Dear Ed, There is a such thing as a Responsible Gun Owner...

Pearl Jam_ie · October 2013

In Wisconsin, thanks to the Governor and his constituents, we now have open carry laws. At first, I was sort of indifferent about it. Now I've come to realize just how ignorant and paranoid the gun nuts are. Here's a video of some guys that got checked by a cop for openly carrying weapons in downtown Green Bay. One of them is carrying an semi-automatic AR-15 and one has a shot gun. Please note that this is perfectly legal for them to do here, but...really? Who the fuck carries an assault rifle with them, in the middle of the day, in Green Bay Wisconsin, while on their way to get lunch?!

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/201 ... 310090229/

evsgjamm · October 2013

rbrum7 wrote:

all gun owners...Gun's are for pussies.

Right right... good insult. (such a ridiculous statement)

evsgjamm · October 2013

dlymnfld wrote:

Being a Police Officer, the issue people have in my profession is that stricter gun laws just affect and punish the average law abiding citizen. Criminals get guns regardless and don't abide by any rules stricter or not. We always joke that there are some pretty strict laws on possessing coke, heroin and meth but the criminals seem to have no problem getting their hands on those "illegal" items. There are responsible gun owners out there, I come in contact with them all the time but I also see more criminals carrying non licensed illegal guns (usually with their heroin, coke and meth). IBTL

Boom! Thanks for posting this.

evsgjamm · October 2013

callen wrote:

The more guns the more death.

Replace the word "guns" with the word "criminals." Now you have a factual statement.

backseatLover12 · October 2013

rr165892 wrote:

backseatLover12 wrote:

rr165892 wrote:

Good post and I agree.Many people are way to Naive to what really is going on.I wish we lived in some utopian society where one need not worry about violence and crime and our children were safe.But we live in a sick world and scumbags do want to hurt, steal,rob ,murder,rape,kidnap and assault innocent people.
Every law enforcement person I have ever met who comes face to face with violence everyday has recommended responsible self protection for self and family.

It's judgment calls like these, claiming that "you're naive if you don't own a gun like me" that makes me think that such a closed mind is such a very dangerous thing to own. Much more dangerous than any gun. Wake up. Your opinion is just that. AN OPINION. Respect that everyone has one of their own and theirs certainly don't have to match anyone else's.

DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS.

Don't twist it.Im not saying your naive if you don't own a gun.And I didn't state my own ownership or non ownership. I am in agreement with the Op that most of society is naive to the bad that is out there.To pretend it Dosent exist is in fact naive.Protect your family as you see fit.Your Buisness. But sticking your head in the sand and thinking that nothing that goes bump in the night will hurt you is a fools errand.imo

Apologies. Granted, my post is not to educate but rather to respect others' opinions. You both speak of naïveté'?
Spare me. If this thread is meant to be a debate, then the mods should move it to A moving Train. I'm sick of the righteousness and toxicity on the Porch.

Pearl Jam_ie · October 2013

evsgjamm wrote:

dlymnfld wrote:

Being a Police Officer, the issue people have in my profession is that stricter gun laws just affect and punish the average law abiding citizen. Criminals get guns regardless and don't abide by any rules stricter or not. We always joke that there are some pretty strict laws on possessing coke, heroin and meth but the criminals seem to have no problem getting their hands on those "illegal" items. There are responsible gun owners out there, I come in contact with them all the time but I also see more criminals carrying non licensed illegal guns (usually with their heroin, coke and meth). IBTL

Boom! Thanks for posting this.

It sounds like we need to legalize heroin, coke, and meth then, right? People are getting it anyways, so why not legalize the shit. Seems like it could cut down on gun violence too...

coco butter · October 2013

Pearl Jam_ie wrote:

In Wisconsin, thanks to the Governor and his constituents, we now have open carry laws. At first, I was sort of indifferent about it. Now I've come to realize just how ignorant and paranoid the gun nuts are. Here's a video of some guys that got checked by a cop for openly carrying weapons in downtown Green Bay. One of them is carrying an semi-automatic AR-15 and one has a shot gun. Please note that this is perfectly legal for them to do here, but...really? Who the fuck carries an assault rifle with them, in the middle of the day, in Green Bay Wisconsin, while on their way to get lunch?!

