botched execution in oklahoma...

oysterjar said:

Cosmo said:

chadwick said:

i'd like to see a credible list of folks who were put to death & later proven innocent

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To me... personally... I believe that prison life is a horrible life and that is a good place to keep the convicted. Keep them away from the rest of us.
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That's all.

The killing of the innocent is what gets me about capital punishment.

I know prison isn't club med buts its a lot easier then most military members have it. If they are to spend time it should be in a way that compensates the tax payers. Real fucking labor for the betterment of the world. Getting to bed for four hours with bloody blistered hands just to get up and reopen them the next day. None of this uncivilized hard labor B.S. Real Hard Work and too exhausted to run away kind of work.

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It depends on the prison. If you have been embezzling funds from the bank you work at... you are not going to be sent to the same place where street gang assassins are kept.
I don't know about everyone else, but, I am talking about the worst criminals. Places like Pelican Bay or San Quentin's solitary units are NOT places you want those inmate to have access to the heavy tools required to do hard labor. They are in those places because they can make a stabbing weapon from a toothbrush and know where your kidneys so they can punch 5 or 6 holes in them.
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As for the 22 year old who sold some weed to an undercover cop in Little Rock, AR... I don't think he deserves laboring away in a chain gang. If he knowingly broke Arkansas law, take away his freedom for a while and make him understand that he has to do what he is told... including when he can eat and when he has to go to sleep. But, not for the rest of his life.

Let me add...
I am NOT trying to pursuade anyone to believe as I do. I am just expressing my personal viewpoint.
I understand that others have varying viewpoint and respect those opinions, even though I may not agree with them. It is all in how we perceive things and I know that no one see the world from my viewpoint... from this side of my skin.
And trust me... i completely understand both sides of the Death Penalty debate. Some of the people out there do things to other people... that I cannot come close to understanding. I just know that those people should be kept away from us... either by concertina wire topped walls or lethal injection. It's just that there are so many of us... and we all cannot agree on what is the best method.

JimmyV said:

callen said:

cjzoly said:

Lead, Gunpowder and Brass...I don't think there is a shortage of those items and not near as costly either...Problem solved...

So let's do some public executions. Stonings as well. Hell lottery tickets to help participate. Pay per view.

Do we not see how ironic it is we shake our heads in disgust at what happens in fundamentalist Muslim countries but have no problem saying. "He'll let me pull the switch or just use firing squad".

Do we not realize that the rest of the civilized western world looks at us as we do at others.

I know we don't care what others think but in this case it's good to look at the US through others eyes.

We have to rise above our need for vengeance using barbaric means as this case clearly demonstrates. See how I tied it back to the topic.

It doesn't matter how many murderers are put to death in the U.S., I will always shake my head at comparisons with fundament Muslim countries. When women here are being buried to their waists and publicly stoned for the crime of adultery...ADULTERY...only then would the comparison be valid.

It is one thing to be disgusted by these crimes and to call for swift, violent justice. It is quite another when the system breaks down and allows it to happen. The system in Oklahoma broke down. As disgusting as the results were, that is what happened. Let us not pretend the reason this happened was because anyone wanted a violent, public execution. No matter how strong that sentiment might be it is not the designed result of the system we have in place.

*thumbs-up*

JimmyV said:

callen said:

cjzoly said:

Lead, Gunpowder and Brass...I don't think there is a shortage of those items and not near as costly either...Problem solved...

So let's do some public executions. Stonings as well. Hell lottery tickets to help participate. Pay per view.

Do we not see how ironic it is we shake our heads in disgust at what happens in fundamentalist Muslim countries but have no problem saying. "He'll let me pull the switch or just use firing squad".

Do we not realize that the rest of the civilized western world looks at us as we do at others.

I know we don't care what others think but in this case it's good to look at the US through others eyes.

We have to rise above our need for vengeance using barbaric means as this case clearly demonstrates. See how I tied it back to the topic.

It doesn't matter how many murderers are put to death in the U.S., I will always shake my head at comparisons with fundament Muslim countries. When women here are being buried to their waists and publicly stoned for the crime of adultery...ADULTERY...only then would the comparison be valid.

