Obamacare

Gern Blansten · September 2013

Another real life example...

http://www.indystar.com/article/2013090 ... ive-months

Kenneth Dale Low’s heart condition was bad enough that his doctor decided he needed a pacemaker to correct it.

Problem was, according to a lawsuit, that Low’s insurance company, Indianapolis-based Anthem, disagreed with his doctors that a pacemaker was the right treatment. The doctors went back and forth with Anthem for nearly five months before the insurer agreed to pay for it. But eight days after the approval was granted — three days before the surgery — Kenneth Dale Low died.

ajedigecko · September 2013

The unions that strongly supportted ocare...now strongly oppose it?

This will be interesting to watch unfold.

ajedigecko · September 2013

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whit ... -obamacare

unfolding.

BinFrog · September 2013

ajedigecko wrote:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2013/09/12/nbc-cbs-fail-cover-afl-cios-impassioned-rejection-obamacare

unfolding.

Lol....News Busters.

ajedigecko · September 2013

BinFrog wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2013/09/12/nbc-cbs-fail-cover-afl-cios-impassioned-rejection-obamacare

unfolding.

Lol....News Busters.

giggle...huffingtonpost

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/2 ... 90548.html

regardless of source...if it is truth....it is truth.

BinFrog · September 2013

ajedigecko wrote:

BinFrog wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2013/09/12/nbc-cbs-fail-cover-afl-cios-impassioned-rejection-obamacare

unfolding.

Lol....News Busters.

giggle...huffingtonpost

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/2 ... 90548.html

regardless of source...if it is truth....it is truth.

you do realize of course, because I'm sure you read both thoroughly and comprehended them, that they are discussing 2 fairly separate stories right?

ajedigecko · September 2013

Busted...i did not read the huff repot.

ldent42 · September 2013

I have to decide by the end of this month if I want to sign up for the student health insurance offered by my school for approx 25% of my income, or if I want to wait and take a gamble with the new insurance exchanges. I tried to find out more about costs and coverage with the plans that are going to be offered on the exchanges but I couldn't find anything. Does anyone know where the Obamacare plans are actually listed with the prices?

Prince Of Dorkness · September 2013

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

as i have stated before, if a company can not afford to give their employees appropriate benefits, such as those fought for and guaranteed by unions, then they have no business being in business.

Amen.

If your business can only survive by fucking over your employees, you're not a good businessperson and should go get a job at McDonald's.

Jason P · September 2013

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

as i have stated before, if a company can not afford to give their employees appropriate benefits, such as those fought for and guaranteed by unions, then they have no business being in business.

Amen.

If your business can only survive by fucking over your employees, you're not a good businessperson and should go get a job at McDonald's.

What is the healthcare plan in your biz?

ajedigecko · September 2013

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

as i have stated before, if a company can not afford to give their employees appropriate benefits, such as those fought for and guaranteed by unions, then they have no business being in business.

Amen.

If your business can only survive by fucking over your employees, you're not a good businessperson and should go get a job at McDonald's.

...or receive gov't bailout - because company is too big to fail.

Jason P · September 2013

Irony: AFL-CIO had their demands rejected by the Obama admin. Which will essentially end a majority of union healthcare plans according to the AFL-CIO.

Less water for the beak to seek.

EdsonNascimento · September 2013

duska3419 wrote:

I have to decide by the end of this month if I want to sign up for the student health insurance offered by my school for approx 25% of my income, or if I want to wait and take a gamble with the new insurance exchanges. I tried to find out more about costs and coverage with the plans that are going to be offered on the exchanges but I couldn't find anything. Does anyone know where the Obamacare plans are actually listed with the prices?

Are you a healthy 20 something? My advice is don't buy anything and get taxed the 1% penalty. It's cheaper, and you're still technically insured since you can't be turned away in case of emergency, which if you're relatively healthy is the only way you will be accessing the healthcare system anyway.

Go Beavers · September 2013

EdsonNascimento wrote:

duska3419 wrote:

I have to decide by the end of this month if I want to sign up for the student health insurance offered by my school for approx 25% of my income, or if I want to wait and take a gamble with the new insurance exchanges. I tried to find out more about costs and coverage with the plans that are going to be offered on the exchanges but I couldn't find anything. Does anyone know where the Obamacare plans are actually listed with the prices?

Are you a healthy 20 something? My advice is don't buy anything and get taxed the 1% penalty. It's cheaper, and you're still technically insured since you can't be turned away in case of emergency, which if you're relatively healthy is the only way you will be accessing the healthcare system anyway.

Go here and click on your state:

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-is-the-marketplace-in-my-state/

Because I'm not sure "can't be turned away" means "we won't send you a bill".

