Dear Ed, There is a such thing as a Responsible Gun Owner...

RoleModelsinBlood31

Marcus Maximus wrote:

mcgruff10 wrote:

Marcus Maximus wrote:

When american's finally decide to get rid of guns then it will be a saver country, why is a country so stuck on a piece of paper wrote 300 odd years ago, same with the loons who follow the bible word for word. Why like your life dedicated to old doctrine that suited a time and place. Does it not make sense to evaluate modern society and base laws on that.

it's called an amendment. there's 27 of them. and ireland is the the model of non-violence. I heard londonderry (or derry) has always been a quiet peaceful place.

Yea and they are draconian you are living by rules made 300 years ago, thats daft, It'a derry to man and using that as an example shows how little you know about the troubles. In the 40 years of war in the north 3000 people died compare that with america in 2012 where 10,078 people died via guns. The deaths by guns in ireland since we have had peace is double figures yearly so you tell me which country has matured, there was a political violent war here.

Dude Ireland has like 4.5 million people in it. The us has around 315 million I think. Ireland is our toenail. You can't compare anything from Ireland to the us, sorry.

Ledbetterman10

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Ledbetterman10

One comment on hunters: They're not sportsman. You ever that term? Sportsman. Peyton Manning is a sportsman. You're shooting animals is what you're doing. And that's fine with me. My buddy kills deer all the time and serves us up the dear meat on football Sundays and it's delicious. And the less deer there are to run out in the middle of the road while I'm driving the better. But it's not a sport. If the deer had a gun too, that'd be a sport. A bunch of hunters in the woods shooting at each other....that'd be a sport. But shooting animals is just that: shooting animals. It's not a sport.

EarlWelsh

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

One comment on hunters: They're not sportsman. You ever that phrase? Sportsman. Peyton Manning is a sportsman. You're shooting animals is what you're doing. And that's fine with me. My buddy kills deer all the time and serves us up the dear meat on football Sundays and it's delicious. And the less deer there are to run out in the middle of the road while I'm driving the better. But it's not a sport. If the deer had a gun too, that'd be a sport. A bunch of hunters in the woods shooting at each other....that'd be a sport. But shooting animals is just that: shooting animals. It's not a sport.

Truth.

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Hugh Freaking Dillon

fox_mulderX wrote:

Do scared people by guns or do guns create scared people? Every argument I read/hear, gun owners always state the gun is for protection. Protection from what? The British? Home invaders? The Taliban? What's with this fear mongering mentality in the United States? I'm not opposed to guns; I actually think they're pretty cool. I'd love to be a WW2 gun collector, but I don't have the money. I just don't understand this whole 'protection' argument, probably because I don't fully believe it. Deep down, I believe people own guns because it makes them feel like a 'big guy'; except no one will admit to that so they hide behind the 'protection' line to sound less aggressive.

this comment bears repeating.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

One comment on hunters: They're not sportsman. You ever that term? Sportsman. Peyton Manning is a sportsman. You're shooting animals is what you're doing. And that's fine with me. My buddy kills deer all the time and serves us up the dear meat on football Sundays and it's delicious. And the less deer there are to run out in the middle of the road while I'm driving the better. But it's not a sport. If the deer had a gun too, that'd be a sport. A bunch of hunters in the woods shooting at each other....that'd be a sport. But shooting animals is just that: shooting animals. It's not a sport.

:clap:

lcusick

fortyshades wrote:

DevonPearl wrote:

Trade guns for bikes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKCZaieCwEw

Not to be a hippie, but trade guns with flowers... Make love not war etc. etc. etc. And lets face it, the first is much more fun than the latter.

+1

Marcus Maximus

RoleModelsinBlood31 wrote:

mcgruff10 wrote:

Marcus Maximus wrote:

When american's finally decide to get rid of guns then it will be a saver country, why is a country so stuck on a piece of paper wrote 300 odd years ago, same with the loons who follow the bible word for word. Why like your life dedicated to old doctrine that suited a time and place. Does it not make sense to evaluate modern society and base laws on that.

it's called an amendment. there's 27 of them. and ireland is the the model of non-violence. I heard londonderry (or derry) has always been a quiet peaceful place.

Yea and they are draconian you are living by rules made 300 years ago, thats daft, It'a derry to man and using that as an example shows how little you know about the troubles. In the 40 years of war in the north 3000 people died compare that with america in 2012 where 10,078 people died via guns. The deaths by guns in ireland since we have had peace is double figures yearly so you tell me which country has matured, there was a political violent war here.

