You know , I have re-thought seniority and believe it should be included in accessing tickets. If someone has given PJ directly over $20,000 over the years for tix/merch and been a member since 1998, they do deserve a 10c ticket over a fan who just became a member this year so they could get a fan club ticket.
So if spent 20.000 in a year...did i cover the years i wasnt a member?? we pay membership per year...means this year all members are the same for score tix.. the system of senority is just fine if they make categories at fans privelege then fans they never played near their area should get a refound and charge less than others..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I dont understand why it takes 7-8 hours. People get tickets, get declined, and get tickets at all points over the 7-8 hours.... even if its not, it just kind of makes me feel like it is a disorganized/unclean process.
I would feel better about the process if entries were closed, and at noon EST the following day, they blasted out all emails and results at the same time.
CC thing...ita a long proccess...and aome have issues..if cc dowsnt work need to find a solution before draw someone else
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
You know, I have re-thought seniority and believe it should be included in accessing tickets. If someone has given PJ directly over $20,000 over the years for tix/merch and been a member since 1998, they do deserve a 10c ticket over a fan who just became a member this year so they could get a fan club ticket.
So what would the newer fans be paying membership fees for? No one would join and tons would drop the club if this happened. Can't think of a worse financial or marketing tactic for Pearl Jam, driving away new fans and filling all the best seats and the entire pit at their rock concerts with old people, lol.
I understand your point. If a company has sports tickets to hand out they are likely to go either to the long-time, high fee client or the new client/prospect. You can't ignore new clients or fan club members.
I feel that I have proven over a 16 year period that I am a loyal fan by seeing 76 shows with an average distance from my home of 400 miles per show, along with buying 100's of shirts, posters, vinyl, boots, etc... I feel like I deserve a better shot at tickets than someone who joined in 2013, who may never see another show.
I am not asking that I get every show I want, but I feel like I deserve better than getting my only ticket as my 10th f'n priority draw.
Some argue that folks who see a lot of shows are spoiled. Who deserves a ticket more, someone who travels the world to see them regardless of where they go, or the fan that is only willing to see them when convenient?
Again, we are talking fan club tickets here. I feel like those that are willing to go great lengths to see a show deserve them more than the crowd who will see a show if only in their backyard. I get that some can't afford to travel, but a lot is based on choice and priorities
You're making a lot of assumptions about new members. Why do you assume that someone who is new to the fan club aren't just as in love with the band as you are? I only joined at the beginning of 2012, but I can assure you that I'm every bit as much of a fan as you are, and while I have been a fan since '91, I know there are plenty of people just as passionate about this band who only discovered them in more recent years.... so why should I be given a tougher time to see them than you, when I'm paying the same membership fees as you? Just because you have been LUCKY enough to have traveled extensively over the years to see the band doesn't mean you are more deserving of enjoying the band now. Shouldn't other people get to experience the joy that you have been fortunate enough to experience over and over and over and over and over and over again? Also, a huge number of people haven't been "unwilling" to see the band in all different places. The majority of people simply can't afford to do that, either monetarily or otherwise. Those people still deserve to enjoy the shows, every bit as much as you do.... maybe even more, since you've already done it so many times already.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Long time member here. Here's my easy fix: play more shows. Get rid of ga. Have some shows seniority based and others totally random. Four show limit per leg.
If they got rid of GA there would be even less tickets than there are now and less people would be able to experience being closer to the stage.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
What I don't get is is it my fault that I was too young in the 90s to go to shows and know about a fan club is why should a fan such as my self not that the same chance at tickets that someone that has been a member since day 1, I'm 28 years old I've been a fan since the start I just didn't have parents that would take me to shows as a child etc..
I also wasn't aware of the fan club for whatever reason till later on
But I've been a member now atleast 6 to 7 years I first saw them in 06 and have seen them 13 times since with my girlfriend who is also a big fan
We have never been within the first 5 rows, we won ga tickets this time around and finally have that chance and are traveling from Brooklyn ny to 4 dates on this tour
You might not say you are spoiled but thinking you are entitled to anything no matter how much money you put into the band makes you come off spoiled, as someone else said this is one of the most equal ways to do things, no one should be more entitled to a ticket
Seniority still matters because I don't even try for seats anymore because I know my number won't do me justice with reserved so Seniority gets you that advantage that you will have a great seat or ga
People with seniority and think they deserve more don't give a shit about you though. They only care about what they can get for themselves.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
But each member gets a pair. An individual member can't have more than one pair for a show. I personally think it's completely reasonable for a couple to both have a membership and both get an equal shot at a pair of tix. One membership fee = one equal chance. If that weren't the case, then wtf is one half of that couple paying for a membership for?? They're married or dating, not fused into one person. They have a right to their own membership benefits and to each take a friend or family member if they want to.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
You know , I have re-thought seniority and believe it should be included in accessing tickets. If someone has given PJ directly over $20,000 over the years for tix/merch and been a member since 1998, they do deserve a 10c ticket over a fan who just became a member this year so they could get a fan club ticket.
