There is no god

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  • evsgjamm
    evsgjamm Posts: 2,108
    hedonist said:

    chadwick, thanks for that.

    And Thirty, me too. I'm OK if I never get them.

    Chadwick, you are so far up my ass. hahahahha. I love your posts - you are out there my friend. Keep em comin ya poetic genius!
    Vancouver '03, Paramount Theatre '05, Saskatoon '05, Calgary '05, Edmonton '05, Saskatoon '11, Calgary '11, Calgary '13

    2010 WATCH IT GO TO FIRE!!
  • evsgjamm
    evsgjamm Posts: 2,108
    chadwick said:



    so you all believe the planets & sun/stars & all this vastness is just a playground for gases & funky liquids & hard as fuck stones & metals all floating around scratching their asses?

    what does the phrase 'mother earth' mean to you?
    i believe many could not give two shits about what this means

    Howdeeeeeeeeeee dooooooooo (Thanking coffee for this post - most of my posts actually)

    As a scientist (haha - I could have said "christain", which i technically am, but christianity is bunk) my reply to you, good sir, is as follows:
    WHHAAAAAAAAT????!!!?!? Of course not, Mr. Poet! Physics is your answer :) We have the capabilities of doing so much with Physics. In lay terms, sure, you may call the vast playground of the gases and liquids a place to "scratch an ass." - is our galaxy up your ass?) - I am being cordial with you by the way. Everytime I say something to you, I envision you and I having a drink and swapping phrases in the midst of a shitload of cheersing beer mugs.

    And to me, physics isn't a higher power. There is no higher power. There is just physics. (insert everything we know about physics here - I'm ready for some of your minds to be blown up by this. Always seems to irk ya the wrong way. So so strange. Did you know that our galaxy is made up of other galaxies? The Milky Way wasn’t always as it is today, a beautiful barred spiral. It became its current size and shape by eating up other galaxies. It’s still doing so today – the Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy is the closest galaxy to the Milky Way because its stars are currently being added to the Milky Way’s disk, and our galaxy has consumed others in its long history, such as the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy. She's a hungry beeotch. Just add more milk and whammo - there goes another galaxy)

    Mother Earth: simple to me. just our planet. that's all. Mother Earth is our planet. answer over. And I LOVE planet Earth. oh fuck ya. you're god damn rights I do. If I could I'd have little baby mother earth's all over the place, just running around randomly with all their big round bodies and goofy little species doing random acts of kindness... just running around a big ole playground... scratching their asses. Watch out for pubes.

    That cup of coffee... was delicious as all hell. (i think it's because I've recently learned about the word "ellipsis"... they have a name! I love that.)

    This thread is a playground with many an ass being scratched.

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    2010 WATCH IT GO TO FIRE!!
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,324
    Case closed ... Now pay your respects.

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    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • evsgjamm
    evsgjamm Posts: 2,108
    [-O< I bow to thee
    Oh Lemmy
    Forgive me for I have sinned
    I hath not doth bought thou music
    Shame me
    I beg you
    Shame me
    Doth the moth of David Lee Roth not be goth yet be he a sloth unto you
    Shame me
    Oh Lemmy, shame me. [-O<
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    2010 WATCH IT GO TO FIRE!!
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,324
    :D
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,665
    Who needs drugs? We've got evsgjamm, Chadwich and Jason P!

    Yeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw!

    Lovin' that Lemmy photo.

    Lemmy, god of Bass Thunder.

    And Pearl Jam, our great gods/jam band come down from the Great Northwest Hinterlands!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Where did chadwick take the ass-up path?

    Anyway, this thread's taken some kind of odd turn.

    Nice to make fun. All good when we have a laugh.

    Cheers, and let 'er rip.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,665
    edited July 2014
    Only heathens, pagans, hedonists and iconoclasts stay up this late. But I know Yoda will forgive me my transgressions.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited July 2014
    dear mr. physics professor,

    this complex mathematical circus act can & does solve the simpler things in life as we know it. your difficult math formulas & whatnot are holding true to maybe .0000000001% of everything & this is on a good day, sir. do not fool yourself into believing your superiority at the whiteboard is really anything but a practical joke played on you by those born before you & a slight bit of common sense & luck.

    as a scientist you should be looking very far & deep into things. 'spiritually would help.' as a scientist you should be lying down the white lab coat every once in awhile & roll around in the mud on a warm or cold evening. drop a couple hits on LSD & lay in the grass

    again another discussion with a scientist. you folks have huge arrogant balls let me tell you something. your little classroom lectures & study centers truly mean nothing on the grander scale of all of this. by the way, i studied environmental sciences a bit: foresty, fisheries - marine & freshwater & raised hundreds of thousands of salmon & trout at a time for the state of washington while attending school. i understand the sciences give us a slight grasp on things in this life, but only for the way we preceive this life we are in.

