security was enforcing the stupid notebook and number thing at OKC. I had been having a blast in Dallas and didn't check in here so I was unpleasantly surprised to find that the really short GA line that I got in was about to get a whole lot longer when everyone showed up 30 minutes before the doors opened. Still, as GA goes...the crowd is fluid and you move with it. I ended up 4 rows dead center in front of Ed by the end of the night, so I can't really complain...it was just really a bummer to watch people cut in front of you in line because they knew about the list and had a lower number
security was enforcing the stupid notebook and number thing at OKC. I had been having a blast in Dallas and didn't check in here so I was unpleasantly surprised to find that the really short GA line that I got in was about to get a whole lot longer when everyone showed up 30 minutes before the doors opened. Still, as GA goes...the crowd is fluid and you move with it. I ended up 4 rows dead center in front of Ed by the end of the night, so I can't really complain...it was just really a bummer to watch people cut in front of you in line because they knew about the list and had a lower number
I lined up in the Dallas GA line at 5:00 PM. I was about #75 or so in line. That was just a quick count I did in my head. I ended up one person off the rail right in front of Mike. So I think it worked out pretty well.
I don't know if Dallas was an anomaly, but it was freaking awesome. The venue actually moved us twice so the numbered hands came in handy when everyone had to grab all their belongings and move to where the GA entrance would eventually be. No one was pissed, everyone hung out together in line, we looked out for one another, and the people that came later were given information and the ability to sign a notebook sitting on a stool with a marker to sign and give themselves a chronological number on their hand IF THEY WANTED TO. No one was in charge of the notebook, it was just there. In fact, everyone in line encouraged one another, allowed food/bathroom/merch/ticket pick up. I know of no one that left for hours on end after getting a number and then tried to get back in line. We policed ourselves, made friends and memories, shared stories, etc. We knew the people that were there before us and the ones that came after. It wasn't rocket science. I met people from all over the world!
The Dallas GA was pretty small, so perhaps that made a difference. When we were escorted down to the floor by security, no one pushed/shoved/stampeded and I heard NO ONE complain about their position. In fact, Stone's end of the rail at the very end was EMPTY! We had kids, adults, signs, flags...it was all so very respectful and calm. A great experience. The only incident I think occurred when the venue moved the GA line around 3pm. But it got resolved without fisticuffs. All in all a great experience.
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So now you want a general admission show with reserved spots? Do you understand the concept of GA? There are no reserved spots so you can wander around the city and then magically show up at the last minute to claim your rightful spot in front of Eddie. That's not what GA is... You're describing reserved seating. You can't have it both ways.
I think you can have it both ways. The pit is a large open area where people can stand and mill around instead of having their little 2ft by 2ft box. Even at a lot of shows at smaller clubs, there's a line that forms way in advance...it just happens to be more nutso with this considering the band is much more popular than one that charges $28/advance, $32/day for a small club that can only do 2,000 people.
I bet all those fans who line up in front of the tiny clubs don't complain like we do...but it's life. People want it both ways.
IMO, if they do it both ways, they either print a 100% random number on the ticket saying "this ticket enters 15th" or do a random number that corresponds to the random drawing and the number drawn is the first in line. The number allocation system would also allow people to go to the preparties, or whatever.
My advice? If you're not on the rail, but you *are* in the pit, realize:
1) You're in the building and everyone not in the building wishes they were.
2) You've got a lot of people who who are in the building but wishes they were in the pit.
One thing we know about the band? They'll change the system in a few years...for better or worse.
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An non-issue. Doors open at 6:30. At all the shows I went to on the East Coast, there were people still coming into GA at 7:15 who were no more than 4 or 5 rows back.
And even if you were at the back of GA, you'd stil have a great view. And a rail to rest your back on too.
Good point. I saw a few pictures (don't remember from where) and it looked like half the pit was empty! Of course, this was probably 30-40 minutes before showtime, but don't tell me that whole pit filled up like crazy in those final minutes...you can probably still get a good view and not be in line all day.
I think it's a lot of people who aren't happy being four or five back...they may be unhappy with second row.