So if spent 20.000 in a year...did i cover the years i wasnt a member?? we pay membership per year...means this year all members are the same for score tix.. the system of senority is just fine if they make categories at fans privelege then fans they never played near their area should get a refound and charge less than others..
The $20 gets you access to the fan club benefits for that year. I agree. There is no rule though that says the fan club can't change the ticket allocations to include a weighting for seniority. It won't ever happen though. I'm sorry that I believe that seniority should get some perk, and seniority has now been marginalized to half of the available tickets, and wing seats. Still a benefit but not as much.
I'm not mad that other fans got tickets. I don't want them not to get tickets. But I just think that seniority should be extended to accessing tickets now that demand is much greater than supply. Times have changed, the seniority rules can change too. If they don't, I'll continue to buy tickets from Tickemaster.
But each member gets a pair. An individual member can't have more than one pair for a show. I personally think it's completely reasonable for a couple to both have a membership and both get an equal shot at a pair of tix. One membership fee = one equal chance. If that weren't the case, then wtf is one half of that couple paying for a membership for?? They're married or dating, not fused into one person. They have a right to their own membership benefits and to each take a friend or family member if they want to.
I don't think the person is mad about a couple who are both PJ fans. I think the person is mad at the person who signs up their spouse who doesn't care about PJ and won't go to the show, along with their kids who also won't attend the show, to help increase their chances for getting tickets (and then trading their extras for other cities).
I'd gladly pay $200 a year to get 10 different draws at the lottery.
yes, legit fans as couples with memberships is one thing.
I have a feeling though, id be willing to wager that a lot of these family members' memberships were not consummated or necessary until this lottery was established.
You know, I have re-thought seniority and believe it should be included in accessing tickets. If someone has given PJ directly over $20,000 over the years for tix/merch and been a member since 1998, they do deserve a 10c ticket over a fan who just became a member this year so they could get a fan club ticket.
So what would the newer fans be paying membership fees for? No one would join and tons would drop the club if this happened. Can't think of a worse financial or marketing tactic for Pearl Jam, driving away new fans and filling all the best seats and the entire pit at their rock concerts with old people, lol.
I understand your point. If a company has sports tickets to hand out they are likely to go either to the long-time, high fee client or the new client/prospect. You can't ignore new clients or fan club members.
I feel that I have proven over a 16 year period that I am a loyal fan by seeing 76 shows with an average distance from my home of 400 miles per show, along with buying 100's of shirts, posters, vinyl, boots, etc... I feel like I deserve a better shot at tickets than someone who joined in 2013, who may never see another show.
I am not asking that I get every show I want, but I feel like I deserve better than getting my only ticket as my 10th f'n priority draw.
Some argue that folks who see a lot of shows are spoiled. Who deserves a ticket more, someone who travels the world to see them regardless of where they go, or the fan that is only willing to see them when convenient?
Again, we are talking fan club tickets here. I feel like those that are willing to go great lengths to see a show deserve them more than the crowd who will see a show if only in their backyard. I get that some can't afford to travel, but a lot is based on choice and priorities
You're making a lot of assumptions about new members. Why do you assume that someone who is new to the fan club aren't just as in love with the band as you are? I only joined at the beginning of 2012, but I can assure you that I'm every bit as much of a fan as you are, and while I have been a fan since '91, I know there are plenty of people just as passionate about this band who only discovered them in more recent years.... so why should I be given a tougher time to see them than you, when I'm paying the same membership fees as you? Just because you have been LUCKY enough to have traveled extensively over the years to see the band doesn't mean you are more deserving of enjoying the band now. Shouldn't other people get to experience the joy that you have been fortunate enough to experience over and over and over and over and over and over again? Also, a huge number of people haven't been "unwilling" to see the band in all different places. The majority of people simply can't afford to do that, either monetarily or otherwise. Those people still deserve to enjoy the shows, every bit as much as you do.... maybe even more, since you've already done it so many times already.
