Hear the fans - Bring Pearl Jam To Israel

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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    rollandf said:

    Music is for people not governments

    And people elect governments....
  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,239
    Israel? Wtf are you all talking about. Jesus. And there'll be another moon landing soon too.
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • evilrona
    evilrona Tel Aviv, Israel Posts: 22
    Don't forget that the group (minus Eddie) played here with Neil Young few years ago. Neil Young is coming back now.. Chris Cornell was here twice and now coming back with soundgarden. So while Roger Waters spreads his hate speech towards Israel there are plenty of musicians who come and play here. I hope the group gets to hear other sides and stories from Israel and artists who have been here.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    evilrona said:

    Don't forget that the group (minus Eddie) played here with Neil Young few years ago. Neil Young is coming back now.. Chris Cornell was here twice and now coming back with soundgarden. So while Roger Waters spreads his hate speech towards Israel there are plenty of musicians who come and play here. I hope the group gets to hear other sides and stories from Israel and artists who have been here.

    If there's a side to the story that isn't being heard, I don't think it's Israel's.

    What part of Roger Waters' boycott constitutes "hate speech"? That's a pretty strong accusation to be throwing from Israel's glass house.

    Just because other musicians choose to play there, doesn't mean Pearl Jam should. If we use that logic, then I would argue that PJ should join the other 93 authors, film-makers, musicians and performers that have chosen to boycott Israel.
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    BS44325 said:

    CM189191 said:

    Dear Pearl Jam,

    Please boycott Israel.

    Thank you.

    That is exactly why playing in Israel requires courage. I hope the band ignores the likes of CM189191 but I'm just not sure that they are up to it.

    maybe someone needs to create a 'PJ please don't play in Israel' Facebook page and see how many votes it gets?
    -

    Was playing in South Africa during apartheid courageous? Nope, same thing with playing in Israel now, and history will not be kind towards the supporters of that racist state.



  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited February 2014
    rr165892 said:

    They shouldn't boycott shit.Play Isreal and play for the fans.If you don't like the politics,Dont mention them.Music transcends all that nonsense.You will attract many faiths and diverse backgrounds in Isreal.
    Like someone else said Soundgarden, Neil young are playing.(Cornell is 1/2 Jewish so I'm sure he Dosent have much issue as one side of his family has ties)
    I hate that some fans try To turn everything into a social statement.STFU and lets rock !!!!

    Shut up and sing, brilliant.....Ed is a friend of Natalie maines, I wonder how he feels about that approach to music?
    If you don't like the politics don't mention them? How about play there AND mention them? In solidarity with Palestine, from the stage in tel aviv? THAT would take some courage. I'd be curious how that would go over in "the only democracy (lol) in the Middle East"...
    Your next point, using the names of other artists that have performed there, is another reason I hope pj never plays there...I would hate to see pj used to promote an agenda of normalcy for an apartheid state.
    It's not the artists making israel a social statement, it's the occupation that makes a social statement inherent to the decision to play there or not.

    Israeli citizens have the ability to travel to see pj play in other countries. How does that work for Palestinians living under israeli control and illegal collective punishment?
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  • Damn! You are right. And you are right. And so are you! Fuck politics. Pearl jam isn't even a big political band. They made one political album, and eddie gets wasted on stage and mumbles some shit. Who f'n cares. If Pearl Jam played in Israel, does that influence or change my life? Fuck no. If they don't does it? Fuck no. Could they sell out to 20,000 plus and play for some fans? Of course. Stop arguing why they should or shouldn't. I hope they will and make 20,000 people have one of the greatest nights of their lives. Stop being so damn stubborn headed in your own opinions and argue why some fans shouldn't ever be able to see them. Get over yourselves, it's fucking music.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Damn! You are right. And you are right. And so are you! Fuck politics. Pearl jam isn't even a big political band. They made one political album, and eddie gets wasted on stage and mumbles some shit. Who f'n cares. If Pearl Jam played in Israel, does that influence or change my life? Fuck no. If they don't does it? Fuck no. Could they sell out to 20,000 plus and play for some fans? Of course. Stop arguing why they should or shouldn't. I hope they will and make 20,000 people have one of the greatest nights of their lives. Stop being so damn stubborn headed in your own opinions and argue why some fans shouldn't ever be able to see them. Get over yourselves, it's fucking music.
    Stop arguing why they should and shouldn't.....followed by your argument for why you think they should...so who needs toget over themselves?
    read the last paragraph of my last post, and talk to me again about arguing whether SOME fans shouldn't ever get to see them...?
    PS - it's about a lot more than music, to a lot of people.
    PPS - tone it down, bud, your tantrums impress no one.
  • Damn! You are right. And you are right. And so are you! Fuck politics. Pearl jam isn't even a big political band. They made one political album, and eddie gets wasted on stage and mumbles some shit. Who f'n cares. If Pearl Jam played in Israel, does that influence or change my life? Fuck no. If they don't does it? Fuck no. Could they sell out to 20,000 plus and play for some fans? Of course. Stop arguing why they should or shouldn't. I hope they will and make 20,000 people have one of the greatest nights of their lives. Stop being so damn stubborn headed in your own opinions and argue why some fans shouldn't ever be able to see them. Get over yourselves, it's fucking music.
    Stop arguing why they should and shouldn't.....followed by your argument for why you think they should...so who needs toget over themselves?
    read the last paragraph of my last post, and talk to me again about arguing whether SOME fans shouldn't ever get to see them...?
    PS - it's about a lot more than music, to a lot of people.
    PPS - tone it down, bud, your tantrums impress no one.


