botched execution in oklahoma...

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    JimmyV said:

    callen said:

    cjzoly said:

    Lead, Gunpowder and Brass...I don't think there is a shortage of those items and not near as costly either...Problem solved...

    So let's do some public executions. Stonings as well. Hell lottery tickets to help participate. Pay per view.

    Do we not see how ironic it is we shake our heads in disgust at what happens in fundamentalist Muslim countries but have no problem saying. "He'll let me pull the switch or just use firing squad".

    Do we not realize that the rest of the civilized western world looks at us as we do at others.

    I know we don't care what others think but in this case it's good to look at the US through others eyes.

    We have to rise above our need for vengeance using barbaric means as this case clearly demonstrates. See how I tied it back to the topic. ;)
    It doesn't matter how many murderers are put to death in the U.S., I will always shake my head at comparisons with fundament Muslim countries. When women here are being buried to their waists and publicly stoned for the crime of adultery...ADULTERY...only then would the comparison be valid.

    It is one thing to be disgusted by these crimes and to call for swift, violent justice. It is quite another when the system breaks down and allows it to happen. The system in Oklahoma broke down. As disgusting as the results were, that is what happened. Let us not pretend the reason this happened was because anyone wanted a violent, public execution. No matter how strong that sentiment might be it is not the designed result of the system we have in place.
    *thumbs-up*

  • callencallen Posts: 6,388

    oysterjar said:

    Cosmo said:

    chadwick said:

    i'd like to see a credible list of folks who were put to death & later proven innocent

    ...

    To me... personally... I believe that prison life is a horrible life and that is a good place to keep the convicted. Keep them away from the rest of us.
    ...
    That's all.
    The killing of the innocent is what gets me about capital punishment.

    I know prison isn't club med buts its a lot easier then most military members have it. If they are to spend time it should be in a way that compensates the tax payers. Real fucking labor for the betterment of the world. Getting to bed for four hours with bloody blistered hands just to get up and reopen them the next day. None of this uncivilized hard labor B.S. Real Hard Work and too exhausted to run away kind of work.

    with the apeales process and DNA evedience wrongfully convicted persons are being released all the time, it's not perfect but it is getting better.


    Godfather.

    JimmyV said:

    callen said:

    cjzoly said:

    Lead, Gunpowder and Brass...I don't think there is a shortage of those items and not near as costly either...Problem solved...

    So let's do some public executions. Stonings as well. Hell lottery tickets to help participate. Pay per view.

    Do we not see how ironic it is we shake our heads in disgust at what happens in fundamentalist Muslim countries but have no problem saying. "He'll let me pull the switch or just use firing squad".

    Do we not realize that the rest of the civilized western world looks at us as we do at others.

    I know we don't care what others think but in this case it's good to look at the US through others eyes.

    We have to rise above our need for vengeance using barbaric means as this case clearly demonstrates. See how I tied it back to the topic. ;)
    It doesn't matter how many murderers are put to death in the U.S., I will always shake my head at comparisons with fundament Muslim countries. When women here are being buried to their waists and publicly stoned for the crime of adultery...ADULTERY...only then would the comparison be valid.

    It is one thing to be disgusted by these crimes and to call for swift, violent justice. It is quite another when the system breaks down and allows it to happen. The system in Oklahoma broke down. As disgusting as the results were, that is what happened. Let us not pretend the reason this happened was because anyone wanted a violent, public execution. No matter how strong that sentiment might be it is not the designed result of the system we have in place.
    Yes they stone and for lessor offenses but the comparison remains. When we have people shouting, "shoot them, firing squad, hang em like the good ole days, we 're not much different."

    And again to many we are indeed the same. Very few countries still execute. We are one.

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  • JimmyV said:

    callen said:

    cjzoly said:

    Lead, Gunpowder and Brass...I don't think there is a shortage of those items and not near as costly either...Problem solved...

    So let's do some public executions. Stonings as well. Hell lottery tickets to help participate. Pay per view.

    Do we not see how ironic it is we shake our heads in disgust at what happens in fundamentalist Muslim countries but have no problem saying. "He'll let me pull the switch or just use firing squad".

    Do we not realize that the rest of the civilized western world looks at us as we do at others.

    I know we don't care what others think but in this case it's good to look at the US through others eyes.