Dude Ireland has like 4.5 million people in it. The us has around 315 million I think. Ireland is our toenail. You can't compare anything from Ireland to the us, sorry.[/quote]


Ireland is 'your' nothing for a start you don't claim ownership on it, I was relying to a posted who said Ireland was a violent place it was only violent due to a war since that has stopped there has been very few gun deaths yearly

marcos

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

One comment on hunters: They're not sportsman. You ever that term? Sportsman. Peyton Manning is a sportsman. You're shooting animals is what you're doing. And that's fine with me. My buddy kills deer all the time and serves us up the dear meat on football Sundays and it's delicious. And the less deer there are to run out in the middle of the road while I'm driving the better. But it's not a sport. If the deer had a gun too, that'd be a sport. A bunch of hunters in the woods shooting at each other....that'd be a sport. But shooting animals is just that: shooting animals. It's not a sport.

We once had a long debate about what constitutes a sport and I agree there needs to a more competitive element based on an individual's skill. Neither is fishing is what we agreed upon. But couldn't come to an agreement as far as race car driving and bowling.

I loved Ed's statement as I live in the city and worked in the criminal justice system, but I could see why people that live in the country might be offended. There's just way too much gun violence in the cities now is all and he's a deep person that is concerned about all lives. The other side has said & done far worse.

DewieCox

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

One comment on hunters: They're not sportsman. You ever that term? Sportsman. Peyton Manning is a sportsman. You're shooting animals is what you're doing. And that's fine with me. My buddy kills deer all the time and serves us up the dear meat on football Sundays and it's delicious. And the less deer there are to run out in the middle of the road while I'm driving the better. But it's not a sport. If the deer had a gun too, that'd be a sport. A bunch of hunters in the woods shooting at each other....that'd be a sport. But shooting animals is just that: shooting animals. It's not a sport.

Peyton Manning is an athlete and a sportsman.

When people say "sportsmen" they are using it appropriately, going by the definition of sport, which is nothing more than a recreational activity.

Not sure where or when the term started referring to hunters/fisherman, but I'd guess it probably started with target shooters.

Wobbie

Whywhyzed wrote:

I can't believe i'm posting in this thread (ibtl?) but I'm pretty sure Ed was talking about the legislators who are steadfastly blocking any discussion of gun legislation despite the overwhelming support for it in the general public. Not Joe Schmoe with his pistol under his pillow "for protection".

agreed. ed knows there are responsible gun owners. he and I have a problem with the NRA and the dipshits who think an assault weapons ban = obama and the liberals want to take (all) our guns away.

curmudgeoness

DewieCox wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

One comment on hunters: They're not sportsman. You ever that term? Sportsman. Peyton Manning is a sportsman. You're shooting animals is what you're doing. And that's fine with me. My buddy kills deer all the time and serves us up the dear meat on football Sundays and it's delicious. And the less deer there are to run out in the middle of the road while I'm driving the better. But it's not a sport. If the deer had a gun too, that'd be a sport. A bunch of hunters in the woods shooting at each other....that'd be a sport. But shooting animals is just that: shooting animals. It's not a sport.

Peyton Manning is an athlete and a sportsman.

When people say "sportsmen" they are using it appropriately, going by the definition of sport, which is nothing more than a recreational activity.

DewieCox is correct. Hunters are not athletes, but they are sportsmen.

I kind of feel that hunting is a separate issue from the rest of the gun discussion happening here (on the Porch?!?). It's something of a cultural thing, meaning if you have grown up with it, it's not a big deal. My husband and I both grew up in areas where the first day of bow season and the first day of deer (gun) season were school holidays. I'm not keen on hunting myself, but it serves a purpose.

I live in rural New Jersey. We joke that all of the smart deer moved here from Pennsylvania, because of the difference in gun laws. In our area, there are more deer than humans. Here's the thing: when you have too many deer, you have a problem. Deer are like giant, four-legged, tick-ridden locusts. They will eat anything except barberry -- there is no such thing as a deer-proof plant where we live. They have no fear of humans; I go for a run in my neighborhood and the deer stand by the side of the road trying to stare me down. I've seen bucks in the fall walk right up to people out doing yardwork(!). We regularly have 12-15 deer camped out in our yard, destroying everything they can reach. And then there are the car accidents and the ticks.

Growing up in areas where hunting was popular, my husband and I never saw such herds of deer, but where we live in New Jersey, deer are more common than squirrels.