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You knew as soon as GA was announced that shit like this would happen , Seniority was not fare enough ok so now GA is in place and still not fare to all i don't know what people wan't here i got GA for Hartford walked in 7:30 had a great view not crowded at all enjoyed the show ...Not everyone is going to be happy with any system they have in place and that bullshit list and note book crap should be completly disregarded if you are willing to show up 5am and wait all day you should be rewarded with the rail ....
Wrigley: I gave a random stranger on the board my spare PJ20 Alpine tickets. She happen to win Wrigley GA tix and offered her spare to me to repay the favor. I did not ask for it. We are good friends now
Buffalo: I had a behind the stage ticket and went to the box office when I arrived to see if there were better tickets. The ticket dude was like, we have tickets on the floor if you don't mind standing. ?!?!?!?!?
Worcester 2: I won the 10c lottery for like the 2nd/3rd round. As far as I know, everyone who entered won. I gave my other GA ticket to a fan who got shut out.
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Brooklyn 2: Traded my spare Brooklyn 1 for Brooklyn 2 with a super cool fan that I've traded with before in the past on Lost Dogs.
I'm not sure how this makes me a bad person but somehow you think it's an issue that I found a way to make it happen. I don't have special connections. I try to help fans out when I can, and have been fortunate to benefit from others who do the same. Sometimes from people I've helped out in the past, other times from random strangers. It's a beautiful thing.
Some of us have careers / families / other obligations that keep us from utilizing the PJ community. Shouldn’t everyone have equal access to tickets directly from PJ? So essentially you have an advantage that others do not, which was considered “unfair” in the days of F5. Back then, some people “found a way to make it happen”, they learned the website, practiced, and gained advantages over others. Some people had an issue with that, but we didn’t have special connections. It was a beautiful thing.
I have no beef with you, you exploited the current system, I actually applaud you for that. My problem is with the system and those who think it is fair. GA winner’s trade amongst GA winners, the rich get richer. The only way to keep GA tickets and be fair is to sell only singles, or print names on tickets the day of purchase. It’s just funny to see people who feel so strongly about their perception of fairness in one situation, throw it completely out the window in another nearly identical situation, all out of selfishness.
You don't know me and you have no idea what my obligations are. You are assuming you have far more than I do. If your takeaway from my post was that I have an "advantage" because I have managed to form good relationships with Pearl Jam fans, then you and I have nothing to talk about.
that bullshit list and note book crap should be completly disregarded if you are willing to show up 5am and wait all day you should be rewarded with the rail ....
I lined up in the Dallas GA line at 5:00 PM. I was about #75 or so in line. That was just a quick count I did in my head. I ended up one person off the rail right in front of Mike. So I think it worked out pretty well.
I don't know if Dallas was an anomaly, but it was freaking awesome. The venue actually moved us twice so the numbered hands came in handy when everyone had to grab all their belongings and move to where the GA entrance would eventually be. No one was pissed, everyone hung out together in line, we looked out for one another, and the people that came later were given information and the ability to sign a notebook sitting on a stool with a marker to sign and give themselves a chronological number on their hand IF THEY WANTED TO. No one was in charge of the notebook, it was just there. In fact, everyone in line encouraged one another, allowed food/bathroom/merch/ticket pick up. I know of no one that left for hours on end after getting a number and then tried to get back in line. We policed ourselves, made friends and memories, shared stories, etc. We knew the people that were there before us and the ones that came after. It wasn't rocket science. I met people from all over the world!
The Dallas GA was pretty small, so perhaps that made a difference. When we were escorted down to the floor by security, no one pushed/shoved/stampeded and I heard NO ONE complain about their position. In fact, Stone's end of the rail at the very end was EMPTY! We had kids, adults, signs, flags...it was all so very respectful and calm. A great experience. The only incident I think occurred when the venue moved the GA line around 3pm. But it got resolved without fisticuffs. All in all a great experience.
Yeah, that's cool. I probably showed up too late for numbering or anything but I saw numbers on people's hands. I just didn't think anything of it. The whole Dallas GA thing went really, really smooth from what I could tell.
sounds like a really nice solution would be to create signage at the GA line obvious to everyone that there is a place to sign-in for a GA number. The sign could be made with a couple of the sheets from the notebook and the sharpie.