Prince Of Dorkness · September 2013

Jason P wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Amen.

If your business can only survive by fucking over your employees, you're not a good businessperson and should go get a job at McDonald's.

What is the healthcare plan in your biz?

Depends. Since I'm a salaried employee, the studio I work for has full PPO health insurance for all their full time employees and I think our part time employees have access to it although they have to pay part of the premium. Don't quote me on that. I'll have to look it up.

Some studios that have performers on full time contracts will do the same for their performers. Our performers are all working on contract basis that usually only lasts a few days tops. They're not covered by our health care plan.

Most of our performers have regular day jobs, though, so they're covered under their employer's plans.

Our families are covered by our health insurance, too.

Prince Of Dorkness · September 2013

EdsonNascimento wrote:

duska3419 wrote:

I have to decide by the end of this month if I want to sign up for the student health insurance offered by my school for approx 25% of my income, or if I want to wait and take a gamble with the new insurance exchanges. I tried to find out more about costs and coverage with the plans that are going to be offered on the exchanges but I couldn't find anything. Does anyone know where the Obamacare plans are actually listed with the prices?

Are you a healthy 20 something? My advice is don't buy anything and get taxed the 1% penalty. It's cheaper, and you're still technically insured since you can't be turned away in case of emergency, which if you're relatively healthy is the only way you will be accessing the healthcare system anyway.

This is horrible advice.

If you're in a car accident and have multiple broken bones, they have to stabilize you but that's it. They'll send you home disabled as long as you're not dead. As long as you're not dead, they can send you home with broken bones that aren't set.

Screening for things like Testicular cancer and other things that tend to strike younger people aren't done if you don't go to a doctor at least once per year. You need to get tested for things like STIs, high blood pressure, vitamin deficiencies and cholesterol levels.

You can't get cancer, multiple sclerosis and diabetes treated at an emergency room.

Besides... stop being a Tea Party Pooper and expect the rest of us to pay for your health care. Pay for it yourself. Show at least a BIT of personal responsibility and stop rounding down to the lower common denominator of "it's cheaper."

this is your health. "Better" is more desirable than "cheaper."

ldent42 · September 2013

Go Beavers wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

duska3419 wrote:

I have to decide by the end of this month if I want to sign up for the student health insurance offered by my school for approx 25% of my income, or if I want to wait and take a gamble with the new insurance exchanges. I tried to find out more about costs and coverage with the plans that are going to be offered on the exchanges but I couldn't find anything. Does anyone know where the Obamacare plans are actually listed with the prices?

Are you a healthy 20 something? My advice is don't buy anything and get taxed the 1% penalty. It's cheaper, and you're still technically insured since you can't be turned away in case of emergency, which if you're relatively healthy is the only way you will be accessing the healthcare system anyway.

Go here and click on your state:

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-is-the-marketplace-in-my-state/

Because I'm not sure "can't be turned away" means "we won't send you a bill".

Thanks for the link. Unfortunately it just re-directs back to the site I was already looking for answers on. But I appreciate the effort.

And to answer the question, I do need the health insurance. If I didn't I wouldn't be considering any of this and I'd be confused come tax time. Before I got laid off I had really good insurance but no time to go to the doctors, so even though I had the insurance I barely ever used it.

Prince Of Dorkness · September 2013

Go Beavers wrote:

Because I'm not sure "can't be turned away" means "we won't send you a bill".

They can't turn you away but they don't have to give you good treatment. If you can't pay for it, they just have to keep you from dying long enough to get you to leave.

Go Beavers · September 2013

duska3419 wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

Go here and click on your state:

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-is-the-marketplace-in-my-state/

Because I'm not sure "can't be turned away" means "we won't send you a bill".

Thanks for the link. Unfortunately it just re-directs back to the site I was already looking for answers on. But I appreciate the effort.

And to answer the question, I do need the health insurance. If I didn't I wouldn't be considering any of this and I'd be confused come tax time. Before I got laid off I had really good insurance but no time to go to the doctors, so even though I had the insurance I barely ever used it.

Some states are further along in the process than others. You should be able to get accurate numbers by October 1st.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · September 2013

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

Because I'm not sure "can't be turned away" means "we won't send you a bill".

They can't turn you away but they don't have to give you good treatment. If you can't pay for it, they just have to keep you from dying long enough to get you to leave.

There is some bleak imagery painted with this description. Is the Hippocratic Oath obsolete? In Canada... a person is found on the streets in need of serious medical attention... this person gets it without being chased afterwards for massive bills incurred.

I'm late to this discussion and have not read any of the previous posts, but I would suggest that public health and public education should be two staples of any society regardless of who benefits the most and who uses it the least.

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