    please wrap your head around something farther than your own beliefs, understandings & daydreams.

    speaking of coffee - i hear that guitarist guy who sings a bit in a band has a coffee out or is the spokesman anyway... 'valhalla java' ... youtube has a few clips over there carrying on.

    p.s. i been waiting for a few of you geniuses to teach me some complex shit. still waiting
    i got though a few algebra classes. puzzles w/ letters & numbers. this should be being taught in kindergarten like it is in korea... one of my tutors was from s. korea & at age 4 or 6 years old they are diving into complex math

    physics isn't but buttocks scratching when it comes to the real big ass picture... sorry if i am breaking your heart

    spiritually does not mean religion either by the way
    Post edited by chadwick on
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    I am tired; my heart is
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    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    chadwick said:

    dear mr. physics professor,

    this complex mathematical circus act can & does solve the simpler things in life as we know it. your difficult math formulas & whatnot are holding true to maybe .0000000001% of everything & this is on a good day, sir. do not fool yourself into believing your superiority at the whiteboard is really anything but a practical joke played on you by those born before you & a slight bit of common sense & luck.

    as a scientist you should be looking very far & deep into things. 'spiritually would help.' as a scientist you should be lying down the white lab coat every once in awhile & roll around in the mud on a warm or cold evening. drop a couple hits on LSD & lay in the grass

    again another discussion with a scientist. you folks have huge arrogant balls let me tell you something. your little classroom lectures & study centers truly mean nothing on the grander scale of all of this. by the way, i studied environmental sciences a bit: foresty, fisheries - marine & freshwater & raised hundreds of thousands of salmon & trout at a time for the state of washington while attending school. i understand the sciences give us a slight grasp on things in this life, but only for the way we preceive this life we are in.

    please wrap your head around something farther than your own beliefs, understandings & daydreams.

    speaking of coffee - i hear that guitarist guy who sings a bit in a band has a coffee out or is the spokesman anyway... 'valhalla java' ... youtube has a few clips over there carrying on.

    p.s. i been waiting for a few of you geniuses to teach me some complex shit. still waiting
    i got though a few algebra classes. puzzles w/ letters & numbers. this should be being taught in kindergarten like it is in korea... one of my tutors was from s. korea & at age 4 or 6 years old they are diving into complex math

    physics isn't but buttocks scratching when it comes to the real big ass picture... sorry if i am breaking your heart

    spiritually does not mean religion either by the way

    I agree with this. I just can't comprehend that people dismiss God because they don't understand something God does or don't agree with it.

    And science's principles are just based upon what we THINK we know and principles we invented as humans.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,665
    I read a quote somewhere that scientist do not claim to prove anything- that is, they do not do proofs, that's for mathematicians.

    And what about a spiritual physicists like Fritjof Capra? I have not read him but what I've read about him sounds interesting. Maybe his kind of thinking is a bridge to disparate beliefs. I don't know. Enlighten me.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • know1 said:

    chadwick said:

    dear mr. physics professor,

    this complex mathematical circus act can & does solve the simpler things in life as we know it. your difficult math formulas & whatnot are holding true to maybe .0000000001% of everything & this is on a good day, sir. do not fool yourself into believing your superiority at the whiteboard is really anything but a practical joke played on you by those born before you & a slight bit of common sense & luck.

    as a scientist you should be looking very far & deep into things. 'spiritually would help.' as a scientist you should be lying down the white lab coat every once in awhile & roll around in the mud on a warm or cold evening. drop a couple hits on LSD & lay in the grass

    again another discussion with a scientist. you folks have huge arrogant balls let me tell you something. your little classroom lectures & study centers truly mean nothing on the grander scale of all of this. by the way, i studied environmental sciences a bit: foresty, fisheries - marine & freshwater & raised hundreds of thousands of salmon & trout at a time for the state of washington while attending school. i understand the sciences give us a slight grasp on things in this life, but only for the way we preceive this life we are in.

    please wrap your head around something farther than your own beliefs, understandings & daydreams.

    speaking of coffee - i hear that guitarist guy who sings a bit in a band has a coffee out or is the spokesman anyway... 'valhalla java' ... youtube has a few clips over there carrying on.

    p.s. i been waiting for a few of you geniuses to teach me some complex shit. still waiting
    i got though a few algebra classes. puzzles w/ letters & numbers. this should be being taught in kindergarten like it is in korea... one of my tutors was from s. korea & at age 4 or 6 years old they are diving into complex math

    physics isn't but buttocks scratching when it comes to the real big ass picture... sorry if i am breaking your heart

    spiritually does not mean religion either by the way

    I agree with this. I just can't comprehend that people dismiss God because they don't understand something God does or don't agree with it.