Wow the whining and the sense of entitlement here is unbelievable. I'd just like to say Thank you 10 Club for giving me a chance at fantastic seats to the band that I adore so much. I hope those who are complaining so much will realize how good they have it, let it rest and enjoy the music!
Looking forward to AZ tomorrow!!!
THIS kind of crap is why I will roll in to the venue at 6:30. Pearl Jam fans are a bunch of spoiled brats.
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that bullshit list and note book crap should be completly disregarded if you are willing to show up 5am and wait all day you should be rewarded with the rail ....
Exactly!
If you show up at 5am and put in your time, YOU ARE rewarded with the rail. The list didn't fuck up anyone in OKC for the people who showed up and were there all day. I showed up at 545am in OKC and got the rail and had a pleasant experience with the list. All of the people who had a major problem with the list showed up in the late afternoon at OKC.
the way I am used to GA working is that you get in line....and you STAY in line. You don't show up at 10am, write your name in a book and then leave for the rest of the day and jump in front of people who have been waiting for hours right before the doors open.
That's what I saw happening in OKC and THAT'S what I have a problem with. The notebook is a fan run thing...not an official 10club thing. Not everyone knew about it. This is how it is unfair, and I think this is what upset most people.
I chose to go to the preparty and line up about two hours before the show. That was my choice. Still, I was pretty happy with my place in the line....until a ton of people showed up right before the doors and jumped in line. They didn't wait like the people that were there at 5am. They put their name in a book and then left...which I have never seen done for GA before.
I don't blame tenclub...I don't blame those who waiting all day to get the rail....I don't really blame anyone. It was just a bit of a downer but now I know better for next time.
Live and learn...
the way I am used to GA working is that you get in line....and you STAY in line. You don't show up at 10am, write your name in a book and then leave for the rest of the day and jump in front of people who have been waiting for hours right before the doors open.
That's what I saw happening in OKC and THAT'S what I have a problem with. The notebook is a fan run thing...not an official 10club thing. Not everyone knew about it. This is how it is unfair, and I think this is what upset most people.
I chose to go to the preparty and line up about two hours before the show. That was my choice. Still, I was pretty happy with my place in the line....until a ton of people showed up right before the doors and jumped in line. They didn't wait like the people that were there at 5am. They put their name in a book and then left...which I have never seen done for GA before.
I don't blame tenclub...I don't blame those who waiting all day to get the rail....I don't really blame anyone. It was just a bit of a downer but now I know better for next time.
Live and learn...
Whether or not the "notebook" thing is a good idea is kind of beside the point.
It's not about entitlement, and it has nothing to do with how many shows one's been to, if they have kids with them, or how cool everyone is with the idea. The point is that it is an idea someone started outside of the 10C or venue policies, and it seems to have been adopted as the standing rule in many cases, yet many seem to be oblivious to or able to 'benefit' from this new 'system', which simply makes it wrong and unfair. What if I show up in L.A. with my own notebook, put myself a #1, and tell ten other people about it? Are we all going to get the 10 first spots in line? NO, and rightfully not.
If it didn't come from 10C or the venue as a means of managing the crowd for a more organized entry or for safety concerns, it is garbage. If I show up early, I expect to be close. If I show up later and there's 200 people in front of me, I expect to have 200 people in front of me inside the arena. Otherwise, it's not GA as the band intended.
That's enough from me on the subject. I'm going to have a great time with my sons no matter what.
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the way I am used to GA working is that you get in line....and you STAY in line. You don't show up at 10am, write your name in a book and then leave for the rest of the day and jump in front of people who have been waiting for hours right before the doors open.
That's what I saw happening in OKC and THAT'S what I have a problem with. The notebook is a fan run thing...not an official 10club thing. Not everyone knew about it. This is how it is unfair, and I think this is what upset most people.
I chose to go to the preparty and line up about two hours before the show. That was my choice. Still, I was pretty happy with my place in the line....until a ton of people showed up right before the doors and jumped in line. They didn't wait like the people that were there at 5am. They put their name in a book and then left...which I have never seen done for GA before.
