforcement is black. So I'm not sure what significance that statistic has.

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