Obamacare

unsung wrote:

Why should any company be required by government to bear an additional $100M in fees? These types of things will do three things, raise fares to out of control levels, reduce benefits, or cause a reduction in jobs. Obamacare is a job killer.

Or UPS is using this as some bullshit excuse to not provide the benefits promised to their employees. Considering the dividends they've payed out for the past 10 years have continued to rise, I don't think they can continue to blame a slow economy or even push Obamacare as the real reason they refuse to honor the benefits package promised - and UPS tells these employees they pay less but offer better benefits.

http://www.investors.ups.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=62900&p=irol-dividends


In other words, investors are more important than employees.

Gern Blansten wrote:

fife wrote:

i won't lie and say that everything is perfect with our health care system. there are lines for certain things and people do have to wait for help in the emergency rooms but it all depends on the emergency.

we have people in canada who would rather turn our health care system to be more like the American. the only thing i will say is that i have faced many serious health issues and my doctors have saved my life and to be honest i f i was in America I would have died or gone broke..

No system is perfect, that's a fact.

My sister in law was diagnosed with skin cancer a few years ago. Her doctor referred her to a specialist and she was told it would be six months before he could schedule surgery. Imagine having to live with a malignant tumor for that length of time. Luckily she was able to call around and get it done sooner but whenever I hear someone talk of lines in Canada I always remember her.

The issues that people opposed to "socialized" care tend to attribute to it are generally the same problems we have here. The only difference is that in the USA the insurance companies don't make money by providing care. They make money by denying it.

i guess it all depends, both my parents got their cancer treatment right away. i think it depends on numerous issues such as where you live etc.

Gern Blansten wrote:

fife wrote:

unsung wrote:

A very large portion of the population doesn't believe in letting the government run their healthcare. There are those of us that want less government intrusion.

just a quick question. what do you mean by saying "run their healthcare"? do youmean the government making decision about what is done to you or do you just mean the governemt taking the payment over?

I live in Canada and not once has my government told my doctor what things to do and that goes down to all my family members and other that I know.

You're from Canada? You can probably tell us about the horrible lines and waiting lists for procedures then. That's usually the first thing out of a conservatives mouth when Canada is mentioned alongside health care.

don't kid yourself ... the waits for elective surgery can be long, ER is generally a long wait, a lot also depends where you live ... if you live in more densely populated area you stand a better chance of having a family doctor which should eliminate the need for ER visits for common ailments. If you live in a less densely populated area healthcare can be a nightmare and can really be frustrating. The community I lived in 6 years ago only had 1 walk-in clinic and all family doctors had closed practices, my parents still live there and their doctor passed away 2 years ago and have been unable to obtain another doctor ... the community still has only 1 walk-in clinic and and 1 emergency department so waits at the ER easily can run 4 or more hours with the clinic being a little better. So far no one has found a solution that seems to work, Canada is kinda in tough because many doctors and especially specialist choose to work in the states, nurses do as well. Our system is just patched together, healthcare isn't even close to equal going community to community ... but if you get really sick you are taken no matter where yo live.

Gern Blansten wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

don't kid yourself ... the waits for elective surgery can be long, ER is generally a long wait, a lot also depends where you live ... if you live in more densely populated area you stand a better chance of having a family doctor which should eliminate the need for ER visits for common ailments. If you live in a less densely populated area healthcare can be a nightmare and can really be frustrating. The community I lived in 6 years ago only had 1 walk-in clinic and all family doctors had closed practices, my parents still live there and their doctor passed away 2 years ago and have been unable to obtain another doctor ... the community still has only 1 walk-in clinic and and 1 emergency department so waits at the ER easily can run 4 or more hours with the clinic being a little better. So far no one has found a solution that seems to work, Canada is kinda in tough because many doctors and especially specialist choose to work in the states, nurses do as well. Our system is just patched together, healthcare isn't even close to equal going community to community ... but if you get really sick you are taken no matter where yo live.

Just like in the USA. Not equal community to community.

I bet you never have to argue with an insurance company to pay your bill.....like never

your right, dealing with an insurance company is not an issue ... just pointing out that our system is far from perfect and I am doubtful it will improve much over the years.

otter wrote:

This law is switching the power (in a super small way) from insurance companies to the federal government. A very tiny transfer is about to happen. But this switch will empower the insurance companies to charge more giving the fed more political advantage.

The solution is the opposite of what is happening....LESS GOVERNMENT INFLUENCE.

If you really care about your fellow humans you would support less government, obviously.

so you are telling me that people who think universal health care (which i know this is not even close to) is a good ideas don't care about other human beings?

can you explain this further?

Everyone knows who's fighting nationalized hc in the us the hardest right? Have you seen the Medicaid and Medicare fee schedules for providers?

Very hard to argue with providers who are not making enough to pay off their college loans servicing Govt program patients.

You only solve the problem by TAKING CARE of patients. Whoever above said ins co make money by denying care listens to the media too much. That's a very short term method of being profitable.

The best way is to help patients avoid preventable exacerbations of their chronic morbidities. And good managed care entitities do just that. The Govt (NO Govt) can do that.

Lowering provider fees is lose lose lose. Facilities need to be reigned in and (Good) Managed Care Companies need to be empowered.

Gern Blansten wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Everyone knows who's fighting nationalized hc in the us the hardest right? Have you seen the Medicaid and Medicare fee schedules for providers?

Very hard to argue with providers who are not making enough to pay off their college loans servicing Govt program patients.

You only solve the problem by TAKING CARE of patients. Whoever above said ins co make money by denying care listens to the media too much. That's a very short term method of being profitable.

The best way is to help patients avoid preventable exacerbations of their chronic morbidities. And good managed care entitities do just that. The Govt (NO Govt) can do that.

Lowering provider fees is lose lose lose. Facilities need to be reigned in and (Good) Managed Care Companies need to be empowered.

WRONG

An insurance company collects premiums. It keeps more money in its pocket by denying care as much as possible. Taking care of patients is not their role...that's the doctor's role.

in theory (and media), you are correct. In the real world you are not. If you've seen the statistics based on AHRQ's Prevention Quality Indicators and how doctors and hospitals are doing, you'd know otherwise.

Hospitals are where folks go to get sick, and it's not worth doctors time to see their own patients there.

You should probabaly stop getting your news and facts from the media.

Logically, why would we have even needed HMOs and the like in the first place if doctors were handling their business under indemnity plans?