I don't blame tenclub...I don't blame those who waiting all day to get the rail....I don't really blame anyone. It was just a bit of a downer but now I know better for next time.
Live and learn...
Well put. It sucks. It's not right. It's not fair. Those that don't are to be lauded. Those that do abuse due to the list should be ashamed. Sorry that you had to sit there and watch others return in front of you due to their excuse of being on the list.
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You are so far off base it's scary. I had someone that traded my 10C reserved spare for his 10C GA. Very cool guy. Did he get richer? I guess you would say I did. Well, yes - especially since I made a new friend. As others have described - there is nothing wrong with having/making friends. There's nothing unfair or nefarious (exploiting? Really?) about that. Everyone does have equal access to tix now. Even with the F5 process once you had tix, you could do the same thing. Hey, I'm an F5 supporter, but what you are suggesting is apples and watermelons.
Sell only singles? Yowzers. So, you're suggesting folks can't bring friends. Yikes. I think you need to rethink your thought process.
So because of one exception you experienced, you are arguing that the spare GA ticket isn't a tremendous bargaining chip that people use for selfish reasons? I suggest you reread my post, where I do NOT say that they should sell only singles, I say exactly:
The only way to keep GA tickets and be fair is to sell only singles, or print names on tickets the day of purchase.
Which says first and foremost that they should do away with GA, but the only way to keep GA and be fair is to sell pairs to those who know who they are taking on the date they go on sale, or singles if you can't commit. There are plenty of people to fill GA who can commit to who they want to take to GA the date they go on sale. Of course a superior option would be to eliminate GA altogether.
You are the one talking apples and watermelons because there weren't GA tickets under F5. You also completely missed the point. This board is filled with hypocrites, when the system doesn’t benefit them, they complain. When the system benefits them, there is nothing wrong with it… even if they are now doing what they previously spoke out against. All I’ve ever asked for is consistency, whether it benefits me or not.
You don't know me and you have no idea what my obligations are. You are assuming you have far more than I do. If your takeaway from my post was that I have an "advantage" because I have managed to form good relationships with Pearl Jam fans, then you and I have nothing to talk about.
The only assumption here was that you assumed I was talking about you specifically, which I obviously wasn't.
So you don't believe you have an advantage that others do not have??? Because it's pretty obvious you do. Others don't do what you do, because they choose not to, that is not your fault. As I said in my previous post, "you exploited the current system; I actually applaud you for that".
I simply threw out the same lame anti-F5 arguments we've heard for months about why your advantage is unfair, to point out how hypocritical many on this board are, depending on whether or not they are benefiting from the situation or not. It's funny that people don't truly want fairness; they just want to talk about fairness to get something that benefits them. If people TRULY wanted fairness, they would have been up in arms about how one person could get so many GA tickets, while others had none. But the truth is that most who frequent this board want to do exactly what you did, make friends, and get more and better tickets. So if the system benefits them, they stop complaining about fairness.
Tim, perhaps you'll recall a long ago conversation I had with you at PJ's Vegas show at the MGM Grand back in '03. As you know, that Riot Act tour allowed fans to better their seat locations based on seniority in ticketed blocks. The earlier you arrived to get your ticket from your seniority block, the better your ticket location would be (most of the time). I arrived super early in the morning the day of that show and waited the whole day. I was one of maybe five people there. Later that day, some other fans returned with a list of names and all cut in front of me based on its supposed authority. There ended up being more than 50 people in front of me by the time it was all said and done. I spoke to you about this and remember you being appalled. You said it was wrong and shouldn't have been allowed to happen.
Flash forward 10 years to today's current Lightning Bolt tour. The decision has been made to return to GA shows. I for one think that is the way that PJ was always meant to be seen, though being anywhere in the building with them is awesome. I like art. I like seeing art museums and exploring all that a city has to offer. Through 10 Club promotions, the club encourages this experience too as PJ tours in awesome cities around the world. I like seeing PJ up close. I can't have both. If I'm an honest person who is made to wait in a GA line all day to see them up close, I unfortunately can't also spend the day seeing a city, and getting to fraternize with other fans. I'd like to shop on South St. in Philly. I'd like to see the sights of NYC, the Experience Music project and Public Market in Seattle, etc. I believe this to be wrong. I know the band and the club are fans of the Boss. Bruce has a system that eliminates the need for fans to waste their whole day in order to see the show up close. U2 also has a system that eliminates it. What we have now is unauthorized fans showing up early to run their own system with creating a list and using magic markers on hands to enforce it. You have some honest fans that truly wait all day. But then you have other fans that use the list to be away from the line for long periods of times. I feel that one should wait to earn what's worth being earned and not be out of line for long periods of times because they once were there and put their name on some list. Enforcing the fairness of this is near impossible. The true fans who are honest with their waiting shouldn't have to try to enforce policing of abusers.
