Michael Brown Shooting

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  • rr165892 said:

    Digin,Rgambs
    Your both very on point with the cameras.It is that easy.None of this is happening if video footage could set the record straight.I think this should be mandatory .
    Unfortunately police unions have for the most part been fighting camera use throughout the country. It would just solve so much bullshit.... Cops would be held accountable for bad behavior, and for the cop and the department's benefit, bullshit complaints would be basically eliminated.
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  • rgambs said:

    Can you try again but keeping the quotations as per their original integrity?
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    you folks have sales receipts from the ferguson, missouri police department showing they flat out purchase tanks? how about the national guard donating their old equipment or putting older equipment up for auction? how about the military having auctions geting rid of their old ass shit for cheap? i would be very surprised if the ferguson, missouri police department buys high dollar tanks or cheap ass tanks.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited August 2014
    http://reason.com/blog/2013/11/18/police-in-columbia-south-carolina-and-49
    free
    free & free
    as in gifted

    also this isn't quite a tank but i'm still looking
    MRAP (Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected) vehicle

    tax payers on the hook it seems
    Post edited by chadwick on
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

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  • chadwick said:

    http://reason.com/blog/2013/11/18/police-in-columbia-south-carolina-and-49
    free
    free & free
    as in gifted

    also this isn't quite a tank but i'm still looking
    MRAP (Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected) vehicle

    They don't have a tank, no police force in the area does. It's just lazy journalism calling MRAPs and armored personnel carries "tanks".

    But yeah, they got a lot of the stuff free from the military.

    As far as cameras go, if they could eliminate one big lawsuit settlement for police brutality, you'd think that would pay for all the cameras they could ever need.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited August 2014
    anyone want a heavy armored vehicle or a fucking mcdonald's happy meal toy to throw at bad guys?
    pepper spray? comedy gold to some folks. i remember reading the other week ago - pepper spray or taser works. yep... not really. nor does a gun shot to the abdomen work with some mad dudes


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    Post edited by chadwick on
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Wow
    dignin said:

    I posted this in the police abuse thread and it is relevant here also.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/12/nypd-body-worn-camera-pilot-chokehold-death

    NYPD urged to step up body-worn camera pilot after chokehold death
    Amid accusations of excessive force and increasing civilian video of police activity, New York officers may wear cameras while on duty

    The most cited study of the effects of body-worn cameras on policing is Cambridge University’s examination of the police department in Rialto, California. After cameras were introduced in February 2012, officers’ use of force dropped 59%, and complaints against officers plummeted by 88%.
    Wow. Good stuff. Thanks for info.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    interesting stuff, FPD are so concerned for the public well being...

    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Another_Shooting_In_Ferguson
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,657
    I'm not saying he didn't get injured but there are videos of the aftermath and he doesn't appear to be nursing wounds or having anyone look at his wounds.

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  • I'm not saying he didn't get injured but there are videos of the aftermath and he doesn't appear to be nursing wounds or having anyone look at his wounds.

    It says he has a fractured orbital bone. Exactly how many broken bones in a person's skull is required before a cop can assess his assailant as a threat to his life?

    Let alone the grab for his weapon.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    I'm not saying he didn't get injured but there are videos of the aftermath and he doesn't appear to be nursing wounds or having anyone look at his wounds.

    Im having a hard time believeing a cop who is said to have no issues with violence during his time on duty could have done this without provication and if he did it will be time to pay up and it's simple as that.

    Godfather.

  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,657
    edited August 2014

    Im having a hard time believeing a cop who is said to have no issues with violence during his time on duty could have done this without provication and if he did it will be time to pay up and it's simple as that.

    Godfather.

    You seem to get your information from Faux News. We don't know his background. That he has "no issues" just means that Ferguson had no means to track issues prior to the last few years.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html
    Schottel got another unpleasant surprise when he sought the use-of-force history of the officers involved. He learned that before a new chief took over in 2010 the department had a surprising protocol for non-fatal use-of-force reports.

    “The officer himself could complete it and give it to the supervisor for his approval,” the prior chief, Thomas Moonier, testified in a deposition. “I would read it. It would be placed in my out basket, and my secretary would probably take it and put it with the case file.”

    No copy was made for the officer’s personnel file.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,657

    It says he has a fractured orbital bone. Exactly how many broken bones in a person's skull is required before a cop can assess his assailant as a threat to his life?

    Let alone the grab for his weapon.
    Right...but again, in the videos he is not nursing wounds or being looked after for wounds. So answer your own question I guess.

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  • Right...but again, in the videos he is not nursing wounds or being looked after for wounds. So answer your own question I guess.