It is one thing to be disgusted by these crimes and to call for swift, violent justice. It is quite another when the system breaks down and allows it to happen. The system in Oklahoma broke down. As disgusting as the results were, that is what happened. Let us not pretend the reason this happened was because anyone wanted a violent, public execution. No matter how strong that sentiment might be it is not the designed result of the system we have in place.

I still have a really hard time getting my head around the fact that they couldn't produce a drug to do the job efficiently. How hard would it be to administer a strong sedative followed by a lethal dose of something they know would work?

It's as if Homer Simpson and Barney were handling the operation.

apparently ... they denied this guy his last meal ... $15 ...

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

callen said:

cjzoly said:

Lead, Gunpowder and Brass...I don't think there is a shortage of those items and not near as costly either...Problem solved...

So let's do some public executions. Stonings as well. Hell lottery tickets to help participate. Pay per view.

Do we not see how ironic it is we shake our heads in disgust at what happens in fundamentalist Muslim countries but have no problem saying. "He'll let me pull the switch or just use firing squad".

Do we not realize that the rest of the civilized western world looks at us as we do at others.

I know we don't care what others think but in this case it's good to look at the US through others eyes.

We have to rise above our need for vengeance using barbaric means as this case clearly demonstrates. See how I tied it back to the topic.

I would say people need to rise above their need to rape and murder women and children.

The opponents of the DP almost always suggest that proponents are acting from emotion with vengeance in mind- that they need to be impartial. Well... what is impartial justice for such a horrific crime? What is a fair punishment for raping and murdering an infant like the idiot that was spared his execution following the debacle? If you are telling me that a fair punishment is, say, 30 years behind bars... I would say to you that it is not I that is being impartial.

It's not 'playing God' deciding who lives and who dies... it's dealing with what's been shoved down our throats in a manner befitting of the crime. These executions- even this horrific one- are infinitely more merciful than the crimes these people have committed: they are not gagged, raped, and tortured to death.

Okay Thirty was trying to keep this related to thread topic but........

We can't control criminals actions but we can control ours. Society should rise above killing. Killing is wrong. Yeah we're going round and round.

Injecting person with poison/killing has no benefits but deteriorating our society. See got thread topic in again.

callen said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

callen said:

cjzoly said:

Lead, Gunpowder and Brass...I don't think there is a shortage of those items and not near as costly either...Problem solved...

So let's do some public executions. Stonings as well. Hell lottery tickets to help participate. Pay per view.

Do we not see how ironic it is we shake our heads in disgust at what happens in fundamentalist Muslim countries but have no problem saying. "He'll let me pull the switch or just use firing squad".

Do we not realize that the rest of the civilized western world looks at us as we do at others.

I know we don't care what others think but in this case it's good to look at the US through others eyes.

We have to rise above our need for vengeance using barbaric means as this case clearly demonstrates. See how I tied it back to the topic.

I would say people need to rise above their need to rape and murder women and children.

The opponents of the DP almost always suggest that proponents are acting from emotion with vengeance in mind- that they need to be impartial. Well... what is impartial justice for such a horrific crime? What is a fair punishment for raping and murdering an infant like the idiot that was spared his execution following the debacle? If you are telling me that a fair punishment is, say, 30 years behind bars... I would say to you that it is not I that is being impartial.

It's not 'playing God' deciding who lives and who dies... it's dealing with what's been shoved down our throats in a manner befitting of the crime. These executions- even this horrific one- are infinitely more merciful than the crimes these people have committed: they are not gagged, raped, and tortured to death.

Okay Thirty was trying to keep this related to thread topic but........

We can't control criminals actions but we can control ours. Society should rise above killing. Killing is wrong. Yeah we're going round and round.

Injecting person with poison/killing has no benefits but deteriorating our society. See got thread topic in again.

Injecting people with poison has the benefit of removing dangerous people from our midst. Some would argue that it actually improves our society.

There... two sides presented.

Back to the thread.