Prostitution..should it be legalized ?

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  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    justam said:

    This is a huge topic!
    There are so many aspects that could be pulled out of the discussion and expanded upon.

    In a discussion thread like this, as individuals we fixate on small pieces of the puzzle and hold on to that bit, but we're not all looking at the whole subject.

    There's freewill in here (adults having the right to harm themselves!)
    There's the relation to slavery and people being bought, sold, rented.
    There's the argument about whether sex is more than a physical act or a spiritual one.
    There are the health and safety issues.
    There's the problem with societal acceptance, rejection.
    There's the aspect of sexual freedom vs. repression.
    There's the problem of treating people as if they are not feeling beings but objects
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    (I could even mention that if some scientists built a machine with orifices for fucking, people who buy other people for sex wouldn't want them because they would MISS the power over another person aspect. That's what I feel is buried and ignored here. There's an aspect to prostitution that is rather evil. That needing to buy and dominate another human being. I don't think it's just people wanting to fuck because they like sex or the physical sensations!)

    That's just the bare minimum of topics that could be discussed when thinking of this big puzzle and
    we can all argue our little piece of the puzzle and get no where.


    I like your comment :)
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    By the way, there ARE machines and those plastic blowup dealios with said orifices for fucking.

    Amazing! ;)
  • STAYSEA
    STAYSEA Posts: 3,814
    Yes, I believe it should be legalized.
    For many reasons.
    The government can profit by taxing it.
    Buyers and Sellers both could benefit from safer practices and policies.
    With all emotions aside...
    IT is the one of the oldest professions in our historical catalogs.
    It will continue with or with out legalization.
    Prostitution is prevalent in every culture and includes men as much as women.
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  • Leezestarr313
    Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,444
    edited August 2014
    mickeyrat said:

    Leezestarr313 said:

    The legalization does not mean that it's a free for all. In Germany, prostitution is legal, but human trafficking or forcing somebody into prostitution or underage street whores are not. The legalization is there to make things easier for those who choose to work in this profession on an honest base to make a living. It is not there to encourage abusers to make easy money by abusing others. These would not be covered by the legalization anyway. Their situation would be just as before and they would not stop doing it.

    It also dictates regular health screenings doesnt it?
    I think so.

    Here's a website with a little more info with pros and cons. http://prostitution.procon.org/ Haven't read all of it, but this is my bookmark for later.
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  • justam
    justam Posts: 21,415
    edited August 2014
    hedonist said:

    By the way, there ARE machines and those plastic blowup dealios with said orifices for fucking.

    Amazing! ;)

    I know. That's the point. Prostitution still exists because the customers want MORE than just a hole to fuck and the release of sexual tension. They want a human being yet they don't want to have to treat the prostitute as an equal human being.





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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited August 2014
    justam said:

    hedonist said:

    By the way, there ARE machines and those plastic blowup dealios with said orifices for fucking.

    Amazing! ;)

    They want a human being yet they don't want to have to treat the prostitute as an equal human being.





    This is an assumption and a judgement.
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  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    So if the prostitute needs to pay taxes she will get less money...isn't that bad?
  • Leezestarr313
    Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,444
    She gets social security, better access to health care, protection by law in general in exchange. Making it legal also is supposed to prevent women from being completely dependent on a pimp who takes a big chunk of their money. It will be easier for them to be self employed. With all the rights that a self employed person has.
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  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    Well it sounds fine but does it work in the reality. People in this kind of business will still be scumbags.
    But I can not really know if it would work better, maybe it does?

    ^#(^
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    justam said:

    hedonist said:

    By the way, there ARE machines and those plastic blowup dealios with said orifices for fucking.

    Amazing! ;)

    I know. That's the point. Prostitution still exists because the customers want MORE than just a hole to fuck and the release of sexual tension. They want a human being yet they don't want to have to treat the prostitute as an equal human being.
    Yeah, I'm with dignin. I don't know how motives of the buyer can be assigned, though I think maybe they're projected...?

    Leeze, it sounds like a good deal there - at least, a realistic and beneficial one.
  • justam
    justam Posts: 21,415
    brianlux said:

    Another one of my naive, idealistic comments but... if our societies and parents taught people to be open, self confident, respectful, kind and mutually respectful maybe there would be no prostitution, legal or otherwise.

    I agree with this Brianlux. :)
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  • justam
    justam Posts: 21,415
    dignin said:

    justam said:

    hedonist said:

    By the way, there ARE machines and those plastic blowup dealios with said orifices for fucking.

    Amazing! ;)

    They want a human being yet they don't want to have to treat the prostitute as an equal human being.





    This is an assumption and a judgement.
    It IS an assumption and a judgement. I feel it's a fair assessment though and I'll tell you why...

    In the world, people can obtain sex free of charge from other people by being desirable to the people. I don't mean they have to be beautiful, I mean they have to behave in such a way that another person finds them desirable. That usually takes treating another person well!!

    Our species has had a lot of sex and usually it's between people who want each other. When an individual finds him or herself in a place where no one wants to have sex with him or her there is usually a reason.

    Total equality would mean that people have to find other people willing to have sex with them for free!!

    I'm all for FREE sex. Not coerced sex. Paying someone is a way of getting them to do something they wouldn't otherwise want to do with you! ;)

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  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    edited August 2014
    dignin said:

    justam said:

    hedonist said:

    By the way, there ARE machines and those plastic blowup dealios with said orifices for fucking.