    We have to rise above our need for vengeance using barbaric means as this case clearly demonstrates. See how I tied it back to the topic. ;)
    It doesn't matter how many murderers are put to death in the U.S., I will always shake my head at comparisons with fundament Muslim countries. When women here are being buried to their waists and publicly stoned for the crime of adultery...ADULTERY...only then would the comparison be valid.

    It is one thing to be disgusted by these crimes and to call for swift, violent justice. It is quite another when the system breaks down and allows it to happen. The system in Oklahoma broke down. As disgusting as the results were, that is what happened. Let us not pretend the reason this happened was because anyone wanted a violent, public execution. No matter how strong that sentiment might be it is not the designed result of the system we have in place.
    I still have a really hard time getting my head around the fact that they couldn't produce a drug to do the job efficiently. How hard would it be to administer a strong sedative followed by a lethal dose of something they know would work?

    It's as if Homer Simpson and Barney were handling the operation.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • callen said:

    cjzoly said:

    Lead, Gunpowder and Brass...I don't think there is a shortage of those items and not near as costly either...Problem solved...

    So let's do some public executions. Stonings as well. Hell lottery tickets to help participate. Pay per view.

    Do we not see how ironic it is we shake our heads in disgust at what happens in fundamentalist Muslim countries but have no problem saying. "He'll let me pull the switch or just use firing squad".

    Do we not realize that the rest of the civilized western world looks at us as we do at others.

    I know we don't care what others think but in this case it's good to look at the US through others eyes.

    We have to rise above our need for vengeance using barbaric means as this case clearly demonstrates. See how I tied it back to the topic. ;)
    I would say people need to rise above their need to rape and murder women and children.

    The opponents of the DP almost always suggest that proponents are acting from emotion with vengeance in mind- that they need to be impartial. Well... what is impartial justice for such a horrific crime? What is a fair punishment for raping and murdering an infant like the idiot that was spared his execution following the debacle? If you are telling me that a fair punishment is, say, 30 years behind bars... I would say to you that it is not I that is being impartial.

    It's not 'playing God' deciding who lives and who dies... it's dealing with what's been shoved down our throats in a manner befitting of the crime. These executions- even this horrific one- are infinitely more merciful than the crimes these people have committed: they are not gagged, raped, and tortured to death.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    apparently ... they denied this guy his last meal ... $15 ...
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    edited May 2014
    I'm sure it's been stated before, I have not read all 4 pages of this thread. I personally don't give a fuck that the dude suffered. I'm glad he did. Did he kill that girl in a manner that was humane? No, he did not. Fuck that guy. Burn in whatever hell he believed in. He deserved every ounce of suffering he got after sitting comfortably in prison for 10 years.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388

    callen said:

    cjzoly said:

    Lead, Gunpowder and Brass...I don't think there is a shortage of those items and not near as costly either...Problem solved...

    So let's do some public executions. Stonings as well. Hell lottery tickets to help participate. Pay per view.

    Do we not see how ironic it is we shake our heads in disgust at what happens in fundamentalist Muslim countries but have no problem saying. "He'll let me pull the switch or just use firing squad".

    Do we not realize that the rest of the civilized western world looks at us as we do at others.

    I know we don't care what others think but in this case it's good to look at the US through others eyes.

    We have to rise above our need for vengeance using barbaric means as this case clearly demonstrates. See how I tied it back to the topic. ;)
    I would say people need to rise above their need to rape and murder women and children.

    The opponents of the DP almost always suggest that proponents are acting from emotion with vengeance in mind- that they need to be impartial. Well... what is impartial justice for such a horrific crime? What is a fair punishment for raping and murdering an infant like the idiot that was spared his execution following the debacle? If you are telling me that a fair punishment is, say, 30 years behind bars... I would say to you that it is not I that is being impartial.

    It's not 'playing God' deciding who lives and who dies... it's dealing with what's been shoved down our throats in a manner befitting of the crime. These executions- even this horrific one- are infinitely more merciful than the crimes these people have committed: they are not gagged, raped, and tortured to death.
    Okay Thirty was trying to keep this related to thread topic but........ :)

    We can't control criminals actions but we can control ours. Society should rise above killing. Killing is wrong. Yeah we're going round and round.

    Injecting person with poison/killing has no benefits but deteriorating our society. See got thread topic in again. :D
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    callen said:

    cjzoly said:

    Lead, Gunpowder and Brass...I don't think there is a shortage of those items and not near as costly either...Problem solved...

    So let's do some public executions. Stonings as well. Hell lottery tickets to help participate. Pay per view.

