Jerusalem Post/Ben Red Completely Off Base In Criticism of Eddie and Pearl Jam

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  • link93
    link93 Posts: 414
    Have to agree with Brad. I don't know why anyone is surprised by what Eddie says here. It is part of what and who he is. And while I don't agree with everything Eddie has to say I agree with his right to say it and I don't mind looking at things from other peoples point of view and after consideration either disagreeing or changing my opinion if my opinion is wrong. Some things I agree with Eddie on and many things I disagree, but I think if Eddie and I were to sit down and have a drink we would get along great. Just my 2 cents.
  • melissachun
    melissachun Posts: 107
    bradklausen said:

    and a p.s. to the shut up and sing thing.... people say "i didn't pay money to listen to someone talk about politics!"... but if you spent money on a pj ticket, you sure as shit spent money to listen to someone sing about politics... you even happily sing along... people get mad when ed stops singing about politics and starts talking about them... then the band plays Insignificance or Do The Evolution or Rockin in the Free World or All Along the Watchtower or any of the many politically themed songs in the band's catalog and everyone cheers and sings along... but then he stops singing and expresses himself exactly as he does in his lyrics and people get all bent out of shape...

    I don't think a lot of people really consider the meaning of lyrics, or they give it a pass as long as it's a catchy melody. That's really the beauty of the songs. If people actively listen they may become aware of an idea they wouldn't have otherwise considered. I think of a Pearl Jam concert as an "experience" not a "show." It's interactive as opposed to being just a spectacle. I hope that never changes.
  • notforconsumption
    notforconsumption Posts: 116
    edited July 2014
    Brad Klausen, couldn't have put it better!
    (Also a big fan of your work!)
    The individuals in these high, decision-making positions don't care about the people, they only care about power. This is directly applicable to each and every one of the numerous violent conflicts that are currently taking place around the world.

    People get manipulated into fighting these wars, but there's no way they could come out winners.
    War is destructive and devastating. For people and the environment!

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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    There are three big territorial conflicts in the headlines right now.Israel/Palestinian,Russian/Ukranian,And the on going quest to take over cities by ISIS in Iraq and Syria.While North Korea is also shooting(testing) Missles.
    I think Ed is wrapping it all up in one big statement against ALL the hostilities going on worldwide.I don't see where it was directed at any one conflict.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    rr165892 said:

    There are three big territorial conflicts in the headlines right now.Israel/Palestinian,Russian/Ukranian,And the on going quest to take over cities by ISIS in Iraq and Syria.While North Korea is also shooting(testing) Missles.
    I think Ed is wrapping it all up in one big statement against ALL the hostilities going on worldwide.I don't see where it was directed at any one conflict.

    Keep telling yourself that. Or maybe he was talking about Cambodia or Vietnam....
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Maybe
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    Read the comments below the article those are pretty interesting.
  • bradklausen
    bradklausen Posts: 441
    edited July 2014
    CM189191 said:

    rr165892 said:

    There are three big territorial conflicts in the headlines right now.Israel/Palestinian,Russian/Ukranian,And the on going quest to take over cities by ISIS in Iraq and Syria.While North Korea is also shooting(testing) Missles.
    I think Ed is wrapping it all up in one big statement against ALL the hostilities going on worldwide.I don't see where it was directed at any one conflict.

    Keep telling yourself that. Or maybe he was talking about Cambodia or Vietnam....

    I believe he was speaking to things like Cambodia and Vietnam... he was speaking about war. And while he very well could have been addressing recent event with Israel and Palestine, while that might have been the catalyst for his comments (none of us will ever truly know) he wasn't choosing sides... the tag line in daughter was "war, what is it good for?" ...not" Israel, what they are doing is wrong".

    he's speaking to all the elements of the world that choose war over peace... regardless of what country they are operating out of. He's been very outspoken about the actions of his own government who have generated a great deal of war and conflict throughout the history of the US.

    we should all be against war and conflict...even if some party murders your whole family, while it's natural to seek revenge and justice... it's the whole an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth just leaves the whole world blind and toothless.





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  • mrk2
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    tempo_n_groove said:

    Read the comments below the article those are pretty interesting.

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  • whofeelslikeadrank
    whofeelslikeadrank Posts: 2,702
    to me the funniest part is the quote at the end... Eddie "finally" revealing his "true face"? What "fan" didn't already know how Eddie really felt about war??
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    tempo_n_groove said:

    Read the comments below the article those are pretty interesting.

    Kinda sickening seeing how people love to wrap this shit up and make it theirs.Lots of hate on every side.There is a lot of stupid people in this world.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,097
    some movement, when the dj who was apparently running the website, abruptly changes his mind, disinvites eddie to play in his country, and threatens to take down the website and stop the movement.

    a bit of an over reaction maybe??
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  • RiotZact
    RiotZact Posts: 6,293
    You know what's funny/ironic? We're talking about people being in power making decisions for a much larger group of people, that's pretty much what's gonna happen to the "Bring Pearl Jam to Israel" movement, the guy in charge is gonna be butt hurt from Eds words and shut it down and the rational thinking fans in Israel may never get a show.
  • UKDave
    UKDave Posts: 5,557
    People will interpret a meaning to suit their own agenda, it is, unfortunately, human nature, especially in people who hold extreme views, it's all about self justification. Sounded pretty generic to me and who in their right minds wouldn't want an end to war and suffering. Peace and peace of mind, sounds pretty good to me...
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,097
    RiotZact said:

    You know what's funny/ironic? We're talking about people being in power making decisions for a much larger group of people, that's pretty much what's gonna happen to the "Bring Pearl Jam to Israel" movement, the guy in charge is gonna be butt hurt from Eds words and shut it down and the rational thinking fans in Israel may never get a show.

    a rational person at the head of this movement would address the situation and change the movement to more of a positive PR one for the state of israel, not change his mind, say "screw you eddie", and end the movement because he can not take criticism of his government.

    i am american and i have tons of friends from around the world. my government gets bashed every single day. i defend it sometimes, but other times i just have to agree because the criticisms are honest and true.
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  • its_ok
    its_ok Posts: 200
    I dont get it. How can anyone that has followed the band be surpised by what Eddie said? To start interpreting it as anti-Israeli just sounds like paranoia to me. Ed doesn't like war, regardless of nationality.

    Now hope they go play Israel, would love to see them there!

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  • JWPearl
    JWPearl Posts: 19,893
    Im against violence too..
  • i_lov_it
    i_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    benjs said:

    RS151862 said:

    I think that writer took a pretty huge, and irresponsible leap suggesting that Ed was referring to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. The writer even says "Although he never explicitly mentions Israel by name...". Its no secret Ed, and many Americans, have been critical of our countries actions in the Middle East, and there's no reason to believe Ed's not talking about that. He has countless times before so I'm not sure why the writer assumes hes talking about Israel this time.

    Oh, come on, let's be realistic here - this was about the conflict.
    Of course it was but the Writer was trying to be "Diplomatic" really 8-|
  • JB128716
    JB128716 Posts: 2,064
    If it makes you feel better, in Leeds Ed asked for less war since he doesn't believe No War will work anymore.

    Also, I was there and never thought he was talking about Isreal. Honestly, I thought it was US's involvement in Iraq (somewhere we shouldn't be).

    I also wonder how long Ed has been singing the line, Never gonna vote Republican in the song Evenflow.
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    JB,I just noticed your concert timeline for 2014 and did a double take.I love the positive thinking.Sure South Florida lets Lebron go and in return we get a show.Fair deal.
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