This has to stop

We have 3 GA shows this fall its our first time in GA, my girlfriend is hellbent on getting rail we are short so that is one reason but either way its not like we have had it before or some elitists fans, she plans on waiting on line as soon as she wake up the day of, i will be joining her later on in the day as i cant wait out there too long due to health issues

i think the list can have positives but people leaving for hours and abusing it is the issue but i think we dont need a list to make sure people get bathroom breaks and food breaks i think we are all for the most part caring and normal people so should be able to make friends within those hours take the breaks you need etc.

i would have no problem with someones plus 1 showing up like im going to be doing but anything more is abusing the situation

3 GA shows?

Good god this lottery system sucks

0 for 12 lifetime and that included Moline and St paul... :(

iamloco724 said:

We have 3 GA shows this fall its our first time in GA, my girlfriend is hellbent on getting rail we are short so that is one reason but either way its not like we have had it before or some elitists fans, she plans on waiting on line as soon as she wake up the day of, i will be joining her later on in the day as i cant wait out there too long due to health issues

i think the list can have positives but people leaving for hours and abusing it is the issue but i think we dont need a list to make sure people get bathroom breaks and food breaks i think we are all for the most part caring and normal people so should be bale to make friends within those hours take the breaks you need etc.

i would have no problem with someones plus 1 showing up like im going to be doing but anything more is abusing the situation

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People that know how lines work understand that people need to eat and go to the bathroom and have to get up an walk around the block or something to stretch their legs and sometimes people go to gigs by themselves and that there is no problem with a Plus One.
It is the Plus 20 that people have problems with. And in most cases, people don't do that shit. There are people that do that.
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Antecdotal story:
My friend got a pair of Soundgarden tickets at the L.A. forum a couple of years ago. We got there early at the Fan Club Early Entrance line. We were about 20ish or so... hung out all day.
Before the doors opened, the people in the front let a ton of people in. These people weren't there and this was the first we saw of them. We were now closer to being 100ish.
When the doors opened the line sort of spread out because there were 4 or 5 doors. The line cutter went to the closest door... I said, 'Keep going' towards the furthest door. The scanner for the people at the front of the line was failing to scan the tickets. We got right in.
Also, we were told we needed additional wrist bands for access to the floor so we went to the table to get our wrist bands. We got to the floor and got a spot on the rail, right in front of Ben... right where we wanted to be... because, we love Ben.
What happened to the line cutters was they were so freaked out about not getting their tickets scanned.. when they got into the venue, they blew past the wrist band table. When they reached the floor, they were told they could not get down there without a writband. So, they had to go back up to the lobby and wait in line to get their wirst bands.
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Moral of the Story: Karma. She's a bitch. I just wish she'd get around more often.

Next time you see a list, mob jump them, and tear it up. if that happens once or twice the list will disappear.

boyo79 said:

Some dude was giving me aggro last night cos I was near the front but didn't have a number and he did. It's GA, that means you can stand where you like. I didn't push my way through at all. This was 2 and a half hours before the band came on. I moved back in the end, though I didn't want too or feel that I should. Anyway turns out this guy bailed from the front 3 songs in last night.

It's a ridiculous made up system and I've never seen it for other bands. These people running the lists are clearly ego-maniacs. And you won't see them in here, cos they are too busy queuing for the next gig....

As I noted in another thread, the lists being used is an exact copy of the fan run system that's been used for Springsteen tours in Europe for years, right down to the check-in times.

The real problem isn't the list. It's that PJ fans are starting to become real jerks to one another. All kinds of yelling and name-calling on this board, on Facebook and also in person now.

I'm someone who will always try to get as close as I can, and the process, while it has always been stressful, was also fun and I made many new friends during the Europe 2012 and USA 2013 tours. We all watched out for each other and battled away line-cutters and spoke up when people were starting to abuse the list.

This tour, seems like it was every man for himself and people only spoke up for their own personal interests and didn't give a flying fuck about other fans they didn't know. Seems like we are forgetting why we are all here in the first place.

The list works if it assumes most people are doing the right thing and stay put, it helps deter the few line-cutters. The list does not work if the majority including those that arrive early and are managing the list think it's perfectly fine to leave and go to the preparty, take a nap, etc.

I'm all for lining up without lists and people staying put, however what's been a real problem this tour is the venues haven't been setting up the barricades for people to enter until very close to the time. So you couldn't really line up and people were all just clustering wherever there was shelter. In this situation, you really need some sort of list. However, there's such distrust in the list (threads like this don't help) that people who arrive later in the day make a generalization that everyone who has a number on their hand is an elitist fan even though a majority have legitimately even waiting all day, walk up to the front of the line and say fuck the list.

I don't have a solution on how to handle GA, I wish we could all just be respectful and "do the right thing" but as we all know, that's simply not human nature. That's why there are rules and laws and enforcers in pretty much every public aspect of our lives. If human beings could be trusted universally, we wouldn't need people to man the tills, we would just be trusted to leave enough cash to cover our purchases.

PJam82 said:

Someone should just make some fliers with basic information about this unsanctioned "list' and how it is just fans manipulating other fans. Hand them out at any point before the show....take one pass it down!

I thought the same thing, and plan to have discussions about the BS list at the shows I attend. It's amazing how easy it can be to convince people you have some authority when you have your act down and carry a clipboard. I'm sure most fans don't realize the listers are not affiliated with the band or venue, so they just go along w it. I'm not confrontational, but I will call someone out on their BS. This is flat-out bullying. It isn't acceptable in schools, and it shouldn't be anywhere else.

It feels like we are heading towards something ugly.