    I simply said I don't give a shit and neither should anyone else if they were to play Pearl Jam. It's constant people like you with your one way expressive I'm always right that this world is turning into the shitter. Do yourself a favor, whenever you type up whatever response you want to that's going to prove whatever point you feel the need to make, stop, don't hit send and go fuck yourself cause it's tiresome of hearing from the "I've got a point to make so I'm right assholes", respectably such as yourself.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited February 2014


    I simply said I don't give a shit and neither should anyone else if they were to play Pearl Jam. It's constant people like you with your one way expressive I'm always right that this world is turning into the shitter. Do yourself a favor, whenever you type up whatever response you want to that's going to prove whatever point you feel the need to make, stop, don't hit send and go fuck yourself cause it's tiresome of hearing from the "I've got a point to make so I'm right assholes", respectably such as yourself.

    Quoted for posterity ;)
    That's not simply what you said, at all....
    Sorry, but I don't think my opinion is any more important than the next guy's...which is why awareness is important...so thanks for the advice, but I won't shut up or go fuck myself at your request.
    Me? I think people shutting up and telling each other to go fuck themselves is what has the world 'turning into the shitter', not reasoned opinion.
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  • You should. Yes there are things that people should be vocal about, and things that aren't right in the world. Pearl Jam playing Israel for there fans there isn't one. Again, I say go fuck yourself and you are the reason the world is going down the shitter is because you interject your political opinion in a situation that there is no need for. You speak up self righteously on something that doesn't even matter or affect anyone's day but some people that would like to see them live for once. What does it matter to you? Why is it an issue? If Pearl Jam played Israel are you going to boycott them? Exactly, no your not. So let the band play where they want, if some people want them to play in Israel let them post, but don't be a fucking asshole and throw out your little view of the world and why they shouldn't. That's why it's douches like you ruining the world, you make an issue out of things that shouldn't be. So again, see my last post to you, and go fuck your opinionated ass and let fans request that the band they love play in there country.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Kinda ironic that your inability to discuss anything rationally is what will get this thread locked. I didn't start the political discussion....and I already explained why i don't think it should be ignored in the decision to play there....if you don't think it's a big deal or has no consequence, that's fine...your opinion.
    But who are you to tell me where and when I should share my opinions...while sharing your opinion of me? Seriously, it's laughable. You don't like me posting in this thread, report it to the mods, see how that goes for you.
  • You are hilarious. You responded to my first post. My first comment was directed at no one. I don't care what you post. I'm simply saying it's people like you taking issues to things that shouldn't be an issue are what's ruining the world. I laugh how you will constantly feel the need to reply. Even better is your rebuttal does not include an answer to the question. If Pearl Jam doesn't boycott Israel and plays there, will you boycott Pearl Jam? It's easy to attack the poster (remember, you replied to my post) and try and be clever than it is to address what the post is about. You have made my night better, I love hearing the reasonings of those that want to say something but say nothing. My rational discussion = who cares if they played Israel? If you are against it, will you boycott spending any money in the future on seeing them, buying a bootleg, a poster, ect? If you are for them boycotting a place that you feel strongly about, will stand by your convictions and do to them as you want them to do?
  • Israelian pj fans deserve to see a show in their country same as the rest of the fans everywhere on the planet..its so simple..
    and from the moment there is no official statement from the band 's side that they officially boycott Israel,and thats the reason they dont play in Israel then fans has every right to ask and dream for that that one day will happen,
    and if pj want to offically boycott Israel,then should stop selling records,merch and accept memberships from Israel
    but i know they selling there alot ,just fine..
    the problem for me is clearly the logistics,its easy to see where is Israel in the map,and the best option is to play there is if they do a South europe tour including Turkey and Israel..thatys they only way tro play there..but planning always uk-german and nethelands at their euro tour,i dont see that happen exept they start playng more than 3 weeks tour this could happen..
    as for the comment not to play there cos" murders innocent people.".if PJ thinks this way and do that,then i dont see them to play ever again at the country who is behind 90% of wars on the planet the last 50 years and has troops and military bases all over the planet..and they will play only to Switzerland and Monaco
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited February 2014