Seniority has always played a factor in seating assignment. So there is precedent that seniority can apply. I'm just making the argument they should extend it to getting the tickets. I don't think they will, so don't worry.
yes, legit fans as couples with memberships is one thing.
I have a feeling though, id be willing to wager that a lot of these family members' memberships were not consummated or necessary until this lottery was established.
Might be true, but I'm sure that family members got on separate computers and tried for multiple tickets back in the day.
No way my wife would stand a prayer in F5-land. You had to be invested and focused to succeed. Even a few fan-friends of mine with memberships would call me at like 1:05 and tell me they lost, while I was still grinding on the "Temporarily Out of Stock" train.
You know, I have re-thought seniority and believe it should be included in accessing tickets. If someone has given PJ directly over $20,000 over the years for tix/merch and been a member since 1998, they do deserve a 10c ticket over a fan who just became a member this year so they could get a fan club ticket.
So what would the newer fans be paying membership fees for? No one would join and tons would drop the club if this happened. Can't think of a worse financial or marketing tactic for Pearl Jam, driving away new fans and filling all the best seats and the entire pit at their rock concerts with old people, lol.
I understand your point. If a company has sports tickets to hand out they are likely to go either to the long-time, high fee client or the new client/prospect. You can't ignore new clients or fan club members.
I feel that I have proven over a 16 year period that I am a loyal fan by seeing 76 shows with an average distance from my home of 400 miles per show, along with buying 100's of shirts, posters, vinyl, boots, etc... I feel like I deserve a better shot at tickets than someone who joined in 2013, who may never see another show.
I am not asking that I get every show I want, but I feel like I deserve better than getting my only ticket as my 10th f'n priority draw.
Some argue that folks who see a lot of shows are spoiled. Who deserves a ticket more, someone who travels the world to see them regardless of where they go, or the fan that is only willing to see them when convenient?
Again, we are talking fan club tickets here. I feel like those that are willing to go great lengths to see a show deserve them more than the crowd who will see a show if only in their backyard. I get that some can't afford to travel, but a lot is based on choice and priorities
You're making a lot of assumptions about new members. Why do you assume that someone who is new to the fan club aren't just as in love with the band as you are? I only joined at the beginning of 2012, but I can assure you that I'm every bit as much of a fan as you are, and while I have been a fan since '91, I know there are plenty of people just as passionate about this band who only discovered them in more recent years.... so why should I be given a tougher time to see them than you, when I'm paying the same membership fees as you? Just because you have been LUCKY enough to have traveled extensively over the years to see the band doesn't mean you are more deserving of enjoying the band now. Shouldn't other people get to experience the joy that you have been fortunate enough to experience over and over and over and over and over and over again? Also, a huge number of people haven't been "unwilling" to see the band in all different places. The majority of people simply can't afford to do that, either monetarily or otherwise. Those people still deserve to enjoy the shows, every bit as much as you do.... maybe even more, since you've already done it so many times already.
Seniority has always played a factor in seating assignment. So there is precedent that seniority can apply. I'm just making the argument they should extend it to getting the tickets. I don't think they will, so don't worry.
Seating assignment, sure. But it's never been a factor in who gets tickets at all.... Anyway, yeah, sorry. The opinion that people with seniority deserve tix more than those with less seniority is one outlook that kind of boils my blood, as I'm sure you've noticed, lol. And you're right. It will NEVER happen. Just the fact that people think this is something that ought to happen really gets under my skin. I've tried to just stop and shut up, but it's been hard.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Guess I'll just sign up everyone in my household next year so I can have more ping pong balls in the kitty (like others have done with their spouses, etc.)...why the F- does it matter anymore? Maybe I'm 10 rows further back; but still ahead of the public.
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I don't like the lottery. I understand what the 10C is trying to do in being 'fair' so that newbies can get great seats too. But perhaps have lotteries at select shows, not all shows. Been a member since 1996 and this is the first damn time I have never been able to get tickets to a show I wanted from 10C, in my hometown of Detroit mind. That ain't right.
