It's a totally different situation if the band's reps are in charge and everyone is informed of the process by the official fan club and it's monitored and controlled. That isn't the case here.
Bruce's people have nothing at all to do with the list, though they do accept that the list is happening so it is quasi-official at this point. It is completely fan run and fan administrated.
And the people who don't go to every show, have no idea of an unofficial list, and show up to actually wait in line should just all eat shit?
There is one GA entrance and the list is kept there. Even if you've never been to a show before, you would be told about it and the vast majority of Springsteen concert-goers doing GA have been to shows before. Plus, the list is widely known about online. Everyone goes on the list and gets a number on their hand.
It's a totally different situation if the band's reps are in charge and everyone is informed of the process by the official fan club and it's monitored and controlled. That isn't the case here.
Bruce's people have nothing at all to do with the list, though they do accept that the list is happening so it is quasi-official at this point. It is completely fan run and fan administrated.
Oh, okay, well I 'd have to hear from more people to know that it wasn't being abused either. But at any rate, the Pearl Jam fans running the lists obviously are abusing the system and allowing it to be abused, so this is actually irrelevant, lol. Doesn't matter what may or may not be working for Springsteen fans (I'd be shocked if what you describe doesn't bring problems to people if random fans are making up rules and enforcing them when they have absolutely no authority to do so, and I'd love to know how well their friends do in said line). A list ain't working for PJ ones.
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And the people who don't go to every show, have no idea of an unofficial list, and show up to actually wait in line should just all eat shit?
There is one GA entrance and the list is kept there. Even if you've never been to a show before, you would be told about it and the vast majority of Springsteen concert-goers doing GA have been to shows before. Plus, the list is widely known about online. Everyone goes on the list and gets a number on their hand.
Again, none of those things make the list valid. You also left out the second half of my post that doesn't support your argument.
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And the people who don't go to every show, have no idea of an unofficial list, and show up to actually wait in line should just all eat shit?
There is one GA entrance and the list is kept there. Even if you've never been to a show before, you would be told about it and the vast majority of Springsteen concert-goers doing GA have been to shows before. Plus, the list is widely known about online. Everyone goes on the list and gets a number on their hand.
Again, none of those things make the list valid. You also left out the second half of my post that doesn't support your argument.
The list is valid because it is what is done. If you go to a Springsteen show in Europe, you will abide by the list. It's that simple. Bruce doesn't want the lists here in the States so they use the lottery system. Now we know that PJ doesn't want the lists used and that is fine.
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And the people who don't go to every show, have no idea of an unofficial list, and show up to actually wait in line should just all eat shit?
There is one GA entrance and the list is kept there. Even if you've never been to a show before, you would be told about it and the vast majority of Springsteen concert-goers doing GA have been to shows before. Plus, the list is widely known about online. Everyone goes on the list and gets a number on their hand.
Again, none of those things make the list valid. You also left out the second half of my post that doesn't support your argument.
The list is valid because it is what is done. If you go to a Springsteen show in Europe, you will abide by the list. It's that simple. Bruce doesn't want the lists here in the States so they use the lottery system. Now we know that PJ doesn't want the lists used and that is fine.
The logic of waiting your turn to get into a venue is not difficult to comprehend. If there is a line when you get to the venue then you wait in that line. What is so hard to understand?
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The logic of waiting your turn to get into a venue is not difficult to comprehend. If there is a line when you get to the venue then you wait in that line. What is so hard to understand?
But people have a list at Bruce's European concerts. It's that simple...
Any system where people are reserving spots on an unofficial list and then spending the day in museums and such deserves to be shut down. I for one am glad this one was. Love Springsteen but I'm unimpressed by his fan run system.
So, if you are not in line you are not in line. That clears it up. No more list or taking numbers. If someone cuts you and your line friends, raise shit.
I haven't read all the posts and therefore apologise I know I don't say anything new. The number on the hand sucks!!! I saw 2 guys in Berlin that had the same number :-O :-O I couldn't believe it, it's so wrong – NOT OFFICIAL – and not supported by the Ten Club. We queued patiently for hours and hours in the super hot sun or in the very cold wind, I couldn't believe that some arrogant, cheeky person came running jumping the queue, saying "sorry, sorry I was here at 6 o'clock this morning I have priority..." but where were you for the rest of the day?? Unbelievable!!
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we all knew when this started that this was where it would end up.
"I want to be on the rail, but I want to go party all day and not stand in line."
I'm still confused how people think "GA" doesn't mean "General Admission". If you want to own a piece of real estate for the show - get yourself a reserved seat. Otherwise, fuck off.
Houston, Texas... Believe it or not, there are 7 million people here... must be a couple of fans who'd love to see you play.
Did it work? Did the list die somewhere between Stockholm and Oslo? Still waiting to hear a first hand report. If 10c has been handing out that flyer since Amsterdam and the list has continued unabated, I'm not sure the email alone will be enough to kill it.
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This has been an amusing thread (dog sexing/barfing is pretty funny) but the same shitbags are going to keep shitting on others because they seemingly can. People just need to stand up for it if this happens during the shows upcoming - document and send to 10C.
Bit late to the (pre)party, but here's my thoughts:
I feel sorry for the people going to their first ever show. We all must recall how that feels. Being a little giddy that you're going to see your fave band. You plan on getting there a little early to get a good spot. You turn up mid-afternoon and see twenty or so people infront of you. You can't believe your luck! Down the front, probably as near to being front-and-centre as you can get. Then the news breaks that there's 100s of people infront of you. We all know where that goes from that point.
And those people going to their first show will get the impression that PJ fans are jerks, which we know is not the case for 99.99% of fans. That's not good.