    Amazing! ;)

    They want a human being yet they don't want to have to treat the prostitute as an equal human being.





    This is an assumption and a judgement.
    But do you really think that the prostitute gets treated equal?
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    I work in health care and many of my clients are or have been sex trade workers. Only one, out of dozens I've met, have felt positively about sex work. 100% of them have been addicted and are doing sex work to afford drugs. Typically they were drug users first and turned to sex trade to afford the drugs; I've never met anyone who started working in the sex trade and then got into drugs, but perhaps such people exist. Everybody had experienced violence and humiliation. The only woman who claimed to enjoy sex trade work was also heavily addicted to multiple substances, from heroin to crystal meth and crack, but still insisted she would be working in the sex trade if she wasn't using drugs (hard to tell, really, since she'd been using since her early teens).

    Of course, this could all be a sampling artifact since I'm only seeing people with physical or mental health problems. Perhaps there are healthy and happy sex trade workers out there. If so, I think they would still be in the minority. It's not a field that tends to attract people who see themselves as having other options.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Once you strip all the social baggage away paying for massage is same as paying for sex. If both willingly agree to contract there is no taking advantage of either party. Also think the women charging 1000 per hour are the ones in control. All perspective.

    Now I prefer to be in loving relationship but to each there own.

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  • justam
    justam Posts: 21,415
    Well, for those of you who asked whether or not it was an unfair relationship and suggested that I was projecting this. Let's talk facts.

    A prostitute has the job of getting the client to his orgasm however he wants it. It's her job to help him enjoy himself.

    Do you think the customer is concerned with whether or not the prostitute likes what he's doing? Does he have to care whether or not she gets pleasure or pain from the experience? No.

    He has paid her so he does not need to care about her pleasure or pain. This is a fundamental inequality in the experience that can't be denied!

    A couple that is equal is one in which both parties want each other, and both parties need to care about the other person's pleasure.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    callen said:

    Once you strip all the social baggage away paying for massage is same as paying for sex. If both willingly agree to contract there is no taking advantage of either party. Also think the women charging 1000 per hour are the ones in control. All perspective.

    Now I prefer to be in loving relationship but to each there own.

    >:)

    I'm sure most don't charge such a high rate, but it reminded me of Heidi Fleiss and her extensive clientele (who would likely not have to pay for sex but chose to).

    And with you on that last part! Never been into one-night stands and the like - it's just not me - but if others are and need a quick fix, OK by me.

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    oftenreading said:

    I work in health care and many of my clients are or have been sex trade workers. Only one, out of dozens I've met, have felt positively about sex work. 100% of them have been addicted and are doing sex work to afford drugs. Typically they were drug users first and turned to sex trade to afford the drugs; I've never met anyone who started working in the sex trade and then got into drugs, but perhaps such people exist. Everybody had experienced violence and humiliation. The only woman who claimed to enjoy sex trade work was also heavily addicted to multiple substances, from heroin to crystal meth and crack, but still insisted she would be working in the sex trade if she wasn't using drugs (hard to tell, really, since she'd been using since her early teens).

    Of course, this could all be a sampling artifact since I'm only seeing people with physical or mental health problems. Perhaps there are healthy and happy sex trade workers out there. If so, I think they would still be in the minority. It's not a field that tends to attract people who see themselves as having other options.

    I really appreciate hearing from those with direct contact - perhaps you're correct on the status (and perhaps also on those with whom you specifically deal).

    I don't think the majority seek it out and hopefully the paths leading them to this choice will change over time so it's not an option for others. But, as it stands, I don't see how legalizing it wouldn't improve conditions.

  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    oftenreading said:

    I work in health care and many of my clients are or have been sex trade workers. Only one, out of dozens I've met, have felt positively about sex work. 100% of them have been addicted and are doing sex work to afford drugs. Typically they were drug users first and turned to sex trade to afford the drugs; I've never met anyone who started working in the sex trade and then got into drugs, but perhaps such people exist. Everybody had experienced violence and humiliation. The only woman who claimed to enjoy sex trade work was also heavily addicted to multiple substances, from heroin to crystal meth and crack, but still insisted she would be working in the sex trade if she wasn't using drugs (hard to tell, really, since she'd been using since her early teens).

    Of course, this could all be a sampling artifact since I'm only seeing people with physical or mental health problems. Perhaps there are healthy and happy sex trade workers out there. If so, I think they would still be in the minority. It's not a field that tends to attract people who see themselves as having other options.

    Thank you for contributing, interesting information.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    oftenreading said:

    I work in health care and many of my clients are or have been sex trade workers. Only one, out of dozens I've met, have felt positively about sex work. 100% of them have been addicted and are doing sex work to afford drugs. Typically they were drug users first and turned to sex trade to afford the drugs; I've never met anyone who started working in the sex trade and then got into drugs, but perhaps such people exist. Everybody had experienced violence and humiliation. The only woman who claimed to enjoy sex trade work was also heavily addicted to multiple substances, from heroin to crystal meth and crack, but still insisted she would be working in the sex trade if she wasn't using drugs (hard to tell, really, since she'd been using since her early teens).

    Of course, this could all be a sampling artifact since I'm only seeing people with physical or mental health problems. Perhaps there are healthy and happy sex trade workers out there. If so, I think they would still be in the minority. It's not a field that tends to attract people who see themselves as having other options.

    Another reason to legalize all drugs. Keeping prostitution illegal exasperates the problem.
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