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/201 ... 310090229/

Have you seen the lines to get in Curly's Pub at Lambeau Field! I also heard it was Brett Favre fan appreciation day. Might be the reason. 8-)

But you're right... Come on!

fife · October 2013

evsgjamm wrote:

callen wrote:

The more guns the more death.

Replace the word "guns" with the word "criminals." Now you have a factual statement.

actually why not be more factual and said the more criminals with guns means more killings.

RoleModelsinBlood31 · October 2013

Here in Texas we love guns. And we love America. Oh, we love rock and roll too. I grew up in NY and hated guns and all that worried, crybaby stuff... Man I'm glad I moved to Texas!

I may not agree with Ed all the time, but I sure love him nonetheless. Pearl Jam is amazing, that's why we're even on this waste of time forum. Give the OP a break, he can say what he wants, he can do what he wants. It's America, people. There's room on the rest of the continents for you if you don't like it here. That's why we love it here. Long live the land of the free and the home of the brave.

:corn:

Now I'm going out to the shootin range!

evsgjamm · October 2013

JonnyPistachio wrote:

If you're responsible gun owner, Ed wasnt talking about YOU!
:fp: :fp:

Yes, however the people on this forum (and elsewhere) who just downright hate guns, and therefore JUDGE me?? I'm a person who's trained on how to use a gun and I get labelled as a bad person, a pussy, and that I am helping criminals etc etc....

Do you know what I am?

I'm a caregiver
I'm a volunteer
I'm a teacher
I donate to breast cancer research, prostate cancer research, less fortunate children around the world and many more charities
I'm a musician
I'm a chef
I'm a geologist
I'm an outdoorsman
I'm a thrill seeker
I'm a motorcycle enthusiast
I'm a fisherman
I'm a hunter
I'm a tax payer
I'm a voter

And before my P.A.L. expires next year, I am going to renew my license which allows me the means to go clay pigeon shooting, deer hunting, moose hunting, elk hunting and on the off chance that a local farmer contacts me because a group of coyotes, cougars or wolves have attacked his children and farm animals, I'll be there to lend a little responsible gun ownership; and he's always been anti-gun. These people on here who are judging me because of ONE thing I've been taught to operate and incorporate into the way I live my life, are immature in their judgmental ways. I'm here to stand up for myself and others who are like me against the personal attacks.

Now I gotta go listen to Glorified G.

Side note: Abbruzzese about "Glorified G":
I told our manager that I just bought a coupla guns and he told Jeff, and at rehearsal Jeff kinda blurted it out. And Eddie went, 'Whaaaat, you bought a GUN?' And I said, 'In fact, I bought two,' which ended up as the opening line of the song. I think it's fair to say Eddie was pretty outraged.

Based on this, I'd say JonnyPistachio might be wrong in saying Ed wasn't talking about "you." Maybe his viewpoint has changed over the years, but you'd think in that room, when Ed said those words to Dave, Dave probably knew his days in the band were numbered.

evsgjamm · October 2013

CDFish wrote:

I will admit, I used to hate guns. Since becoming a mother 5.5 years ago my stance has changed. Maybe it's also because I am older and less naive, but this is a messed up world we live in. My quiet, suburban town has become a place where drug addicts come to break into cars, homes, and businesses in order to support their habits. I should feel safe in my home when i go to sleep at night, with the doors locked, but unfortunately that is not the case. Criminals and others who intend to inflict harm will always find a way to get guns, no matter how harsh the laws. The city of Chicago has some of the toughest laws in the country and the people there are still killing each other, in record numbers. There should be harsher penalties for the PEOPLE who commit any sort of crime with a gun, whether or not they use it or merely possess it. I'm not opposed to more thorough background checks, for everyone living in the household with a gun. That being said, I still love Pearl Jam and respect their opinions on issues. No one said we all have to agree!

Good post.

It_Wasnt_My_Surface · October 2013

CitizenRick wrote:

-- Say's the future irresponsible gun owner.

Who are you gonna shoot dude? You watch too many Marky Mark movies. Whatever. Saddle up cowboy.

Please don't bring Marky Mark into this argument. He is a national treasure.

Mortality · October 2013

Pearl Jam_ie wrote:

It sounds like we need to legalize heroin, coke, and meth then, right? People are getting it anyways, so why not legalize the shit. Seems like it could cut down on gun violence too...