    And science's principles are just based upon what we THINK we know and principles we invented as humans.
    Dismiss God because they don't understand something God does?

    Am I missing something here? What have I failed to understand about what God does?

    What I can't comprehend is that people gave up on the idea of Santa Clause- finally resigning themselves to the impossibility of the story sold to them; yet, they cling to this idea that an omnipresent and powerful being hovers above everybody- knowing and seeing all.

    Religion worked very well for controlling the masses and having them toil in the soil- living a simple life and looking forward to their next 'really exciting life'. While the masses embraced this arrangement, the authorities lived the life of decadence supported by corruption and... lies.

    I also find it very ironic that the very people that scoff at suicide bombers and the promises made to them about 1000 virgins, do hail marys every time they swear for fear of repercussion when they float to the pearly gates and seek to gain entrance to Heaven where it's really awesome.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    edited July 2014
    That part was about the OP not understanding why something bad happened.
    Post edited by know1 on
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    chadwick said:

    in my way of thinking & feeling-out-others, i believe i would be hard pres







    you have faith in yourselves, friends & family, yes?







    faith in pearl jam & other musicians you enjoy, yes?
    you have faith in sunlight & moonlight



    show me a person with not one tiny fraction of faith

    you'll be having a dead person in your arms, yes?

    "here is your person w/ no fait

    how many times and ways will some of you keep conviencing your selfs that you don't believe in God ? this and gun threads are rehashed every couple months or so and it's just about as exciting as watching paint dry,what are some of you so afraid of that you hide your selfs from faith ?

    Godfather.

    It's the same way you are afraid of all Muslims , immigrants , Gays , lesbians .....I'm not afraid of a God that i don't believe in at all .....I'm afraid of loosing my Children ,wife , parents .....
    who's afraid ? don't confuse fear with disagreement, do you fear me ? some you of keep using the same term "fear" or "afraid" or "phobia" and I assure you I do not fear any of those people and things you mentioned , fearing the loss of a loved one is understandable but as for the rest ...I'll have to give that a big NOPE !

    Godfather.

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    sorry chad that reply was for Jose on another topic and I don't know how it ended up here
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    how many times and ways will some of you keep conviencing your selfs that you don't believe in God
    ? this and gun threads are rehashed every couple months or so and it's just about as exciting as watching paint dry,what are some of you so afraid of that you hide your selfs from faith ?

    Godfather.

    It's the same way you are afraid of all Muslims , immigrants , Gays , lesbians .....I'm not afraid of a God that i don't believe in at all .....I'm afraid of loosing my Children ,wife , parents .....
    who's afraid ? don't confuse fear with disagreement, do you fear me ? some you of keep using the same term "fear" or "afraid" or "phobia" and I assure you I do not fear any of those people and things you mentioned , fearing the loss of a loved one is understandable but as for the rest ...I'll have to give that a big NOPE !

    Godfather.




  • evsgjamm
    evsgjamm Posts: 2,108
    Chadwick, this one is for you.

    I think I have... no, i KNOW I have a man crush on you. You speak so badass and it intrigues me.

    Now, to give your brain a challenge.

    Why does the zero-point energy of the vacuum not cause a large cosmological constant? What cancels it out?

    Does nature have more than four spacetime dimensions? If so, what is their size? Are dimensions a fundamental property of the universe or an emergent result of other physical laws? Can we experimentally observe evidence of higher spatial dimensions?

    Why is gravity such a weak force? It becomes strong for particles only at the Planck scale, around 1019 GeV, much above the electroweak scale (100 GeV, the energy scale dominating physics at low energies). Why are these scales so different from each other? What prevents quantities at the electroweak scale, such as the Higgs boson mass, from getting quantum corrections on the order of the Planck scale? Is the solution supersymmetry, extra dimensions, or just anthropic fine-tuning?