    Do we not see how ironic it is we shake our heads in disgust at what happens in fundamentalist Muslim countries but have no problem saying. "He'll let me pull the switch or just use firing squad".

    Do we not realize that the rest of the civilized western world looks at us as we do at others.

    I know we don't care what others think but in this case it's good to look at the US through others eyes.

    We have to rise above our need for vengeance using barbaric means as this case clearly demonstrates. See how I tied it back to the topic. ;)

    Callen as much as I like the gun powder brass and led idea I do agree with you but I also think the media is as much to blame for how the world see's us...and each other


    Godfather..

  • callen said:

    callen said:

    cjzoly said:

    Lead, Gunpowder and Brass...I don't think there is a shortage of those items and not near as costly either...Problem solved...

    So let's do some public executions. Stonings as well. Hell lottery tickets to help participate. Pay per view.

    Do we not see how ironic it is we shake our heads in disgust at what happens in fundamentalist Muslim countries but have no problem saying. "He'll let me pull the switch or just use firing squad".

    Do we not realize that the rest of the civilized western world looks at us as we do at others.

    I know we don't care what others think but in this case it's good to look at the US through others eyes.

    We have to rise above our need for vengeance using barbaric means as this case clearly demonstrates. See how I tied it back to the topic. ;)
    I would say people need to rise above their need to rape and murder women and children.

    The opponents of the DP almost always suggest that proponents are acting from emotion with vengeance in mind- that they need to be impartial. Well... what is impartial justice for such a horrific crime? What is a fair punishment for raping and murdering an infant like the idiot that was spared his execution following the debacle? If you are telling me that a fair punishment is, say, 30 years behind bars... I would say to you that it is not I that is being impartial.

    It's not 'playing God' deciding who lives and who dies... it's dealing with what's been shoved down our throats in a manner befitting of the crime. These executions- even this horrific one- are infinitely more merciful than the crimes these people have committed: they are not gagged, raped, and tortured to death.
    Okay Thirty was trying to keep this related to thread topic but........ :)

    We can't control criminals actions but we can control ours. Society should rise above killing. Killing is wrong. Yeah we're going round and round.

    Injecting person with poison/killing has no benefits but deteriorating our society. See got thread topic in again. :D
    Injecting people with poison has the benefit of removing dangerous people from our midst. Some would argue that it actually improves our society.

    There... two sides presented.

    Back to the thread.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    edited May 2014

    I'm sure it's been stated before, I have not read all 4 pages of this thread. I personally don't give a fuck that the dude suffered. I'm glad he did. Did he kill that girl in a manner that was humane? No, he did not. Fuck that guy. Burn in whatever hell he believed in. He deserved every ounce of suffering he got after sitting comfortably in prison for 10 years.

    have we met before, like, not in person but on here? oh yes... last 12 exit, of course.

    this guy is good. open your fax machine, i just sent you a bottle of wine

    be well, sir
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    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    & thirty bills,
    this guy kicks ass too

    & godfather has stated some pretty good stuff where i'm not pulling my nose hairs out with pliers
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    polaris_x said:

    apparently ... they denied this guy his last meal ... $15 ...

    got a link?
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,168
    edited May 2014
    I am of two minds on the last meal thing. On one hand, a last meal of his choosing is just one more comfort that this guy did not deserve. On the other, it is also another breakdown in standard operating procedure during an execution that was thoroughly botched.

    I won't lose any sleep because this guy didn't get his last meal, but it does raise one more question about the conduct of those charged with carrying out his sentence.
    Post edited by JimmyV on
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    chadwick said:

    polaris_x said:

    apparently ... they denied this guy his last meal ... $15 ...

    got a link?
    Ye olde Google search - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/29/oklahoma-executions-drugs-lethal-injection/8476389/

    "Lockett's request of steak, shrimp, a large baked potato and a Kentucky bourbon pecan pie was denied because it exceeded the $15 limit, and he declined a separate offer from the warden for a dinner from Western Sizzlin, prison officials said."

    I guess Western Sizzlin is no good? Anyway, I'm not boo-hooing at this aspect.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,168
    I stand corrected. It doesn't really raise another question about their conduct. If the rule is $15 they were under no obligation to make an exception simply because the condemned had champaign tastes.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388

    callen said:

    callen said:

    cjzoly said:

    Lead, Gunpowder and Brass...I don't think there is a shortage of those items and not near as costly either...Problem solved...

