OPEN LETTER TO THE 10 CLUB & TIM BIERMAN TO CHANGE GA LINE

Bant wrote:

pdalowsky wrote:

Did I read right that one of the 'complainers' here arrived a whole 40 minutes before doors opened and would have done things differently if the list was known to him ? Is that for real?

Yes you read that right, I probably would have showed up earlier if I was aware my unreserved general admission ticket could magically be turned into a reserved seat according to some unofficial list.
:fp:

are you for real?

If you had turned up earlier you would have been closer, because you'd have been closer to the front of the line with or without a list.

Seems you jumped on the gravy train here despite not having any experience of anyone on your show cheating the line. Did you really expect to turn up 40 minutes before opening and have a shot at the rail?

aus_suz wrote:

pdalowsky wrote:

So a few want ten club to organize this ? You really think they have time on show day to get a bunch of fans into number order?

Perhaps this is why the Band has changed to doing GA and Festivals because they were over working out seats for seniority and trying to keep the Faithfull happy.

Do 10c members GA get in 30 mins before non 10c members at shows?

I think only in Europe that happened.

I haven't heard of that this tour....

aus_suz wrote:

pdalowsky wrote:

So a few want ten club to organize this ? You really think they have time on show day to get a bunch of fans into number order?

Perhaps this is why the Band has changed to doing GA and Festivals because they were over working out seats for seniority and trying to keep the Faithfull happy.

Do 10c members GA get in 30 mins before non 10c members at shows?

oh and I think as the floor is all tenc in the states, there would be no need for early entry

..why so much trouble and getting so nervous about all this GA and how it works..?
in europe PJ plays GA 20 + Years,why so much drama about it at states??
i dont get it..and cos i read all the social media fans post and have conversations,there is NO such a big deal how things worked
and seems to me,some people try to find problems,even slightly ones,so just to continue talkin g about an issue..
just go,and enjoy the show..and from what ALL we saw at videos GA at USA shows is so cool,easy,no pushing,no dangerous at all..all worked just fine,and not as WAR ZONE Some tried made ​​it seem,when 10c announce the usa 2013 tour.
and something else..Almost ALL contact me or posting about tix,have a request only
"do u know anyone has GA so i can trade them with my reserved tix?"
its easy to see people want GA,and things working just find..
if the issue is a few cut the line,,yeah right,assholes are everywhere..we knew that before GA show up at usa tour..

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

mcgruff10 wrote:

Unless you have kids you wouldn't understand.

You mean, I don't understand that other parts of your life will take up your time if I don't actually have kids? I've been around kids, is that enough or do I actually have to have some first to understand that they fill up ones schedule?

And GA for rock shows have always had lines and people waiting/camping out. It's not something new. Maybe not meant for people choosing to have kids, but to be it's part of the rock shows. If they would implement a system for GA... sure... but I don't think this system is "crazy". It's just how it is, and have been. You people with these kids I have no idea how to relate to might have to accept that

I'm not being mean, i'm just saying a lot of people that have kids don't have 12 hours to sit in a line and some people don't understand that.
As far as the whole ga process I think the Bruce method could work extremely well. If it doesn't happen I know that I'll never be on the rail. Not a big deal. I walked into ga at brooklyn 1 15 minutes before the band went on and I was 8 people deep in front of stone; this is better than 95% of the people in the building.

My only experience with the Bruce system was this year.

At Leeds, and it was a simple line and list idea,......first come first in, and people could bugger off 'authorised' for hours at a time.

In fact the person at the front of the queue got there 5 days before the show, and would go back to her hotel to sleep and shower and everything......

Minus 25 in Calgary this weekend. How many will be queuing all day in that?

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mcgruff10 wrote:

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

But never forget - you should have sold a ticket to me!

I know! next tour bud! Maybe i'll fly across the pond next summer. I heard Paul is buying the first 5 rounds at each show.

you can hold me to that

pdalowsky wrote:

You people are too funny

It's nothing more than an attempt to bring order to the queue ... In a civilized way. In Europe last year it was not possible if you arrived early not to know of the system. All new comers to the venue were offered friendly advice to grab a number if being early was important to them to get a good spot.

It's as simple as that. And it worked really well. There was no difficulty with anyone I saw. Yes it was boring but it worked out well. The time spent on that Manchester pavement wasn't wasted. The fans acted with integrity, and with respect to each other. I think Tenclub expect that.

There appears to be a mentality here that suggests a minority of rebellious unrepentant non conformists whom seem to just want to be difficult.

This isn't school, you don't need teacher to hold your hands

You're right it's not school. We also don't need a notebook with a list to be civil.

tubes10s wrote:

I just hope that people that are in line speak up and don't let this notebook nonsense carry on. If someone steps into line in front of you simply because someone with no authority and absolutely no connection to the venue or the band puts their name and a random number in a notebook, then speak up!

If you step into line in front of even ONE person who doesn't know what the "notebook" is all about, then you're making an unfair and dishonest move, and you know it.

The problem with this is that EVERYONE doesn't know about it. That's what makes it unfair.

That's it.

The do exist people that like Pearl Jam and aren't on this board a lot or even at all. That's the flaw.