    You are hilarious. You responded to my first post. My first comment was directed at no one. I don't care what you post. I'm simply saying it's people like you taking issues to things that shouldn't be an issue are what's ruining the world. I laugh how you will constantly feel the need to reply. Even better is your rebuttal does not include an answer to the question. If Pearl Jam doesn't boycott Israel and plays there, will you boycott Pearl Jam? It's easy to attack the poster (remember, you replied to my post) and try and be clever than it is to address what the post is about. You have made my night better, I love hearing the reasonings of those that want to say something but say nothing. My rational discussion = who cares if they played Israel? If you are against it, will you boycott spending any money in the future on seeing them, buying a bootleg, a poster, ect? If you are for them boycotting a place that you feel strongly about, will stand by your convictions and do to them as you want them to do?

    Man....accusing ME of ad hominem attacks after all that? Saying I'm avoiding questions while you haven't addressed any of my opinions on why they shouldn't play there? And mocking me for always replying while you do the same....? And I'm the hilarious one....? ok.
    You are missing the big picture completely if you don't think this should be an issue.
    I wasnt avoiding your hypothetical question...I'll participate in your little game.
    If pj announces a show in Israel, I will wait to see if there are any conditions, official statements, or measures taken to balance their position. If in the end, supporting pj creates a moral dilemma for me, I would stop supporting them, and would probably have a hard time even listening to their music. I won't support janes addiction any longer, because of comments PF made - two of my fav albums of all time are now tainted by his disgusting remarks...soundgarden,
    The pixies, and Neil young will never see another dime from me if they all go thru with their shows as is, without comment. You presume too much about me.
    Now I predict that you'll either try to say I'm full of shit, or mock me for my choice, right?

    I don't feel any fan 'deserves' to see pj. That's not up to the fans to decide.
    I 100% feel for the peaceful fans in Israel that are caught up in the racist policies of their government...but in the big picture, the awareness the bds movement brings to the plight of the Palestinians is more important than the Israeli's desire to see a concert. Bds is the most effective non-violent way to effect change, as evidenced by South Africa, and the waves it's been causing for Israel recently.
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  • I don't feel any fan 'deserves' to see pj. .

    seriously,i didnt expect from you to say that.i know how u believe in human rights and want to be fair to all,.and i complitly disagree..
    all fans deserve the same,no matter their race,color,sex,political believes..even the ones who their goverments do wars ,provoke wars,or are"behind every fuckin war.."
    And with that logic,from the moment israelian fans dont deserve a show,cos of their shitty goverment,then,the fans from the country that support israelian goverment.,is behind israel , is allies with israel.,selling guns,bombs ,airplanes to israel ,dont deserve a show in their country either....wink wink..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,116
    Um, all opinions aside, PJ probably wont play there or anywhere else in the middle east. Id guess they consider it too risky from a security standpoint.
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,409
    It looks like you might be able to add The Rolling Stones to the list of artists to perform in Israel.
    June 10th in Tel Aviv.
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Hey Drowned out,I don't know your faith and I don't care.I as well as a couple other on here have tried to keep this about the music not politics.But since you seem so hell bent on supporting the innocent Palestinian part of the problem just remember a couple of things while up on your soapbox.
    Don't remember reading any stories of Israelis strapping explosives to children and blowing up innocent "non government" "non military"targets of men women and children ,or you know slaughter innocent Olympic athletes,or want to completely eliminate a race of people off the face of the earth.
    There is 1 Jewish state, there are dozens upon Dozens of Muslim countries that every day want to do away with Isreal.I get why they feel they need to secure its borders.So if human rights and fairness and apartheid are your concerns then maybe rallying the Palestinian organizations and the cowardly piece of shit terrorist groups that continue to terrorize innocent lives in the name of g-d to come to peaceful resolution and live in piece with others that do not believe in their collective dogmaThat is where your efforts should go.Unless of course you are a hypocrite with some other agenda.
    The situation in the Middle East is not like South Africa.
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    State of Love and Trust !!!!!!
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