    So let's do some public executions. Stonings as well. Hell lottery tickets to help participate. Pay per view.

    Do we not see how ironic it is we shake our heads in disgust at what happens in fundamentalist Muslim countries but have no problem saying. "He'll let me pull the switch or just use firing squad".

    Do we not realize that the rest of the civilized western world looks at us as we do at others.

    I know we don't care what others think but in this case it's good to look at the US through others eyes.

    We have to rise above our need for vengeance using barbaric means as this case clearly demonstrates. See how I tied it back to the topic. ;)
    I would say people need to rise above their need to rape and murder women and children.

    The opponents of the DP almost always suggest that proponents are acting from emotion with vengeance in mind- that they need to be impartial. Well... what is impartial justice for such a horrific crime? What is a fair punishment for raping and murdering an infant like the idiot that was spared his execution following the debacle? If you are telling me that a fair punishment is, say, 30 years behind bars... I would say to you that it is not I that is being impartial.

    It's not 'playing God' deciding who lives and who dies... it's dealing with what's been shoved down our throats in a manner befitting of the crime. These executions- even this horrific one- are infinitely more merciful than the crimes these people have committed: they are not gagged, raped, and tortured to death.
    Okay Thirty was trying to keep this related to thread topic but........ :)

    We can't control criminals actions but we can control ours. Society should rise above killing. Killing is wrong. Yeah we're going round and round.

    Injecting person with poison/killing has no benefits but deteriorating our society. See got thread topic in again. :D
    Injecting people with poison has the benefit of removing dangerous people from our midst. Some would argue that it actually improves our society.

    There... two sides presented.

    Back to the thread.
    Two sides presented huh? Think you were just shooting for the last word. :D:D
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,948
    edited May 2014
    Well, the rest of the Western world is well aware that the USA is the only first world country that still executes its prisoners, and continues to have by far the highest murder rate. The only countries in the whole world that executed more people that the USA did in 2012 were China, Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. Yemen and Sudan had less than the USA. Su-fucking-dan! Do Americans really want to be leaders on that list, grouped with those nations?? Only 21 countries in the world carried out any executions in 2012. 21 out of 196. And look at the other 20 countries. Mostly nations defined by totalitarianism and/or civil war and governments run by religious fanatics. Why is it that so many Americans think, especially in the face of their murder stats, they have a good system going?? I just don't get it.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • callen said:

    callen said:

    callen said:

    cjzoly said:

    Lead, Gunpowder and Brass...I don't think there is a shortage of those items and not near as costly either...Problem solved...

    So let's do some public executions. Stonings as well. Hell lottery tickets to help participate. Pay per view.

    Do we not see how ironic it is we shake our heads in disgust at what happens in fundamentalist Muslim countries but have no problem saying. "He'll let me pull the switch or just use firing squad".

    Do we not realize that the rest of the civilized western world looks at us as we do at others.

    I know we don't care what others think but in this case it's good to look at the US through others eyes.

    We have to rise above our need for vengeance using barbaric means as this case clearly demonstrates. See how I tied it back to the topic. ;)
    I would say people need to rise above their need to rape and murder women and children.

    The opponents of the DP almost always suggest that proponents are acting from emotion with vengeance in mind- that they need to be impartial. Well... what is impartial justice for such a horrific crime? What is a fair punishment for raping and murdering an infant like the idiot that was spared his execution following the debacle? If you are telling me that a fair punishment is, say, 30 years behind bars... I would say to you that it is not I that is being impartial.

    It's not 'playing God' deciding who lives and who dies... it's dealing with what's been shoved down our throats in a manner befitting of the crime. These executions- even this horrific one- are infinitely more merciful than the crimes these people have committed: they are not gagged, raped, and tortured to death.
    Okay Thirty was trying to keep this related to thread topic but........ :)

    We can't control criminals actions but we can control ours. Society should rise above killing. Killing is wrong. Yeah we're going round and round.

    Injecting person with poison/killing has no benefits but deteriorating our society. See got thread topic in again. :D
    Injecting people with poison has the benefit of removing dangerous people from our midst. Some would argue that it actually improves our society.

    There... two sides presented.

    Back to the thread.
    Two sides presented huh? Think you were just shooting for the last word. :D:D
    :))

    No... I just can't shut up sometimes.