You're on to something and don't even realize it. Prohibition has been a proven failure for every human taken substance. Laws only stop one type of person, law abiding citizens. Everything that is outlawed is only taken out of the hands of obeying people. The argument is that making these things (guns, drugs) illegal essentially puts the entire stock of those items in the hands of outlaws.
The big argument against gun laws is not so people can shoot intruding criminals, but the absence of a gun law is a criminal deterrent. If criminals are in an area (say farm country or say Vermont where I live) where they know 99 percent of the law abiding citizens have a deadly weapon in their home, they are unlikely to invade, hence close to no home invasions in Vermont. Now if you are a criminal who disregards the law (and have a gun) in a strict gun law area like Chicago, you know you can invade a rich law abiding citizens home without the chance of being shot down. Lenient gun laws scare the shit out of criminals and that is what most (liberal) people miss. I'm not saying I am conservative, just that fellow liberals fail to see this very important point.

PJ_Soul · October 2013

I am so sick of all this "responsible gun owner" bullshit.

Newflash - WHO CARES?? I don't give a shit how responsible gun owners may be. Guns still fucking suck, and people suck for owning them unless they live out in the country and need it to protect livestock or something, or they actually can't afford food at the grocery store and need to hunt for it in order to eat.

coco butter · October 2013

Is anyone against Eddie throwing an AXE into a tree on his land with children around?

I guess Eddie is a very responsible AXE thrower.

Not for guns but he is using a dangerous weapon and I'm sure he's done it having a few Coronas. Just saying.

PJ_Soul · October 2013

coco butter wrote:

Is anyone against Eddie throwing an AXE into a tree on his land with children around?

I guess Eddie is a very responsible AXE thrower.

Not for guns but he is using a dangerous weapon and I'm sure he's done it having a few Coronas. Just saying.

An ax isn't a weapon. It's a tool for cutting wood. People can also hurt other with their own feet, but that doesn't mean that feet should be compared to guns, come on. :roll: This kind of comparison has been done to death, and it never works.

Kathi · October 2013

Pearl Jam_ie wrote:

In Wisconsin, thanks to the Governor and his constituents, we now have open carry laws. At first, I was sort of indifferent about it. Now I've come to realize just how ignorant and paranoid the gun nuts are. Here's a video of some guys that got checked by a cop for openly carrying weapons in downtown Green Bay. One of them is carrying an semi-automatic AR-15 and one has a shot gun. Please note that this is perfectly legal for them to do here, but...really? Who the fuck carries an assault rifle with them, in the middle of the day, in Green Bay Wisconsin, while on their way to get lunch?!

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/201 ... 310090229/

I'm not sure whether this makes me laugh or cry. Little bit of both probably.
Seems like visiting a hot dog stand is dangerous business.

coco butter · October 2013

PJ_Soul wrote:

coco butter wrote:

Is anyone against Eddie throwing an AXE into a tree on his land with children around?

I guess Eddie is a very responsible AXE thrower.

Not for guns but he is using a dangerous weapon and I'm sure he's done it having a few Coronas. Just saying.

An ax isn't a weapon. It's a tool for cutting wood. People can also hurt other with their own feet, but that doesn't mean that feet should be compared to guns, come on. :roll: This kind of comparison has been done to death, and it never works.

An Axe can be used as a weapon and has been for hundreds or years.

dimitrispearljam · October 2013

A gun is a normally tubular weapon,a weapon, arm, or armament is any device used in order to inflict damage or harm to living beings, structures, or systems.

PJ_Soul · October 2013

coco butter wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

coco butter wrote:

Is anyone against Eddie throwing an AXE into a tree on his land with children around?

I guess Eddie is a very responsible AXE thrower.

Not for guns but he is using a dangerous weapon and I'm sure he's done it having a few Coronas. Just saying.

An ax isn't a weapon. It's a tool for cutting wood. People can also hurt other with their own feet, but that doesn't mean that feet should be compared to guns, come on. :roll: This kind of comparison has been done to death, and it never works.

An Axe can be used as a weapon and has been for hundreds or years.

I realize that an ax can be used for a weapon. That is not what they're for (anymore). They are necessary tools for chopping wood, or for a throwing game, in EV's case. He does not own an ax for a weapon. NO gun owner can make that claim. The ONLY thing that guns are for is shooting things. It IS a weapon, and that's WHY people own them. A fork can be used as a weapon too. So can a billiard ball. That doesn't make them comparable to guns.

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