OPEN LETTER TO THE 10 CLUB & TIM BIERMAN TO CHANGE GA LINE

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  • Bant
    Bant Millinowhere, ME Posts: 506
    Spiritual_Chaos wrote:
    Bant wrote:
    Yes you read that right, I probably would have showed up earlier if I was aware my unreserved general admission ticket could magically be turned into a reserved seat according to some unofficial list.
    :fp:
    You don't seem to understand. At all.
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    (but maybe my experience just felt fair and everything you seem to wan't, with the added greatness of being able to sit in groups and chat and visit the bathroom without hassle. Maybe it actually didn't work and people went away all day and came back. I did not notice. No one did that where I was sitting.)

    So what the hell, skip the list and the numbers. They really have no function as long as people around you are cool.

    :lol:

    I'm not the one not understanding here. For this system to mean anything it needs to be part of the clearly laid out rules of the 10 club ticket policy.

    Truth be told, I don't care that much. I've only gone to one show this tour and won't see them again until next time around. I just wanted to throw in my two cents about the obvious problems with this list, as others have. If you want to ignore these problems, go ahead. Go sign the Sevens petition or something. At least you got an email about that.
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,276
    Bant wrote:
    pdalowsky wrote:
    Did I read right that one of the 'complainers' here arrived a whole 40 minutes before doors opened and would have done things differently if the list was known to him ? Is that for real?

    Yes you read that right, I probably would have showed up earlier if I was aware my unreserved general admission ticket could magically be turned into a reserved seat according to some unofficial list.
    :fp:

    are you for real?

    If you had turned up earlier you would have been closer, because you'd have been closer to the front of the line with or without a list.

    Seems you jumped on the gravy train here despite not having any experience of anyone on your show cheating the line. Did you really expect to turn up 40 minutes before opening and have a shot at the rail?
  • aus_suz
    aus_suz Posts: 9,406
    pdalowsky wrote:

    So a few want ten club to organize this ? You really think they have time on show day to get a bunch of fans into number order?

    Perhaps this is why the Band has changed to doing GA and Festivals because they were over working out seats for seniority and trying to keep the Faithfull happy.

    Do 10c members GA get in 30 mins before non 10c members at shows?
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,276
    aus_suz wrote:
    pdalowsky wrote:

    So a few want ten club to organize this ? You really think they have time on show day to get a bunch of fans into number order?

    Perhaps this is why the Band has changed to doing GA and Festivals because they were over working out seats for seniority and trying to keep the Faithfull happy.

    Do 10c members GA get in 30 mins before non 10c members at shows?

    I think only in Europe that happened.

    I haven't heard of that this tour....
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,675
    aus_suz wrote:
    Do 10c members GA get in 30 mins before non 10c members at shows?

    In Europe the entire Arena is GA, so that's why you get in 30 min earlier.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,276
    aus_suz wrote:
    pdalowsky wrote:

    So a few want ten club to organize this ? You really think they have time on show day to get a bunch of fans into number order?

    Perhaps this is why the Band has changed to doing GA and Festivals because they were over working out seats for seniority and trying to keep the Faithfull happy.

    Do 10c members GA get in 30 mins before non 10c members at shows?

    oh and I think as the floor is all tenc in the states, there would be no need for early entry
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,726
    pdalowsky wrote:
    aus_suz wrote:
    pdalowsky wrote:

    So a few want ten club to organize this ? You really think they have time on show day to get a bunch of fans into number order?

    Perhaps this is why the Band has changed to doing GA and Festivals because they were over working out seats for seniority and trying to keep the Faithfull happy.

    Do 10c members GA get in 30 mins before non 10c members at shows?

    oh and I think as the floor is all tenc in the states, there would be no need for early entry
    yep..no early entry cos all GA section are 10c tix only
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,726
    ..why so much trouble and getting so nervous about all this GA and how it works..?
    in europe PJ plays GA 20 + Years,why so much drama about it at states??
    i dont get it..and cos i read all the social media fans post and have conversations,there is NO such a big deal how things worked
    and seems to me,some people try to find problems,even slightly ones,so just to continue talkin g about an issue..
    just go,and enjoy the show..and from what ALL we saw at videos GA at USA shows is so cool,easy,no pushing,no dangerous at all..all worked just fine,and not as WAR ZONE Some tried made ​​it seem,when 10c announce the usa 2013 tour.
    and something else..Almost ALL contact me or posting about tix,have a request only
    "do u know anyone has GA so i can trade them with my reserved tix?"
    its easy to see people want GA,and things working just find..
    if the issue is a few cut the line,,yeah right,assholes are everywhere..we knew that before GA show up at usa tour..
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  • RE4790
    RE4790 Posts: 826
    I like how we are debating the proper implementation of mob rule in this thread. :thumbup:
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,237
    Spiritual_Chaos wrote:
    mcgruff10 wrote:
    Unless you have kids you wouldn't understand.

    You mean, I don't understand that other parts of your life will take up your time if I don't actually have kids? I've been around kids, is that enough or do I actually have to have some first to understand that they fill up ones schedule?