    Wolf mentioned he would like to see charges pressed over this incident. Is there a case that could be made against the people who pressed forward without allowing the process to completely take place prior to the execution?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    JimmyV said:

    callen said:

    cjzoly said:

    Lead, Gunpowder and Brass...I don't think there is a shortage of those items and not near as costly either...Problem solved...

    So let's do some public executions. Stonings as well. Hell lottery tickets to help participate. Pay per view.

    Do we not see how ironic it is we shake our heads in disgust at what happens in fundamentalist Muslim countries but have no problem saying. "He'll let me pull the switch or just use firing squad".

    Do we not realize that the rest of the civilized western world looks at us as we do at others.

    I know we don't care what others think but in this case it's good to look at the US through others eyes.

    We have to rise above our need for vengeance using barbaric means as this case clearly demonstrates. See how I tied it back to the topic. ;)
    It doesn't matter how many murderers are put to death in the U.S., I will always shake my head at comparisons with fundament Muslim countries. When women here are being buried to their waists and publicly stoned for the crime of adultery...ADULTERY...only then would the comparison be valid.

    It is one thing to be disgusted by these crimes and to call for swift, violent justice. It is quite another when the system breaks down and allows it to happen. The system in Oklahoma broke down. As disgusting as the results were, that is what happened. Let us not pretend the reason this happened was because anyone wanted a violent, public execution. No matter how strong that sentiment might be it is not the designed result of the system we have in place.
    I still have a really hard time getting my head around the fact that they couldn't produce a drug to do the job efficiently. How hard would it be to administer a strong sedative followed by a lethal dose of something they know would work?

    It's as if Homer Simpson and Barney were handling the operation.
    what crimes do we in the US execute for ? and how often does it happen, I would say compared to many other countries we are about as civil as it gets, we have a system in process that is ment to protect the "not guilty" and when a crime calls for the death penalty there is 1 to 10+ year process for apeles right ? we don't jail or execute for adultry.....although it has ruined a president and a few congressmen LOL!!!! so if you're waiting for Eden that wont happen right away....someday but not today. so until then we do the best we can as a nation and be greatful you're not jailed or exected for your opinion or having an affair, our system aint perfect but it's better than some. p.s it pisses me off sometimes but until it gets better I have to deal with it just like everybody else.

    Godfather.

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,948
    edited May 2014

    JimmyV said:

    callen said:

    cjzoly said:

    Lead, Gunpowder and Brass...I don't think there is a shortage of those items and not near as costly either...Problem solved...

    So let's do some public executions. Stonings as well. Hell lottery tickets to help participate. Pay per view.

    Do we not see how ironic it is we shake our heads in disgust at what happens in fundamentalist Muslim countries but have no problem saying. "He'll let me pull the switch or just use firing squad".

    Do we not realize that the rest of the civilized western world looks at us as we do at others.

    I know we don't care what others think but in this case it's good to look at the US through others eyes.

    We have to rise above our need for vengeance using barbaric means as this case clearly demonstrates. See how I tied it back to the topic. ;)
    It doesn't matter how many murderers are put to death in the U.S., I will always shake my head at comparisons with fundament Muslim countries. When women here are being buried to their waists and publicly stoned for the crime of adultery...ADULTERY...only then would the comparison be valid.

    It is one thing to be disgusted by these crimes and to call for swift, violent justice. It is quite another when the system breaks down and allows it to happen. The system in Oklahoma broke down. As disgusting as the results were, that is what happened. Let us not pretend the reason this happened was because anyone wanted a violent, public execution. No matter how strong that sentiment might be it is not the designed result of the system we have in place.
    I still have a really hard time getting my head around the fact that they couldn't produce a drug to do the job efficiently. How hard would it be to administer a strong sedative followed by a lethal dose of something they know would work?

    It's as if Homer Simpson and Barney were handling the operation.
    what crimes do we in the US execute for ? and how often does it happen, I would say compared to many other countries we are about as civil as it gets, we have a system in process that is ment to protect the "not guilty" and when a crime calls for the death penalty there is 1 to 10+ year process for apeles right ? we don't jail or execute for adultry.....although it has ruined a president and a few congressmen LOL!!!! so if you're waiting for Eden that wont happen right away....someday but not today. so until then we do the best we can as a nation and be greatful you're not jailed or exected for your opinion or having an affair, our system aint perfect but it's better than some. p.s it pisses me off sometimes but until it gets better I have to deal with it just like everybody else.

    Godfather.