    We are all just firing away without really knowing the story.

    Again, there is an element of overkill here, but for the moment I'll side with the officer versus the criminal until we are presented with the entire story from a credible source.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,000
    JC29856 said:

    classic... cops without badges threatening to kill named officer gofukurself

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFia3Uo0TQ#t=40

    Good god

    "I'll fucking kill you"

    And people wonder why people feel this cop needs to explain himself. Why in the hell is he walking around waving his gun like that?
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    Good god

    "I'll fucking kill you"

    And people wonder why people feel this cop needs to explain himself. Why in the hell is he walking around waving his gun like that?
    Why cant he?
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,000
    JC29856 said:

    Why cant he?
    Seriously?
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,000
    I feel like a lot of people here would be comfortable living in a complete police state from a lot of the comments.
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    mob scene nothing more
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,000
    chadwick said:

    mob scene nothing more

    Short video without a ton of context, but didn't seem like anyone was doing anything wrong to me. What did they do wrong?
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    A Former Marine Explains All the Weapons of War Being Used by Police in Ferguson
    There’s at least one line every Marine knows: “Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.” The St. Louis County Police Department apparently never received that memo
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    PJ_Soul said:

    There are 53 officers on the Ferguson police force and only 3 of them are black (or 4 - for some reason that number is unclear), and every single other cop is white. There is not a single other ethnicity represented in the force. So we're talking local police force.... however, almost all of Missouri is white - it's like Ferguson is where all the black people are - so the stats for the state police are similar, but much less meaningful.
    According to the Ferguson police, this massive discrepancy is due to the fact that all the black people in Ferguson have an ongoing distrust of the police force and therefore don't want to be on it. I'd say that statement reenforces the idea that the police force has problems related to racial relations, and that's under the very dubious assumption that the police chief is telling the truth (or is even capable of recognizing if there is a problem). It doesn't explain anything away at all.

    Another interesting fact: "Missouri law requires the state’s attorney general to issue an annual Vehicle Stops Report detailing demographic information for people pulled over by officers in each city. In 2013, the attorney general’s office reported that black drivers in Ferguson were about twice as likely to be arrested after police stops than whites. Blacks made up 93 percent of 2013 arrests after car stops." (politifact.com)
    If the majority of the population is black, is it jot fair to guess that majority of traffic stops (or arrests) are black people and not have it be racial profiling?
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,657
    JC29856 said:
    dude's shirt isn't even ruffled

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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited August 2014

    Short video without a ton of context, but didn't seem like anyone was doing anything wrong to me. What did they do wrong?
    Cliffy, dude was outnumbered. People are shooting guns, throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at him what do you expect. He's on loosing side no matter what he does. I'd do the same. Vilifying cops is bad deal. Makes things worse. Bad cops need to go but I'm so thankful this dude didn't just quit being a cop.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,391
    edited August 2014

    If the majority of the population is black, is it jot fair to guess that majority of traffic stops (or arrests) are black people and not have it be racial profiling?
    Yes, it would be fair if it were a reasonable majority, basically reflecting the population. But that's not the case here. There are only 67% blacks, there were twice as likely as white people to be pulled over at all, and they made up 93% of the arrests after stops. That math doesn't add up. Yes, I know economic disparity comes into play here. Which actually just accentuates the main problem, no? But I'd say the main issue is that they make up 67% of the population and only 6% of the police force is black. And not only that but every single one of that 94% that isn't black is white. That is a significant statistic to say the least. It's the least diverse police force I think I've ever heard of.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    norm said:

    A Former Marine Explains All the Weapons of War Being Used by Police in Ferguson

    There’s at least one line every Marine knows: “Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.” The St. Louis County Police Department apparently never received that memo
    this is what young hunters learn when grandpa takes them hunting. that is wrong for that cop to be doing (pointing his gun at folks) but it is a mob scene & tension is high & this is a way ppl get shot

    a mob scene does not equal peaceful protesting
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,000
    callen said:

    Cliffy, dude was outnumbered. People are shooting guns, throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at him what do you expect. He's on loosing side no matter what he does. I'd do the same. Vilifying cops is bad deal. Makes things worse. Bad cops need to go but I'm so thankful this dude didn't just quit being a cop.
    The video doesn't show anything or the sort
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    edited August 2014
    What is the argument for Ferguson having only 6% of the police force being black? Are black people trying and not being hired? Were any of the 6% of black cops born and raised in Ferguson? Does that matter? Do those numbers include the county law enforcement as well?

    I guess what my point is that there are to many variables about why or why not there are only 6% of the law enforcement is black. So I'm not sure what significance that statistic has.
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