Gaza ***GRAPHIC PICS***

SivanMerili said:

Non bus attacks, but still terror, massacre.
The Fogel family.





You know what is the most horrifying story about this family?
That some ruthless sub human on this planet are ussing the last photo and saying its from Gaza.
Twisted, disturbed sub human.

Both Israelis and Palestinians are losers in this conflict
There can be no military solution. Both sides need to acknowledge the other’s suffering and their rights

Daniel Barenboim
The Guardian, Thursday 24 July 2014 18.25 BST

Palestinians salvage their belongings from the rubble of their homes after an Israeli missile strike in Gaza City. Photograph: Hatem Moussa/AP
I am writing these words as someone who holds two passports – Israeli and Palestinian. I am writing them with a heavy heart, as the events in Gaza over the past few weeks have confirmed my long-standing conviction that there is no military solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This is not a political conflict but a human one, between two peoples who share the deep and seemingly irreconcilable conviction that they are entitled to the same small piece of land.

It is because this fact has been neglected that all the negotiations, all the attempts at brokering a solution to the conflict that have taken place until now, have failed. Instead of acknowledging this true nature of the conflict and trying to resolve it, the parties have been looking for easier and fast solutions. Unfortunately, there are no shortcuts when it comes to solving this conflict. A shortcut only works when we know the territory we cut through – and in this case, nobody possesses that knowledge as the essence of the conflict remains unknown and unexplored.

I have deep sympathy for the fear with which my fellow Israelis live today: the constant sounds of rockets being fired, of knowing that you or someone close to you might get hurt. But I have profound compassion with the plight of my fellow Palestinians in Gaza, who live in terror and mourn such devastating losses on a daily basis. After decades of devastation and loss on both sides, the conflict has today reached a previously unimaginable level of gruesomeness and despair.

I therefore dare to propose that this may be the moment to look for a true solution to the problem. A ceasefire is of course indispensable, but it is by far not enough. The only way out of this tragedy, the only way to avoid more tragedy and horror, is to take advantage of the hopelessness of the situation and force everybody to talk to one another. There is no point in Israel refusing to negotiate with Hamas or to acknowledge a unity government. No, Israel must listen to those Palestinians who are in a position to speak with one tongue.

The first resolution that has to be achieved is a joint agreement on the fact that there is no military solution. Only then can one begin discussing the question of justice for the Palestinians, which is long overdue, and of security for Israel, which it rightfully requires. We Palestinians feel that we need to receive a just solution. Our quest is fundamentally one for justice and for the rights given to every people on Earth: autonomy, self-determination, liberty, and all that comes with it. We Israelis need an acknowledgement of our right to live on the same piece of land. The division of the land can only come after both sides have not only accepted but understood that we can live together side by side, most definitely not back to back.

At the very heart of the much-needed rapprochement is the need for a mutual feeling of empathy, or compassion. In my opinion, compassion is not merely a sentiment that results from a psychological understanding of a person’s need, but it is a moral obligation. Only through trying to understand the other side’s plight can we take a step towards each other. As Schopenhauer put it: “Nothing will bring us back to the path of justice so readily as the mental picture of the trouble, grief and lamentation of the loser.” In this conflict, we are all losers. We can only overcome this sad state if we finally begin to accept the other side’s suffering and their rights. Only from this understanding can we attempt to build a future together.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/24/israelis-palestinians-losers-conflict-suffering-rights

Makes sense to me that if you hold a people captive on a tiny piece of land, restrict access to water, burn their food supply regularly and completely restrict their freedom of movement, they will eventually rise up and fight tooth and nail for these basic human rights. this without even mentioning IDF torturing and killing Palestinian kids with reckless abandon and nobody to answer to for doing it.

Israel treats Palestinians as worse than dogs. It's baffling that it's allowed happen. If you had a dog that behaves as Israel is right now, you'd have it put down.

US needs to stop supporting the israeli regime. Then and only then will everyone sit down on a level playing field and talk peace. That will never happen though. Not while the US media is lying in favour of the Israelis and brainwashing the american people, in order to protect its sole ally in the middle east and eventually get access to the massive amounts of gas that gaza is sitting on, which is at the end of the day, all that this is about.

Former Israeli soldier reveals the truth..this is moving
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=818422044845042

http://www.surf-israel.com
http://www.gazasurfclub.com/Home.html

SivanMerili said:

http://www.surf-israel.com
http://www.gazasurfclub.com/Home.html

What do you really wish to accomplish by stating that both sides surf? Of course, one can only manage this miraculous feat with the protection and education of a US-based not-for-profit organization if you're living on a certain side of the border. Not to mention this is such a horrifyingly blatant deflection, which can be allowed on this forum, but NOT on this thread. Israelis, Palestinians, Jews, Arabs, the rest of the world: do not take this bait.

I don't agree with many of the arguments but I do give Sivan credit for overcoming a language barrier to voice unpopular opinions in an unfriendly environment. Takes guts to speak up when you know not many will agree.

And yes, you can enter gaza, through Egypt..
Oh sorry, Egypt closed her borders too.
Why is that?!
Dose Egypt hava some hidden porpose to kill the civilianze there from hunger?
No. They are protecting the borders from terror dripping into Egypt.