~*~Me and Hippiemom dranketh the red wine in Cleveland 2003~*~
First PJ Show: March 20, 1994 | Ann Arbor | Crisler Arena
On the topic of couples we are one that each have an account and benefited from it this time around, we are both huge fans and my girlfriend wants nothing more than to be on the rail atleast once
But anyone getting random family members to sign up wouldn't that be an issue on pick up day if this person that has no interest wins they still need to be the one to pick up the tickets
You know , I have re-thought seniority and believe it should be included in accessing tickets. If someone has given PJ directly over $20,000 over the years for tix/merch and been a member since 1998, they do deserve a 10c ticket over a fan who just became a member this year so they could get a fan club ticket.
So if spent 20.000 in a year...did i cover the years i wasnt a member?? we pay membership per year...means this year all members are the same for score tix.. the system of senority is just fine if they make categories at fans privelege then fans they never played near their area should get a refound and charge less than others..
The $20 gets you access to the fan club benefits for that year. I agree. There is no rule though that says the fan club can't change the ticket allocations to include a weighting for seniority. It won't ever happen though. I'm sorry that I believe that seniority should get some perk, and seniority has now been marginalized to half of the available tickets, and wing seats. Still a benefit but not as much.
I'm not mad that other fans got tickets. I don't want them not to get tickets. But I just think that seniority should be extended to accessing tickets now that demand is much greater than supply. Times have changed, the seniority rules can change too. If they don't, I'll continue to buy tickets from Tickemaster.
Seniority gets exactly what deserves the benefit of get better seats than a younger member..and thats all...whem comes.tk benefit of scoring tix..all members must have the same chances at europe we had all those years only ga shiws..seniority means nothing..they should charge less then to us..cos we dont use or have this benefit..same as south america..same as australia....thats why we pay ALL of us the same money per year..for have same previlage per year..any type of categorize fans is weong when come scoring fan club tickets..20$ membership all??all in the same backet for score tix..no matter when u join or where u coming from..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I don't like the lottery. I understand what the 10C is trying to do in being 'fair' so that newbies can get great seats too. But perhaps have lotteries at select shows, not all shows. Been a member since 1996 and this is the first damn time I have never been able to get tickets to a show I wanted from 10C, in my hometown of Detroit mind. That ain't right.
You've been a fan since 1996 and this is the first time you haven't been able to get tickets to a show you wanted? I'd say you have nothing to complain about then. That's a pretty good streak. That's 18 years. Consider yourself lucky. There are other ways to get tickets. It doesn't mean you can't go.
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we pay membership per year...means this year all members are the same for score tix..
the system of senority is just fine
if they make categories at fans privelege then fans they never played near their area should get a refound and charge less than others..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I'm not mad that other fans got tickets. I don't want them not to get tickets. But I just think that seniority should be extended to accessing tickets now that demand is much greater than supply. Times have changed, the seniority rules can change too. If they don't, I'll continue to buy tickets from Tickemaster.
I'd gladly pay $200 a year to get 10 different draws at the lottery.
I have a feeling though, id be willing to wager that a lot of these family members' memberships were not consummated or necessary until this lottery was established.
No way my wife would stand a prayer in F5-land. You had to be invested and focused to succeed. Even a few fan-friends of mine with memberships would call me at like 1:05 and tell me they lost, while I was still grinding on the "Temporarily Out of Stock" train.
Im not an advocate of F5 though, anyways.
6/26+27/98, 10/8/00 (IB), 6/21/03, 9/3+4/11 (PJ20) - East Troy
6/29/98, 10/9/00, 6/18/03, 5/16+17/06, 8/23+24/09, 8/20+22/16, 8/18+20/18, 8/29+31/24 - Chicago
6/6/03 - Las Vegas
10/5/04, 9/18/22 - St. Louis
6/29/06, 10/20/14 - Milwaukee
11/19/13 - Phoenix
4/26/16 - Lexington
First PJ Show: March 20, 1994 | Ann Arbor | Crisler Arena
But anyone getting random family members to sign up wouldn't that be an issue on pick up day if this person that has no interest wins they still need to be the one to pick up the tickets
the benefit of get better seats than a younger member..and thats all...whem comes.tk benefit of scoring tix..all members must have the same chances
at europe we had all those years only ga shiws..seniority means nothing..they should charge less then to us..cos we dont use or have this benefit..same as south america..same as australia....thats why we pay ALL of us the same money per year..for have same previlage per year..any type of categorize fans is weong when come scoring fan club tickets..20$ membership all??all in the same backet for score tix..no matter when u join or where u coming from..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self