McNairn

We have a mere 35 million people up here in Canada. In my 43 years I have never even seen a real handgun, nor known anyone who has been shot even accidentally by a gun.
We don't have homes broken into by gun robbers, and I literally NEVER even THINK about the possibility of anyone I ever see posessing a gun while I am anywhere in my entire country.
I am not the least bit threatened in my home or tempted in any way to get a gun to protect myself or my family.
I have shot a rifle and a pellet gun and have nothing against these or against hunting for meat.
I am just saying that having no handguns or assault rifles around is a good way to live and doesn't lead to anarchy.
You guys should seriously consider it.

PureandEasy

C'mon IS, you HAVE been here a long time, you know Ed doesn't wish harm.

Ugh

Cropsmoker

I agree with the OP


Hey Ed.... is it ok for your bodyguard to have a gun but not me?

EarlWelsh

Cropsmoker wrote:

I agree with the OP


Hey Ed.... is it ok for your bodyguard to have a gun but not me?

Then you have also misinterpreted what Ed is saying.

PJ_Soul

McNairn wrote:

We have a mere 35 million people up here in Canada. In my 43 years I have never even seen a real handgun, nor known anyone who has been shot even accidentally by a gun.
We don't have homes broken into by gun robbers, and I literally NEVER even THINK about the possibility of anyone I ever see posessing a gun while I am anywhere in my entire country.
I am not the least bit threatened in my home or tempted in any way to get a gun to protect myself or my family.
I have shot a rifle and a pellet gun and have nothing against these or against hunting for meat.
I am just saying that having no handguns or assault rifles around is a good way to live and doesn't lead to anarchy.
You guys should seriously consider it.

Definitely my experience in Canada as well. I did see someone with a handgun once at a camping ground, but everyone was completely horrified. The guy who had it was a complete pariah, and everyone was scared of him because most people here who are safe and sane don't have them (he was also weird).... most people who aren't sane and safe don't have them either! it's just an completely different mindset up here.

mcgruff10

it's called an amendment. there's 27 of them. and ireland is the the model of non-violence. I heard londonderry (or derry) has always been a quiet peaceful place.[/quote]

Yea and they are draconian you are living by rules made 300 years ago, thats daft, It'a derry to man and using that as an example shows how little you know about the troubles. In the 40 years of war in the north 3000 people died compare that with america in 2012 where 10,078 people died via guns. The deaths by guns in ireland since we have had peace is double figures yearly so you tell me which country has matured, there was a political violent war here.[/quote]

you realize we live in a country of more than 300 million people. no system of back ground checks or flags can be perfect. no matter what, people who shouldn't have guns get them. it's the 1% that ruin it for the rest of us.

So the United States lives by a document that was created in the late 1700's...it's not perfect but it is a living breathing document that can be changed as time progresses. I couldn't be prouder of the freedoms we have in this country. When is the last time the world looked upon the leadership of Ireland to lead through any sort of crisis? You might not like our laws and our constitution but be it republican or democrat, we have the greatest country in the world. People are jealous of it and die to try to get here.

and derry is officialy Londonderry. We both know it's officially in northern ireland. Trust me, I know about the "troubles" that occured in Ireland. I guess the troubles are over huh? http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eur ... story.html

Hugh Freaking Dillon

PJ_Soul wrote:

McNairn wrote:

We have a mere 35 million people up here in Canada. In my 43 years I have never even seen a real handgun, nor known anyone who has been shot even accidentally by a gun.
We don't have homes broken into by gun robbers, and I literally NEVER even THINK about the possibility of anyone I ever see posessing a gun while I am anywhere in my entire country.
I am not the least bit threatened in my home or tempted in any way to get a gun to protect myself or my family.
I have shot a rifle and a pellet gun and have nothing against these or against hunting for meat.
I am just saying that having no handguns or assault rifles around is a good way to live and doesn't lead to anarchy.
You guys should seriously consider it.

Definitely my experience in Canada as well. I did see someone with a handgun once at a camping ground, but everyone was completely horrified. The guy who had it was a complete pariah, and everyone was scared of him because most people here who are safe and sane don't have them (he was also weird).... most people who aren't sane and safe don't have them either! it's just an completely different mindset up here.

I have buddies who hunt. they have rifles. I don't know anyone with a handgun. Nor have I even ever seen one in person. I have no fear of encountering someone with a handgun. Darwin forbid a semi-automatic. It just doesn't happen up here. One friend of mine was stabbed once. But I've never seen a gun.