    I don't know a heck of a lot about physics or math. I understand fundamental things, like the speed & mass of a fireball during light flight and dark flight. Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but to grasp these concepts you have to define some things. As intellectuals, finding answers to physical "problems" requires definitions of variables & constants. We've defined some very basic variables (displacement, acceleration & force for example) and some constants (gravitation, molar mass and standard atmosphere for example) to which we can use to calculate things like the distance from the Earth to the Moon, or the composition of a molecular compound. We can then begin to understand things we never quite understood before. We can then start asking more questions and obtain more answers. There is no limit (or is there?) to what we can learn. Common sense is a huge factor in this - does it make sense? If it doesn't make sense, why doesn't it make sense? What's the limiting factors? What can you define in the problem? What is unknown? Can you measure it? Why or why not? How can we better understand it? Is there a solution?

    These aren't practical jokes at whiteboards. Sure, they are mostly discovered by old drunken slobs that have nothing better to do than try to solve problems, but it is those brilliant minds to which we bow down to and obey and give thanks for making our world a little more understandable. Without them, we would still be on a flat Earth, screaming Hallelujah to Alah and the Mesiah for creating daylight while believing the flood was created due to a few women getting their rocks off with a group of men. Hogwash.

    I understand your meaning of spiritual. I love rolling around in the mud. LSD, though you love it, is just a drug that alters perception (in positive and negative ways) to which some benefits may arise to some people. I understand too, that with time, people's perceptions of god and religion are evolving. There is a common theme developing where the religious types are claiming god and religion are not associated with one another. It's a fairly new thing you must admit. It's a no-brainer that gods and religions go hand in hand in previous times.
    Me: What religion do you belong to?
    Don: Christian
    Me: Oh... Christian? That's the god where Jesus is the son, right?
    Don: ya.. ya it is.
    Me: Ok right on. What about you, what religion are you?
    Karen: I'm Judaist.
    Me: Oh, that's the god where... oh wait. You are forbidden to envision a god, right?
    Karen: ya, that's right.... we can just use the star of david.
    Me: Right on, bro. what about you? what religion are you?
    Chadwick: don't even ask man... i don't have a religion i belong to.
    Me: No, you don't? do you believe in god?
    Chadwick: well obviously I do. he is everywhere. Oh he is, is he? ya... he is.
    Me: right on bro. So, would you mind explaining..
    Chadwick: HEY LOOK MAN... I can't ok? You obviously don't understand.
    Me: No, you're right I don't... but maybe I do understand something. You have belief in something, to which I don't think is a real thing.
    Chadwick: Ya, that's right and no matter what you say, you or nobody else will change my views
    Me: Ok, fair enough. But you do like Pearl Jam, right?
    Chadwick: yes you dumass.
    Me: right on, bro. me too.
    Chadwick: wanna pop some LSD and roll in the mud?
    Me: I'll just meet you in the mud
    Chadwick: Cool - I'm gonna get off my BALLS now.
    Me: Chadwick... you are ALWAYS off your balls. Come on in, the mud's shitty!
    Chadwick: jumpin in - CANON BALLLLLLLLLS
    Me: Oh Chadwick - you big shithead
    Chadwick: fuck you asshole
    Me: WOW did you see that?? A shooting star, Chadwick!! That thing entered our atmosphere at about 40 miles altitude from where we are right now!
    Chadwick: what the fuck are you talking about?
    Me: It did! This shit's been studied. We know the thickness of our atmosphere from our obsession with astronomy. We understand what happens when items enter our atmosphere based on our own experiments in space exploration. Expand our studies even further and we have, with 100% certainty, learned the physics about fireballs and shooting stars.
    Chadwick: you are one crayyyyyyzy motherfucker evsgjamajjslfjsdjf lsjdf whatever your name is
    Me: ya, I is.
    Chadwick: This is fucked. Why are we here?
    Me: You wanted this
    Chadwick: No I didn't!!
    Me: Well sure you did! You said it in the forum didn't you?
    Chadwick: well kinda... i said YOU should do LSD and roll around in the mud. So why am I here??
    Me: Cuz I wanted you to be here
    Chadwick: strange. How did I get here?
    Me: my keyboard brought you here, with the help of my fantastic brain
    Chadwick: fucked up
    Me: I know
    Chadwick: I want out
    Me: You can't leave yet
    Chadwick: Don't be a dick!
    Me: fine fine fine... wanna hear a funny story before you go?
    Chadwick: sure, make it quick. this LSD is losing it's effect and you're weirding me out
    Me: Ok, I'll make it quick I promise.
    Chadwick: Ok