I appeal to you to look into changing this for future tours. I have always been impressed with the intelligence and caring nature that the club handles its many interactions with its fans. I think the fans deserve to have a system in place that allows them to enjoy their day exploring a city rather than sitting on a sidewalk all day.
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I had GA tickets for four shows this tour. Two lottery wins, and I posted for two of those shows that I was looking for GA tickets and people on the board that I had never talked to messaged me. It isn't like I put a lot of effort into it or had connections. I gave up one set of GA to friends so they could experience GA. You help out and get helped out sometimes. That is not exploiting this system.
This list though is ridiculous though if it is allowing people to leave for hours at a time.
I had GA tickets for four shows this tour. Two lottery wins, and I posted for two of those shows that I was looking for GA tickets and people on the board that I had never talked to messaged me. It isn't like I put a lot of effort into it or had connections. I gave up one set of GA to friends so they could experience GA. You help out and get helped out sometimes. That is not exploiting this system.
This list though is ridiculous though if it is allowing people to leave for hours at a time.
Yes single GA tickets are easy to find. So good for you.
Yes people go to the bar and roll up around 5:30 to as late as 6:20...Ms. I'm number 42.
I get the idea. The flaw is not everyone knows. People on this board are learning about it for the first time here or at the shows.
Just go back left on Mikes side. Plenty of picks and he walked in the pit at Charlottesville.
This band brings out the best of people and the worst. This middle school list thing is ridiculous, for that matter, waiting in line all day long to be in the rail is pretty ridiculous also.
At Wrigley, even after EV told the crowd multiple times that dangerous weather was coming in and the floor needed to be cleared the entitled fans on the rail would not leave the floor.
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I think you can have it both ways. The pit is a large open area where people can stand and mill around instead of having their little 2ft by 2ft box. Even at a lot of shows at smaller clubs, there's a line that forms way in advance...it just happens to be more nutso with this considering the band is much more popular than one that charges $28/advance, $32/day for a small club that can only do 2,000 people.
I bet all those fans who line up in front of the tiny clubs don't complain like we do...but it's life. People want it both ways.
IMO, if they do it both ways, they either print a 100% random number on the ticket saying "this ticket enters 15th" or do a random number that corresponds to the random drawing and the number drawn is the first in line. The number allocation system would also allow people to go to the preparties, or whatever.
My advice? If you're not on the rail, but you *are* in the pit, realize:
1) You're in the building and everyone not in the building wishes they were.
2) You've got a lot of people who who are in the building but wishes they were in the pit.
One thing we know about the band? They'll change the system in a few years...for better or worse.
They've given us the general system and want us to work it out...perhaps they actually want us to "carry on like this" and work out the exact details.
Good point. I saw a few pictures (don't remember from where) and it looked like half the pit was empty! Of course, this was probably 30-40 minutes before showtime, but don't tell me that whole pit filled up like crazy in those final minutes...you can probably still get a good view and not be in line all day.
I think it's a lot of people who aren't happy being four or five back...they may be unhappy with second row.
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Exactly!
Yeah, that's cool. I probably showed up too late for numbering or anything but I saw numbers on people's hands. I just didn't think anything of it. The whole Dallas GA thing went really, really smooth from what I could tell.
What I can I say? We're cool people.
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If you show up at 5am and put in your time, YOU ARE rewarded with the rail. The list didn't fuck up anyone in OKC for the people who showed up and were there all day. I showed up at 545am in OKC and got the rail and had a pleasant experience with the list. All of the people who had a major problem with the list showed up in the late afternoon at OKC.