I'm surprised with the advent of smart phones, these people shitting on their own fanbase and band haven't been found out sooner, rarther than later.
FWIW, I've been to nearly 50 shows and have had the rail once (purely by chance - Belfast, 2010, if you care), and the experierence wasn't as great as you'd believe. Always found it better to be 5 or 6 rows back, without much neck-creaking invovled.
Hopefully something gets done about this and people's nights aren't spoiled by a minority.
Keep on RITFW.
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we all knew when this started that this was where it would end up.
"I want to be on the rail, but I want to go party all day and not stand in line."
I'm still confused how people think "GA" doesn't mean "General Admission". If you want to own a piece of real estate for the show - get yourself a reserved seat. Otherwise, fuck off.
The list system didn't work for Springsteen in the US for all of the reasons stated here.... So now, you go at some point during the day and get a wristband. At 5 pm, the number is drawn and the front of the line starts from that number. No controversy for the most part, and it frees up everyone's time to go and enjoy the city that they are in. Anyone who comes after 5 simply joins the line until the doors open. Simple and straightforward. Takes away accusations of fixing shit.
TC should kick out all the persons who started this list crap this tour (I am talking about the assholes who told the Amsterdam security the list thing is a PJ policy). I've been talking to security several minutes and told them TC doesn't support this!
The list people made a deal with security that the first 260 numbers got their own entrance. They had a SEPERATE section before TC line where everybody with a number on his hand could enter and exit till 5.45!!!
They where pretty clear about the subject in the confirmation e-mails (see below). Such a disrespect for the band and the community...
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"- The GA line is first-come, first-served. In the past, fans have used their own fan created numbering system to save a place in line. This is not organized or policed by the Ten Club. Although we appreciate the good intentions in the fans creating this system, we have seen fans abuse this in the past arriving early to get a number, and then leaving for long expanses of time. We do not condone this. It is the Ten Club’s position that those that put in the time to wait in the early entry line all day should be of the first in the door. Of course it is necessary to take bathroom breaks. Like any other line that you find yourself standing in for long periods of time in your life, simply communicate to your neighbor that you need a quick break and will be right back and they will ask the same in return from you because this is the right thing to do. The GA line should be a friendly community. Be neighborly and respectful and do not abuse the kindness of your fellow Ten Club members.`
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If the BS list system is so great, why isn't it used in the USA? I found this info online about BS lottery GA policy and it's not as great as everyone is making it out to be. Seems like a lot of work for the fan club, actually. I found something else that mentioned different venues having different policies for his shows and that would be confusing.
Edit to add...It would be awesome to get the rail because of waiting in a line, NOT because of a random lottery draw. Hope 10C doesn't change to lottery.
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2004 Boston: Sept 28 & 29
2005 Montreal: Sept 15
2006 Boston: May 24 & 25
2008 Hartford: June 27, Mansfield: June 28,
2010 Boston: May 17
2013 Worcester: Oct 15, Hartford: Oct 25,
2016 Hampton: April 18, Raleigh: April 20 (cancelled), Columbia: April 21. Quebec: May 5. Boston (Fenway): August 7
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If there is a line when you get to the venue then you wait in that line. What is so hard to understand?
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we all knew when this started that this was where it would end up.
"I want to be on the rail, but I want to go party all day and not stand in line."
I'm still confused how people think "GA" doesn't mean "General Admission". If you want to own a piece of real estate for the show - get yourself a reserved seat. Otherwise, fuck off.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I feel sorry for the people going to their first ever show. We all must recall how that feels. Being a little giddy that you're going to see your fave band. You plan on getting there a little early to get a good spot. You turn up mid-afternoon and see twenty or so people infront of you. You can't believe your luck! Down the front, probably as near to being front-and-centre as you can get. Then the news breaks that there's 100s of people infront of you. We all know where that goes from that point.
And those people going to their first show will get the impression that PJ fans are jerks, which we know is not the case for 99.99% of fans. That's not good.
I'm surprised with the advent of smart phones, these people shitting on their own fanbase and band haven't been found out sooner, rarther than later.
FWIW, I've been to nearly 50 shows and have had the rail once (purely by chance - Belfast, 2010, if you care), and the experierence wasn't as great as you'd believe. Always found it better to be 5 or 6 rows back, without much neck-creaking invovled.
Hopefully something gets done about this and people's nights aren't spoiled by a minority.
Keep on RITFW.
The list people made a deal with security that the first 260 numbers got their own entrance. They had a SEPERATE section before TC line where everybody with a number on his hand could enter and exit till 5.45!!!
They where pretty clear about the subject in the confirmation e-mails (see below). Such a disrespect for the band and the community...
Peace ^:)^ ^:)^ ^:)^
"- The GA line is first-come, first-served. In the past, fans have used their own fan created numbering system to save a place in line. This is not organized or policed by the Ten Club. Although we appreciate the good intentions in the fans creating this system, we have seen fans abuse this in the past arriving early to get a number, and then leaving for long expanses of time. We do not condone this. It is the Ten Club’s position that those that put in the time to wait in the early entry line all day should be of the first in the door. Of course it is necessary to take bathroom breaks. Like any other line that you find yourself standing in for long periods of time in your life, simply communicate to your neighbor that you need a quick break and will be right back and they will ask the same in return from you because this is the right thing to do. The GA line should be a friendly community. Be neighborly and respectful and do not abuse the kindness of your fellow Ten Club members.`
Edit to add...It would be awesome to get the rail because of waiting in a line, NOT because of a random lottery draw. Hope 10C doesn't change to lottery.
http://brucespringsteen.net/news/2012/galotteryprocedures