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    2010 WATCH IT GO TO FIRE!!
  • evsgjamm
    evsgjamm Posts: 2,108
    Me: This guy I know. He used to believe in jesus and god and all that stuff. He thought that going to church and praying for others and doing the best he could in his community and being an all around excellent dude, was a good life to lead. He had the support of his mom, his dad and his brothers and sisters. They lived a happy life. They were respected in their community. Well one day, the guy decides to skip church because his friends are all going on a camping trip. His mom and dad said it was fine, of course. So his parents and siblings, his grandpa and grandma and their family friends are all sitting in church when the mom receives a text on her phone? it's from her boss (she's a police officer) saying her son has been in a car accident and she needs to get the family to the hospital.
    Chadwick: this is fucked up.
    Me: I know man. so anyways, her and her family leave the church and drive to the hospital. They are greeted by the administrator and one of the doctor's who's been tending to those in the crash. The doctor says "are you mrs. Carver?" she says "yes, what has happened to my boy??" and the Doctor says "I'm sorry ma'am. Your son has been in an accident and he is on life support." The mother and the rest of the family break down as she falls to the floor at her husbands feet. "I need to see him" she cries out. "I NEED TO SEE HIM!" she screams. The doctor advises her to stay calm and she and her family can go see him. He leads them down the hall to his room. It's quiet in the hospital. As she walks in, she sees him lying on the bed, with bandages covering the left side of his head and face. The heart monitor makes the only sound in the room. beep beep...... ..........beep beep..... ..........beep beep.... ..........beep beep.....
    The mother grabs her sons hand and pets him on his head. She looks at him dearly, tears rolling down her face and she whispers... oh, my poor boy. my poor poor boy... why did this happen?..... why............ if you had only gone to church, none of this would have happened.
    Chadwick: oh give it a rest!
    Me: almost done. But you see, had he gone to church he would've never been in that crash and the family would've been attending lunch at their grandparents like they did after every church service on Sunday. But here they were, in a hospital with doctor's and nurses trying to help keep people alive. Good people, bad people, people of all backgrounds and sets of values.... and in the room next to this woman's son, laid the body of the driver. His parents were in Amsterdam on a business trip and it was the middle of the night for them. They hadn't been to church in years. They weren't even sure they believed in god anymore! They're son certainly didn't. He was as atheist as they come. He thrived off it and actually enjoyed getting in people's faces over it! But that's not the point.
    Chadwick: Well what iS the point?
    Me: That texting while driving isn't safe. It's fucking stupid man. One moment you're skipping church. The next minute, you're lying in a hospital bed, connected to wires, unable to respond to your parents cries to god to help them.
    Chadwick: is that it?
    Me: no. that's not it. Those parents still go to church and they still pray for their son. They had a lovely service for him and the whole town came to pay their respects. What really touched me though, is that several of his teenage friends showed up with their cell phones and took video of the whole service.
    Chadwick: That's disrespectful. What the heck?
    Me: They tossed them into the grave at the end of the ceremony.
    Chadwick: Geeez
    Me: Ya man. The point I'm trying to make is nothing really makes sense with us humans if you only think of things that don't make sense. There are some things that do make sense and we have worked hard to figure them out. Some things happen in life and they are so complex our minds can't grasp them. It's up to our selves, be that individuals or groups, to find out whatever it is we wish to find out. If there are things you don't understand and you have no interest in trying to understand them, then don't. No one is forcing you to. On the contrary, if there are things that you don't understand but would like to understand more, do whatever you can to help yourself through those processes. I'm not sure it I make any sense to you; I probably don't. But I do respect you. And I do respect the others on the forum as well.
    Chadwick: well, it's been interesting
    Me: ya it has. thanks for coming through my keyboard in this fucked up dream.
    Chadwick: haha, well I really had no choice did I?
    Me: Well, I guess not. It's been fun. shall we get up out of this muddy pit? My legs are starting to feel numb and I think I'm stuck to the ground.
    Chadwick: myeaaaaaaaa I suppose it's about time. Thanks man - you're a fucked up dude, but I dig your style. It ain't my style, but I respect it. peace out brahv
    Me: HEY! I always say "Brahv"
    Chadwick: I know.... i AM you... ya shithead.
    Me: oh fuck, that's right.
    Chadwick: leave now. We've annoyed enough people here I think.....
    Me: Bye Chadwick:
    Chadwick: Bye evsgjamlaksjdlfjsd flsjlj.... whatever your name is.
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    2010 WATCH IT GO TO FIRE!!
  • evsgjamm
    evsgjamm Posts: 2,108
    edited July 2014
    Dedicated to Chadwick: I hope you entertained my story telling with at least a smirk on your face. This one's for you pal.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYADTq62k8
    Vancouver '03, Paramount Theatre '05, Saskatoon '05, Calgary '05, Edmonton '05, Saskatoon '11, Calgary '11, Calgary '13

    2010 WATCH IT GO TO FIRE!!