    And GA for rock shows have always had lines and people waiting/camping out. It's not something new. Maybe not meant for people choosing to have kids, but to be it's part of the rock shows. If they would implement a system for GA... sure... but I don't think this system is "crazy". It's just how it is, and have been. You people with these kids I have no idea how to relate to might have to accept that :)

    I'm not being mean, i'm just saying a lot of people that have kids don't have 12 hours to sit in a line and some people don't understand that.
    As far as the whole ga process I think the Bruce method could work extremely well. If it doesn't happen I know that I'll never be on the rail. Not a big deal. I walked into ga at brooklyn 1 15 minutes before the band went on and I was 8 people deep in front of stone; this is better than 95% of the people in the building.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,675
    edited November 2013
    mcgruff10 wrote:
    Spiritual_Chaos wrote:
    mcgruff10 wrote:
    Unless you have kids you wouldn't understand.

    You mean, I don't understand that other parts of your life will take up your time if I don't actually have kids? I've been around kids, is that enough or do I actually have to have some first to understand that they fill up ones schedule?

    And GA for rock shows have always had lines and people waiting/camping out. It's not something new. Maybe not meant for people choosing to have kids, but to be it's part of the rock shows. If they would implement a system for GA... sure... but I don't think this system is "crazy". It's just how it is, and have been. You people with these kids I have no idea how to relate to might have to accept that :)

    I'm not being mean, i'm just saying a lot of people that have kids don't have 12 hours to sit in a line and some people don't understand that.
    As far as the whole ga process I think the Bruce method could work extremely well. If it doesn't happen I know that I'll never be on the rail. Not a big deal. I walked into ga at brooklyn 1 15 minutes before the band went on and I was 8 people deep in front of stone; this is better than 95% of the people in the building.
    But never forget - you should have sold a ticket to me! :)
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,276
    My only experience with the Bruce system was this year.

    At Leeds, and it was a simple line and list idea,......first come first in, and people could bugger off 'authorised' for hours at a time.

    In fact the person at the front of the queue got there 5 days before the show, and would go back to her hotel to sleep and shower and everything......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,675
    pdalowsky wrote:
    My only experience with the Bruce system was this year.

    At Leeds, and it was a simple line and list idea,......first come first in, and people could bugger off 'authorised' for hours at a time.

    In fact the person at the front of the queue got there 5 days before the show, and would go back to her hotel to sleep and shower and everything......
    Not rock enough!
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Eraserhead
    Eraserhead Stoke-on-Trent Posts: 2,984
    Minus 25 in Calgary this weekend. How many will be queuing all day in that?

    :shock:
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,237
    Spiritual_Chaos wrote:
    But never forget - you should have sold a ticket to me! :)

    I know! next tour bud! Maybe i'll fly across the pond next summer. I heard Paul is buying the first 5 rounds at each show.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,276
    mcgruff10 wrote:
    Spiritual_Chaos wrote:
    But never forget - you should have sold a ticket to me! :)

    I know! next tour bud! Maybe i'll fly across the pond next summer. I heard Paul is buying the first 5 rounds at each show.

    you can hold me to that :D
  • Evensteven
    Evensteven Posts: 869
    63schoefflin wrote:
    It basically boils down to the fact that anyone doing this number thing is a shitty person. End of story.


    I like this.

    The line system is elitist BS. The major flaw is the majority of people do not know about it.

    I get that people don't want to stand in line all day but this is not the solution.

    When my wife first saw this she thought it was the dumbest think she had ever seen and wanted no part of of it.
    "Mark it 20, Dude."
  • Evensteven
    Evensteven Posts: 869
    pdalowsky wrote:
    You people are too funny

    It's nothing more than an attempt to bring order to the queue ... In a civilized way. In Europe last year it was not possible if you arrived early not to know of the system. All new comers to the venue were offered friendly advice to grab a number if being early was important to them to get a good spot.

    It's as simple as that. And it worked really well. There was no difficulty with anyone I saw. Yes it was boring but it worked out well. The time spent on that Manchester pavement wasn't wasted. The fans acted with integrity, and with respect to each other. I think Tenclub expect that.

    There appears to be a mentality here that suggests a minority of rebellious unrepentant non conformists whom seem to just want to be difficult.

    This isn't school, you don't need teacher to hold your hands


    You're right it's not school. We also don't need a notebook with a list to be civil.
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  • stoppler_pj
    stoppler_pj Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 191
    I prefer reserved seating. No waiting. Enjoy the city and other fans.
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  • Evensteven
    Evensteven Posts: 869
    tubes10s wrote:
    I just hope that people that are in line speak up and don't let this notebook nonsense carry on. If someone steps into line in front of you simply because someone with no authority and absolutely no connection to the venue or the band puts their name and a random number in a notebook, then speak up!

    If you step into line in front of even ONE person who doesn't know what the "notebook" is all about, then you're making an unfair and dishonest move, and you know it.

    The problem with this is that EVERYONE doesn't know about it. That's what makes it unfair.


    That's it.

    The do exist people that like Pearl Jam and aren't on this board a lot or even at all. That's the flaw.
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