    Off topic, but what President was ruined because of adultery?? Couldn't be Clinton - he was reelected and is one of America's most beloved ex-presidents, making more money for speaking engagements than any ex-president in history. ;)

    Do you really think that America is doing the best it can as a nation as far as the criminal justice system is concerned?? Or even putting forth its best efforts?
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    edited May 2014
    everyone in the US presses charges or wants to press charges & sue everyone. i right now am probably about to be sued by someone somewhere. if i lived on the west or east coast i would be in court all day today
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,168
    PJ_Soul said:



    Do you really think that America is doing the best it can as a nation as far as the criminal justice system is concerned?? Or even putting forth its best efforts?

    I don't....did anyone really say that they did?

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  • chadwick said:

    everyone in the US presses charges or wants to press charges & sue everyone. i right now am probably about to be sued by someone somewhere. if i lived on the west or east coast i would be in court all day today

    It's only a matter of time before a 10C member sues another for buying a Coke 10 with the intent to trade it on the Lost Dogs forum.

    We really like suing in Canada too. Did you read the recent thread about the woman who is suing the parents of the kid she ran over and killed?

    Suing is cool.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,948
    edited May 2014
    JimmyV said:

    PJ_Soul said:



    Do you really think that America is doing the best it can as a nation as far as the criminal justice system is concerned?? Or even putting forth its best efforts?

    I don't....did anyone really say that they did?

    Godfather suggested so. That's how it came off to me anyway.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,168
    PJ_Soul said:

    JimmyV said:

    PJ_Soul said:



    Do you really think that America is doing the best it can as a nation as far as the criminal justice system is concerned?? Or even putting forth its best efforts?

    I don't....did anyone really say that they did?

    Godfather suggested so. That's how it came off to me anyway.
    Ah, I see. When I first read your post it seemed to come from left field but reading back through I see where you were coming from.
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    i never opened that thread about whoever she is is suing the parents of the kid she ran over & killed. hopefully she is eaten by hungry house cats
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  • chadwick said:

    i never opened that thread about whoever she is is suing the parents of the kid she ran over & killed. hopefully she is eaten by hungry house cats

    Well... maybe don't. After reading it... you'll want to poke pins in your eyeballs.

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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    JimmyV said:

    I am of two minds on the last meal thing. On one hand, a last meal of his choosing is just one more comfort that this guy did not deserve. On the other, it is also another breakdown in standard operating procedure during an execution that was thoroughly botched.

    I won't lose any sleep because this guy didn't get his last meal, but it does raise one more question about the conduct of those charged with carrying out his sentence.

    Did he give his victim the opportunity to have a last meal?



  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    i wonder what the just response is to all these innocent people dying at the hands of US drones strikes?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,015

    JimmyV said:

    callen said:

    cjzoly said:

    Lead, Gunpowder and Brass...I don't think there is a shortage of those items and not near as costly either...Problem solved...

    So let's do some public executions. Stonings as well. Hell lottery tickets to help participate. Pay per view.

    Do we not see how ironic it is we shake our heads in disgust at what happens in fundamentalist Muslim countries but have no problem saying. "He'll let me pull the switch or just use firing squad".

    Do we not realize that the rest of the civilized western world looks at us as we do at others.

    I know we don't care what others think but in this case it's good to look at the US through others eyes.

    We have to rise above our need for vengeance using barbaric means as this case clearly demonstrates. See how I tied it back to the topic. ;)
    It doesn't matter how many murderers are put to death in the U.S., I will always shake my head at comparisons with fundament Muslim countries. When women here are being buried to their waists and publicly stoned for the crime of adultery...ADULTERY...only then would the comparison be valid.

    It is one thing to be disgusted by these crimes and to call for swift, violent justice. It is quite another when the system breaks down and allows it to happen. The system in Oklahoma broke down. As disgusting as the results were, that is what happened. Let us not pretend the reason this happened was because anyone wanted a violent, public execution. No matter how strong that sentiment might be it is not the designed result of the system we have in place.
    I still have a really hard time getting my head around the fact that they couldn't produce a drug to do the job efficiently. How hard would it be to administer a strong sedative followed by a lethal dose of something they know would work?

    It's as if Homer Simpson and Barney were handling the operation.
    Whoa there! Do you mean Barney the purple dinosaur, Barney Fife, Barney Rubble, Barney Miller or some other Barney? Depending on how you answer may determine whether I'm offended.

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