That's what I saw happening in OKC and THAT'S what I have a problem with. The notebook is a fan run thing...not an official 10club thing. Not everyone knew about it. This is how it is unfair, and I think this is what upset most people.
I chose to go to the preparty and line up about two hours before the show. That was my choice. Still, I was pretty happy with my place in the line....until a ton of people showed up right before the doors and jumped in line. They didn't wait like the people that were there at 5am. They put their name in a book and then left...which I have never seen done for GA before.
I don't blame tenclub...I don't blame those who waiting all day to get the rail....I don't really blame anyone. It was just a bit of a downer but now I know better for next time.
Live and learn...
This is also what I saw at Charlottesville.
It's not about entitlement, and it has nothing to do with how many shows one's been to, if they have kids with them, or how cool everyone is with the idea. The point is that it is an idea someone started outside of the 10C or venue policies, and it seems to have been adopted as the standing rule in many cases, yet many seem to be oblivious to or able to 'benefit' from this new 'system', which simply makes it wrong and unfair. What if I show up in L.A. with my own notebook, put myself a #1, and tell ten other people about it? Are we all going to get the 10 first spots in line? NO, and rightfully not.
If it didn't come from 10C or the venue as a means of managing the crowd for a more organized entry or for safety concerns, it is garbage. If I show up early, I expect to be close. If I show up later and there's 200 people in front of me, I expect to have 200 people in front of me inside the arena. Otherwise, it's not GA as the band intended.
That's enough from me on the subject. I'm going to have a great time with my sons no matter what.
(Just don't cut in front of me, and everything will be fine.
Well put. It sucks. It's not right. It's not fair. Those that don't are to be lauded. Those that do abuse due to the list should be ashamed. Sorry that you had to sit there and watch others return in front of you due to their excuse of being on the list.
So because of one exception you experienced, you are arguing that the spare GA ticket isn't a tremendous bargaining chip that people use for selfish reasons? I suggest you reread my post, where I do NOT say that they should sell only singles, I say exactly:
Which says first and foremost that they should do away with GA, but the only way to keep GA and be fair is to sell pairs to those who know who they are taking on the date they go on sale, or singles if you can't commit. There are plenty of people to fill GA who can commit to who they want to take to GA the date they go on sale. Of course a superior option would be to eliminate GA altogether.
You are the one talking apples and watermelons because there weren't GA tickets under F5. You also completely missed the point. This board is filled with hypocrites, when the system doesn’t benefit them, they complain. When the system benefits them, there is nothing wrong with it… even if they are now doing what they previously spoke out against. All I’ve ever asked for is consistency, whether it benefits me or not.
The only assumption here was that you assumed I was talking about you specifically, which I obviously wasn't.
So you don't believe you have an advantage that others do not have??? Because it's pretty obvious you do. Others don't do what you do, because they choose not to, that is not your fault. As I said in my previous post, "you exploited the current system; I actually applaud you for that".
I simply threw out the same lame anti-F5 arguments we've heard for months about why your advantage is unfair, to point out how hypocritical many on this board are, depending on whether or not they are benefiting from the situation or not. It's funny that people don't truly want fairness; they just want to talk about fairness to get something that benefits them. If people TRULY wanted fairness, they would have been up in arms about how one person could get so many GA tickets, while others had none. But the truth is that most who frequent this board want to do exactly what you did, make friends, and get more and better tickets. So if the system benefits them, they stop complaining about fairness.
What is Bruce's policy?
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Exactly. Go for it. Mead notebook and sharpie and start your own line. Let chaos ensue. The whole list thing is Bu$hleague.
This list though is ridiculous though if it is allowing people to leave for hours at a time.
Yes single GA tickets are easy to find. So good for you.
Yes people go to the bar and roll up around 5:30 to as late as 6:20...Ms. I'm number 42.
I get the idea. The flaw is not everyone knows. People on this board are learning about it for the first time here or at the shows.
Just go back left on Mikes side. Plenty of picks and he walked in the pit at Charlottesville.
At Wrigley, even after EV told the crowd multiple times that dangerous weather was coming in and the floor needed to be cleared the entitled fans on the rail would not leave the floor.